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Ha ha this is the most nakedly honest stuff I’ve seen in a long time.. This dude’s a good kat.. And 20 years younger than I am.
If it comforts anyone here I’ve actually met and gotten to know some those musos we put on pedestals and in most cases, it hasn’t been pretty. I’d rather have a beer w Davey Poo anytime
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How'd you meet them people?Are you the comedian/rapper guy?
Yeah but I’m primarily a jazz musician (drummer and some piano) and I’ve met them too. Just remember , all too often what the good Lord metes out in one area , he often shortchanges in others. Those people aren’t necessarily versions of you plus something else ... They’re deficient . Note their divorces and self destruction.. They’re human with foibles and small in so many other ways.
And I never did comedy until my mid 40’s .
That's admirable. I believe Rodney Dangerfield gotvinto standup real late as well. I've always been a late bloomer myself in regards to certain things.
I like to believe that most people who are well-known for whatever it is they're recognized for, are not doing what they had originally set out to do. Instead they managed to recognize certain skills they have developed along their original quest, and figured out a way to modify and apply them to current times.
You know what’s funny though(pun not intended)? Sometimes it’s the outside world that brings it out rather than our inner world. I was chatting up this bird at a bar and she told me I was funny and if I could get three minutes of material together, she knew this famous club owner in LA. So I did it , not knowing that I could . But there was a downside too in that I was too old to be a new comedian business wise. Like Daveypoo was saying , there are those realities to contend with .
My only disagreement in the video was the emphasis on “what makes you happy” , because “what makes you happy “ can so often impede your growth as a person and your life . “What makes you happy “ ofttimes tirns involves an ongoing euphoric addiction of sorts. You know what made my dad happy in the 50’s and 60’s? Watching every version of the news. 6 o’clock, 7’o clock , 10 and 11 o’clock news to the point of him not being present for me. He escaped into it in a trance-like state and that’s what music can be for so many of us as well as a way to cope and compensate . Does that mean we should stop? Of course not. But we have to be vigilant of ourselves just the same especially if there are other people in our lives.
Appreciate @Daveypoo’s video and also agree with @Telstar5 here. If music is our creative outlet/escape and we have a day job, then how much time does that leave for our spouse/family? Don’t want to suffer the collateral damage of a famous musician without actually having been one. 😂
Great video @Daveypoo ! 👍
Just realized that I haven’t subscribed to your channel yet. Now it’s done! 😊
Never meet your idols. The key to success in most fields is usually unshakable single minded determination. That tends to push other more sociable qualities aside and leads to some severe personality deficiencies. Happily, I have met one or two exceptions...
I can't remember ever idolising anyone and always saw them as older peers to 'possibly' learn/get inspiration from.
I think it would be silly to aspire to go join the teenage/early 20's compendium of rising stars that burn at that rate. The creative metabolism generally slows down with age which is not to say that it is less valid. Life does get more complicated though and unless one manages to maintain creative work ethic despite family/kids/career, it can easily be game over.
My job is light and music related yet I still find myself zombiefied at the end of the day with kids school and activity runs.
That's just the beginning without even considering trying to 'make it' or fit in that world.
Anyways, this is just the initial thoughts after reading the thread. Will watch the vid tonight.
Most of the 'famous' musicians I've met have been ok actually. I guess they weren't in that big time league, more niche, so maybe that's why they're generally very apreciative of any attention or support they get.
In fact nearly all of them have bought me a pint.
Although I'm from a different generation I find this a brave message with a very good signal! Don't let the fun of music making take away.
The only thing I want to remark is that I started to make music because I wanted to become a rockstar and have girls, girls and girls
Thanks, @Daveypoo , as part of your established demographic, I needed to hear that! I'm sure if I ever finished and released my "personal collection" of songs, I'd be famous... but do I really want that at this point in life? Sounds like a hassle...
So I’ve watched it now...after 6 hours of walking around Munich zoo in 0’C.
I do agree that experience of musiking is personal and the more free from hungups it is the better. However I also recognise that often it is quite complex and ego, external validation etc play important roles as well. Personally I find that I’m at the most productive when I get in the zone and just work...but there comes the time where I need a validation from external world. That’s where live performance comes into play. The funny thing is that I find that often the live performance is actually the most disappointing bit, more often than not because of the shit sound on stage and technical issues which then influence the energy and audience response feeding back negatively onto me. The controlled environment of a home studio when recording a live video will almost always trump the ‘real’ live.
