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Staying Valid as an Aging Musician - Daveypoo, The Mobile Music Minstrel

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  • edited December 2018

    Hey, @davypoo,

    Thank you so much for the video. It is easy to get overcome by doubt or ambition. Doing music because it is fun is a goal worthy of itself.

    And now I am thinking of the great spiritual advisor, Taylor Swift.

    Oh and Vulfpeck for "balance".

  • edited December 2018

    @Daveypoo said:
    Hey - no offense taken, @LinearLineman . Your clarification is appreciated but not needed. The failure in this sense isn't a bad thing - I like my life and it wouldn't be what it is if I'd "made it". Old dreams can be hard to let go of, as impossible standards are to live up to. I'm glad the videos spark such thoughtful discourse and love hearing everyone's input/feedback!

    Depends on your definition of ‘made it’. I was in a load of bands in my 20’s and 30’ then did very little musically (busy with kids, jobs etc.) for the next 10. For the last 10 I’ve been knocking out stuff like there’s no tomorrow, and having an outlet: Soundcloud, Bandcamp, YouTube etc. provides a sort of focus for what I do.

    For me, ‘made it’ means doing something I love, and if I can earn a modest income from it, even better. Since I earn very little from my day job, anything is a bonus. The plan for 2019 is to get a bit more serious with it all and try and earn a few quid, but the fact I have the equipment and time to do this stuff now means I’ve made it already anyway.

  • "being in the creative moment" :)

    yeah! exactly!

    at those times in my Life where "what's the beepin' point?" seemed to be my resting thought, artistic self expression has always come through

    other things have helped (breathwork, bodywork, affirmations, and of course Nature and it's bounties), but artistic self expression is my base :)

    and that is one of the reasons the ipad is such a wonderful instrument (for me) ... the sheer variety of expression and sound available from such a portable device ... makes it easy for the energy to move, getting those e-motions out there

  • edited December 2018

    Thanks for the correction @JohnnyGoodyear! Of course. Eliot. The Michaelangelo guy.
    You and I are amphibious brethren.

    You make a good point about the ego. But fear precedes the ego in evolution, I would think. The ego is in part an offshoot of fear. The getaway driver for the mob boss,, so to speak, that diverts and sublimates the fear of death into more attainable
    actions. The price is high, however. Whereas animals ( non humans, I mean) experience fear and pain, it usually ends at that. Nothing extra. But when the ego arrives another level is created.
    A reaction to pain and fear.... guilt, judgements, anger, upset. It is not enough we have pain, the ego creates a second layer of anguish and discomfort for having to experience it. Why me? When will it stop? I am so upset I am hurting! We pay for it twice. Animals, lacking an ego (for the most part) pay just once. They do not question pain or fear. They add nothing to it. We make a story up about it. That is imaginary and controllable and, if we apply consciousness, we can lessen our painful or fearful experience. But first one must realize it is happening.

    @JohnnyGoodyear, you are showing another side. You are going from abstruse to oblique. And even direct communication! We may be on the verge of a great loss!
    Don't abandon your carefully constructed ship. It has sailed you smoothly through rough seas and provides great "huh? wha?" entertainment! I suggest you stop the therapy immediately!😸🙏

  • Wow! Thanks so much for your kind thoughts, Daveypoo! I feel the same way. I have the same thoughts all the time. All I can say is — aside from paid work, for which I will drop anything — in between, I do it because I would go out of my mind if I didn’t!

    Beyond that… The industry has changed so much, in ways unimaginable back when I was a whippersnapper teenager dreaming of being like my rock-star idols. Fast forward to 2019… The ones that are still around are touring constantly… I can’t imagine keeping up with that at this age.. And most of them are like 15 years older than me! I’ll say this, anyone making a living in music at this point is working DAMN hard for it.

    In terms of “art for art’s sake” or your own personal best, or whatever.. In some ways, it’s never been better. No limitations. I’m free to experiment, explore any style, genre, no worries about labels, or radio stations, or really conventions of any kind… I can do a 1 min. track or a 15 min. track. I can release tracks as I finish them, or hold them back and organize them in to albums.

    But, most importantly, I can keep working on something till I get it right, even it it takes weeks, months, or even years! I completed two tracks this year, one started in 1996, and another originally written in 2000. That feels nice.

    Of course, too much freedom can have a downside. My best advice is, even though it’s easier and cheaper than ever to both create and distribute music, take advantage of that freedom to find out what you do best, and keep working on what you come up with until is the best that it can be — or until you just can’t stand it anymore! :-)

  • This was a nice change of pace from what I’m normally watching on here. It’s easy to feel like you haven’t reached your potential especially comparing yourself to others. I’d also recommend trying to create a path of small, easily approachable tasks to reach your end goal. One of the toughest challenges is figuring out what’s involved in reaching your goal. If you can’t break it down you’ll often find yourself feeling anxious and overwhelmed which leads to procrastination.

  • A creative person has little power over his own life. He is not free. He is captive and driven by his daimon. — C. G. Jung (“Memories, Dreams, Reflections”)

  • edited December 2018

    @LinearLineman said:
    Thanks for the correction @JohnnyGoodyear! Of course. Eliot. The Michaelangelo guy.
    You and I are amphibious brethren.

    You make a good point about the ego. But fear precedes the ego in evolution, I would think. The ego is in part an offshoot of fear. The getaway driver for the mob boss,, so to speak, that diverts and sublimates the fear of death into more attainable
    actions. The price is high, however. Whereas animals ( non humans, I mean) experience fear and pain, it usually ends at that. Nothing extra. But when the ego arrives another level is created.
    A reaction to pain and fear.... guilt, judgements, anger, upset. It is not enough we have pain, the ego creates a second layer of anguish and discomfort for having to experience it. Why me? When will it stop? I am so upset I am hurting! We pay for it twice. Animals, lacking an ego (for the most part) pay just once. They do not question pain or fear. They add nothing to it. We make a story up about it. That is imaginary and controllable and, if we apply consciousness, we can lessen our painful or fearful experience. But first one must realize it is happening.

    @JohnnyGoodyear, you are showing another side. You are going from abstruse to oblique. And even direct communication! We may be on the verge of a great loss!
    Don't abandon your carefully constructed ship. It has sailed you smoothly through rough seas and provides great "huh? wha?" entertainment! I suggest you stop the therapy immediately!😸🙏

    When I am forced to get my chip installed I want it to provide a constant flowing narration of your voice, which I assume sounds exactly like Morgan Freeman.

  • @Daveypoo said:
    @LinearLineman You may have broken the internet with that post!

    You are absolutely correct - we all fear death and that is the primary motivating factor in our lives. I was merely trying to contextualize that idea within my own struggle with music and musicality in the 21st century. The idea that "teachers don't do, they teach" is something that has always bothered me, since I (clearly) like to talk and impart info and have been told I'm good at it, but at the same time I still want to be an active music creater and performer. And I chose to have a family, and I have to pay for it all somehow, and, and, and...

    In my quest to become as present and centered as I can, I need the constant reminder that what I'm chasing in life is all in my head, and I can either own IT, or it can own ME. Remembering to reconnect to the joy of music making simply for the sheer wonder of it all helps bring me back to the present again.

    And it makes me feel better about being a big fat failure in the music industry and a giant disappointment to my parents.

    🤪

    I don’t fear death. Having no meaningful connection in my life is what concerns and motivates me. Creating music, such as it is, is one way I seek to do that. I would agree that we’re social animals with cultural expectations that strongly influence our behavior. I’m with E.O. Wilson when it comes to his answer to a question about what ethical lessons can we draw from ants with respect to human behavior?

    “Nothing”

    Though he does urge us to stop reflexively squishing ants as they have their role in the universe of which we’re all a part.