Going back on topic. I think pondering on it, yet totally ignoring age, and other things like that is probably the best modus operandi. Just stay in the zone, on target, be strong, take criticism on board but don’t let it rock your boat. It’s all part of the process, whether you’re just noodling in your bedroom or playing big shiny stages. Your first gig in a local pub will feel more scary than somebody else’s 100th performance in front of 5k crowd.
Thanks for all the great thoughts, everyone! Glad to have started a conversation here. We all have different personal needs that we're filling with our music making, I just hope that others who are struggling with "perceptions of musicality" while growing older found this helpful.
I may be a lot younger but this thread resonates. Greatly appreciate when people share real shit man. Great comments so far. Very timely for me.
We’re all not so different. Through sharing you find comfort and inspiration in parallels. Is Aging any more or less distracting as youthful inexperience, wreckless and directionless ambition?
I love hearing stories like the recently departed Anthony Bourdain finding so much success and passion well into mid age. Unfortunate it wasn’t enough to live for. Perhaps it was enough, so much it was to die for. What is enough anyway? What is fulfillment, Success? Fleeting at any rate no doubt.
Journey. And those cool fellas and gals you meet along the way. No doubt.✌🏾
Totaly my struggle too until I go in and start tweaking the mixes on my old tracks, editing out the rough patches only to find nothing remains by the end.
McCartney never thought he was as good as Lennon, and Lennon never thought he was as good as McCartney (despite how they portrayed themselves). Think how much great music we would’ve missed had they not both been insecure....and competitive
Great video Dave!
I’m in the demographic - near the top end actually. Great video sir.
I am the 43 year old pup in the old timers club. For me any ideas I had of ‘making it’ with music pretty much died when Napster was born. Even before then with BBSes and the Amiga I felt that digitising audio would spell the doom of the album sales so I could never get too distracted with delusions of grandeur from what I simply loved, which was making music, cans on, for my own pleasure. Others enjoying it was always a bonus but not required. Even just a couple peers apreciating it for what it is (amatuer noodelings) every few years when I crawl out of my cave has always been enough fuel to go on. Even if I could hit the most amazing heights of music combined with appropriate imagery there isn’t any business model I could even concieve of that is motivating in that direction.
PS. This is a great book that swims these waters, I am sure most of you are familiar with it... ‘Outliers by Malcolm Gladwell’
https://bit.ly/2BRCe22
Hardehaha, Dave. I am as close to your demographic as Saturn is to Pluto, it seems. Your demographic doesn't even go to the outer edges of space my little personal probe has reached. So maybe I can shed some cold light on the good things you have said in your heartwarming vid.
Firstly, if you take a look at the animation I just posted re Schroedinger's cat you will understand that we are just a range of probabilities until we blink. If you think anyone is something, think again. A rock star, popping in and out of existence in the murky backwater of a nondescript Galaxy. A shadow flitting in the light of a dying third rate star.... Give me a break.
Imagine two ants, one famous and one not, traveling the same road. The famous ant rides a mile ahead in his classic Alpha Romeo Spider ( what else would an ant rock star drive?). He dines on the finest leaves and the infamous ant can't catch up and seems like his leaves are just shake (the infamous ant not realizing compared to human self propulsion that he is traveling around 500 miles an hour and can lift a thousand times his own weight). Well, the poor infamous ant is considering insecticide
because, as a great shrink once told me, "Compare and Despair".
And even though us humans crush ants, famous and infamous alike, unintentionally and without discrimination, this poor ant is killing himself to equal, surpass, put down, adore, deplore, or get close to Adam Ant, though of course, he never will, because God favors the famous and has exterminated 99% of the species on earth, usually in quite a cruel and sadistic manner (it's god's game after all and He likes to be on top). But I digress ( in a good cause... Perspective, which is what I am driving at here). Our beloved infamous ant is close to our hearts because he thinks himself a total loser ( don't you just want to gather him up in your arms and give him a good squish?) but the truth Is any ant's perception of winning and losing is only in relation to each other and simply irrelevant , because this road they are traveling is a million miles long and a million miles wide and two ants a mile apart and likely to be crushed at any moment by forces totally unaware of either's existence are simply of no consequence (after all, there are twenty five pounds of insects to each pound of human flesh on the planet). So as Bette Midler once sang, "Why botha?" It is a waste of your fucking time.
Secondly, and lastly ( you can breathe easy, I am almost done) let us put aside all the beauty and soulfulness being a being can be and get down to basics. What drives us to create, destroy, amass, erase, climb, procreate, get fat, become anorexic, fuck everybody one way or the other, start foundations, assassinate famous people, take drugs, get degrees, believe in God, seek political office or media fame, build tall structures, drive fast, jump out of planes, become a vegan, create mega corporations, think ourselves divine, eat our own babies ( yep, that one's been done a bunch, like the Jews did when the Romans besieged Jerusalem in 60 ACE, or was it when the Greeks laid into them? Anyway, it is not just the weirdos who eat each other), work ourselves to exhaustion, play ourselves to exhaustion, make music, watch tv, make war, try to protect our borders from the "others", gamble, hold seances and cleanse our colons? Why do we do all this crazy stuff??
Cause we are afraid of fucking dying. Every item mentioned above can be traced to this shitty conclusion. We must all die, but like Ole Man River, even the tired of livin' are afraid of dyin'. It is what makes us all the same. Successful and unsuccessful alike. Death and it's probable oblivion has led us to invent God, heaven and hell, Ferraris, iPads, RPGs, Scotch, and every other damn thing to divert us, comfort us, protect us ( and our kids, who we make so we can live on), destroy our enemies before they get us, inebriate us, glorify us, memorialize us, audiobus us, pleasure us, statusify us, selfie us, And any other us you can come up with including Jes-us. It is all to try to avert the Grim Reaper DAW.
D-E-A-T-H.... Don't Ever Attempt This at Home!!
Okay, so now you know, straight from the oldest, and closest to extinction, guy on the forum. So what is the take away?
Simply this: it is great to be alive no matter what the hell you are doing with your time. Good, better, best, bested, bad, badder, worse, worsted ( I like a good worsted myself, or a even a good wurst), This failure-success scale is irrelevant to one's feelings-peace,pain,contentment,dissatisfaction, loss, gain, fame, ignominy, mediocrity, historicity... No one out there, in the nearly infinite, gives a shit what you accomplish in this nano-blip of time called a life, so why should you?
I have spent my life making music ( maybe even original music). I doubt I have as many followers as our trusted Daveypoo. I recently sold my most precious possession, a hundred year old, immaculately expressive Steinway B. I live in beautiful but culturally divergent from me, authoritarian Istanbul, with a lovely woman to whom I am this sloppy unconscious creature lost in an iPad forum whom she unfortunately loves. My body is slowly failing, I have a hard time seeing, finances are tough and , Lordy, I'm agonna die! Haha! This life has been incomprehensibly fantastic. Wouldn't trade it for anything (course I would, make me an offer)... But think about it... Nobody reading this would want to trade places with this here septuagenarian husk and I don't blame you!
Your miserable little life is even more fantastic than mine! You love it! You love to hate it, just like you love to hate Apple. You love every bite of junk food, every shattered or fulfilled romance, every moment of bitching about why you never finish any music and every millisecond that music comes through in some way for you. We cannot escape duality just as we cannot escape our
Innocuous, inevitable and unnoticed ( by the universe) demise.
What we can get is that, as the monk who overheard the self enlightening butcher's answer to his customer's request for the best piece of meat... Why madam, every piece of meat I have is the best!,... what we can get is that it all is simply unbelievably, inconceivably fascinating , worthwhile ( but meaningless) and great. Billions of cells working together to get you out of bed in the morning just so you can enjoy that first cup of coffee. A hydraulic system that, tho it will ultimately collapse, can give you ( by your own hand, if necessary) the most indescribable pleasure. And I haven't even mentioned movies!
Bless you all. It is a glorious inglorious adventure. And you get to breathe a poisonous gas and love it. Happy New Year and may it all be good for you.
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...and that concludes the Audiobus Forum. Enjoy the rest of your life folks.
@LinearLineman You may have broken the internet with that post!