    We are drowning in information, while starving for wisdom. The world henceforth will be run by synthesizers, people able to put together the right information at the right time, think critically about it, and make important choices wisely.
    E.O. Wilson

  • @rezidue said:
    This was a nice change of pace from what I’m normally watching on here. It’s easy to feel like you haven’t reached your potential especially comparing yourself to others. I’d also recommend trying to create a path of small, easily approachable tasks to reach your end goal. One of the toughest challenges is figuring out what’s involved in reaching your goal. If you can’t break it down you’ll often find yourself feeling anxious and overwhelmed which leads to procrastination.

    Great points. For me I find defining a goal and keeping it from being too amorphous and slippery is my greatest issue these days. Help!

  • All great comments - I am frankly shocked that my throw-away video (because I couldn't think of anything musical to show off I kinds feel like I cheated by just blabbing to the camera...) has generated this much interest. Maybe I should wax poetic more often...

    I'm increasingly frustrated with Capitalism and all that has come from it (go with me here), and I feel like so much of this invisible pressure most musicians place on themselves is a result of this idea we Americans have propagated around the globe that everything has to be sold and bought. Things become product, and products get compared to other products, get marketed, need managers, create middle-men, etc which is what becomes this "music industry" we all love and hate. It has given us all the wonderful toys we make music on, but has also given us this idea that out product needs to be sellable.

    More and more I'm finding myself tired of being sold to everywhere I go, and I'm tired of fighting to have what I do be "good enough" by these same ever-evolving, invisible rules that I can't seem to keep track of. Reconnecting with that initial spark of doing it for the sheer joy of the act usually produces the best and most inspiring results anyway!

    So thank you all, for making me feel validated with all the comments and discussion here!

  • @Daveypoo said:
    All great comments - I am frankly shocked that my throw-away video (because I couldn't think of anything musical to show off I kinds feel like I cheated by just blabbing to the camera...) has generated this much interest. Maybe I should wax poetic more often...

    I'm increasingly frustrated with Capitalism and all that has come from it (go with me here), and I feel like so much of this invisible pressure most musicians place on themselves is a result of this idea we Americans have propagated around the globe that everything has to be sold and bought. Things become product, and products get compared to other products, get marketed, need managers, create middle-men, etc which is what becomes this "music industry" we all love and hate. It has given us all the wonderful toys we make music on, but has also given us this idea that out product needs to be sellable.

    More and more I'm finding myself tired of being sold to everywhere I go, and I'm tired of fighting to have what I do be "good enough" by these same ever-evolving, invisible rules that I can't seem to keep track of. Reconnecting with that initial spark of doing it for the sheer joy of the act usually produces the best and most inspiring results anyway!

    So thank you all, for making me feel validated with all the comments and discussion here!

    Dude, you should write a book about this, do a Kickstarter etc. ;)

  • Another good one, right on topic, posted just a few weeks ago. Not sure if @Orion is the one behind it? But it’s great.

  • @AudioGus, I am afraid it is more like Mogen David Freeman.
    But believe me, no one wants a constant flowing narration of my voice. Ask my wife! However, thanks for enjoying what I write. If I am a little short on wisdom at times I try to make up for it with entertainment value. I am fortunate in that often writing has been as creative as music for me. If anyone is interested, please pm me and I will send you a PDF of my somewhat Swiftian novel "Dogmerica". Just as funny as anything I have written here but not nearly as well read. One day this average dog, Picasso, wakes up to find all the human beans have vanished. They are simply gone, gone, gone!

    @InfoCheck, with respect it may not be so easy to die as one might imagine. Survival is so hard wired in us. Certainly a painful, terminal disease can give one courage, but I, too, have often thought the same as you. I am not afraid to die. In fact, I have realized it is very possible I may take my own life one day, when, as Seneca said, the misfortunes outweigh the good. I have considered it a lot!