You are absolutely correct - we all fear death and that is the primary motivating factor in our lives. I was merely trying to contextualize that idea within my own struggle with music and musicality in the 21st century. The idea that "teachers don't do, they teach" is something that has always bothered me, since I (clearly) like to talk and impart info and have been told I'm good at it, but at the same time I still want to be an active music creater and performer. And I chose to have a family, and I have to pay for it all somehow, and, and, and...
In my quest to become as present and centered as I can, I need the constant reminder that what I'm chasing in life is all in my head, and I can either own IT, or it can own ME. Remembering to reconnect to the joy of music making simply for the sheer wonder of it all helps bring me back to the present again.
And it makes me feel better about being a big fat failure in the music industry and a giant disappointment to my parents.
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Hehe, my parents both had/have unfullfilled music dreams and I don’t even bother trying to communicate with them much about anything to do with music. In the end what I do is play with toys and cheating / computer music is garbage etc.
Dave, I didn't mean to disparage what you said in any way. I thought what you said was absolutely right on. As someone who became a "worldly" success and then a "worldly" failure (meaning I lost a bunch of money) I am saddened that you feel a failure at music while you are sharing so much with your fellow musicians ( most being miserable failures such as ourselves). Just who are you comparing yourself to? And why?
Strange, Amy Weinhouse and Frederic Chopin come to mind. Both reached the stratosphere and, like Icarus, were demolished in Shiva's gaiety. Is it really any good to them that they more or less live on in a limited western history that spans less than two hundred years and will surely be forgotten when the flood waters rise? I'm sure Fred would have given a prelude or two just to take a couple of good deep breaths. And Amy, well, if she hadn't met that bastard maybe everything would have worked out. It is not worth anything to be a successful dead person, which they all wind up being along with the so-called failures. It is only in the joy of living and appreciating that success may be garnered. Your children and wife love you? Bingo! You remember you are alive? You win the Oscar. The rest is transient debris.
Some eastern religions elevate the householder as a perfect way to enlightenment. They have families, live and work decently, and try to improve their spiritual selves. They are ordinary beings to the max. They are the foot soldiers without whom all is lost. Do we disappoint our parents? Do they disappoint us? Are you a reliable witness? Are they? When we are disappointed by others it is because we have expectations based on what? Our opinion of what one unconscious generation passes on to the next, our opinion of what matters.
Did your parents really know what mattered, Dave? I think not. They literally threw you, the baby, out with the bath water. Again, what the unconscious think of as success is a two dimensional, big titted love doll, ready to collapse under the weight of what inevitably arrives to deflate a hand me down value system passed on by shallow generations of dissatisfied wannabes. What did E.E. Cummings write.... "We are the hollow men". Not you, Dave. Not you. You said things of value and you were brave.
It is simply the divide between the abyss of unconsciousness and the glimmer of understanding. Glow little glow worm, glimmer, glimmer. All is well, Dave, just sorry I cannot open the pod bay doors for you. But you will do it yourself. You are almost there, I think. One or two more videos could do it. And letting go of a flawed dream. I admire you. That is just another opinion, but one, I believe, shared by quite a few here,
Hey - no offense taken, @LinearLineman . Your clarification is appreciated but not needed. The failure in this sense isn't a bad thing - I like my life and it wouldn't be what it is if I'd "made it". Old dreams can be hard to let go of, as impossible standards are to live up to. I'm glad the videos spark such thoughtful discourse and love hearing everyone's input/feedback!
Maybe you have more millennials watching than you think. I just watched. The oldest are something like 37-38 I believe. They used to call us Gen Y and then out of nowhere it was switched up. When I first heard the term millennial, I assumed that it was people 18-20 years old, only to find out that at 33 I’m a millennial... Gen Y was fine with me.
@LinearLineman Good energy there young man
It was Eliot of course with the hollow men business not cummings, but cummings would forgive you (T.S. probably not so much
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For the most part I like your thesis, but have to disagree about the death part. I would largely substitute ego instead of expiration, even down to the largest fear about death (apart from transitory pain) being a fear of being forgotten....anyway, details and opinions. The meat of it all is the incredible fortune we have to be the product of the one swimmer who docked, everything after that is to be savored (and sung about)....
Happy new year.