    Recently I had surgery under anesthesia. Well, firstly, I was out like a light. Much sooner than I thought. Never even got beyond the door of my room in a conscious state ( so I remember). Next thing I knew I was awake and the echo of oblivion was powerful, and comforting! Of course I would never have known that feeling if it had continued. The release from my thoughts and cares, from any kind of responsibility, obligation, guilt, pain. Quite glorious in its absolute nothingness. Yet as I sit here writing to many unknown friends, I feel quite comfy with existence. Maybe it is my age...

    I've tasted most of what life offers and had my fair share of pleasures and adventures( former multimillionaire and also carjacked with my girlfriend before the word was invented. I had to fight for our lives in the backseat of a Mustang convertible. How cool was that!). Now the quadruple threat of climate change, nuclear war, global financial collapse and the rise of authoritarianism seem to be providing a real rock em sock em ending to a great personal storyline. It makes me think I am a solipsistic sop and this is just the dramatic ending I would have provided for myself. Of course I know I am just a figment of @WillieNegus' imagination, so I don't feel guilty in expecting the world to go south just to provide cinematic impetus to my stepping off the planet. But @InfoCheck, this is all just corny lead up. When I stand at the precipice of the Grand Canyon and look down for the last time, lock myself in a garage with my CO spewing vintage Mercedes, like Fred Astaire in On The Beach, when I tie myself to a tree at Great Slave Lake in some imagined January, I just can't convince myself that I won't be scared shitless. To say one is not afraid to die ( tho many spout the I'm not afraid of death, but of a painful dying... Hell, yeah, I am afraid of a painful dying AND a definitive expiration!) is just words, I am sorry to self realize. It is just too good. Even at its worst, just too fucking good.

  • God, @rtuckr, that seemed like the longest nine minutes of my life. Maybe cause that guy is not very old ( relative to me) and second cause @daveypoo said the same thing in a much more spontaneous, vulnerable and honest way IMO. His points are well taken but his saccharine delivery lacks crunch and distortion. And maybe thumb pick revelations just don't grab me. I guess I am just too much of a Chris Hitchens kind of guy. But thanks for posting and yeah, in substance he is all good.

  • @LinearLineman while we’re wired for self preservation, I believe this is very different than a fear of death. I have fears about plenty of things, but death isn’t one of them. I have been in circumstances where I could have died just as easily as lived and it didn’t concern me one bit. Family and friends found my near death experiences to be very traumatizing but I’m indifferent if not wishful, when feeling disengaged, that it would have gone the other way. Not wanting to be ungrateful or too selfish tends to counter balance those urges for disengagement. Other people can/may/will have different thoughts/feelings about this than I do. My motivation for sharing this is to just let others know not everyone is motivated by a fear of death and in my case I’m motivated by reasons to live especially connection to others.

  • @AudioGus said:

    @Daveypoo said:
    All great comments - I am frankly shocked that my throw-away video (because I couldn't think of anything musical to show off I kinds feel like I cheated by just blabbing to the camera...) has generated this much interest. Maybe I should wax poetic more often...

    I'm increasingly frustrated with Capitalism and all that has come from it (go with me here), and I feel like so much of this invisible pressure most musicians place on themselves is a result of this idea we Americans have propagated around the globe that everything has to be sold and bought. Things become product, and products get compared to other products, get marketed, need managers, create middle-men, etc which is what becomes this "music industry" we all love and hate. It has given us all the wonderful toys we make music on, but has also given us this idea that out product needs to be sellable.

    More and more I'm finding myself tired of being sold to everywhere I go, and I'm tired of fighting to have what I do be "good enough" by these same ever-evolving, invisible rules that I can't seem to keep track of. Reconnecting with that initial spark of doing it for the sheer joy of the act usually produces the best and most inspiring results anyway!

    So thank you all, for making me feel validated with all the comments and discussion here!

    Dude, you should write a book about this, do a Kickstarter etc. ;)

    Hey - I can't give away ALL my secrets... 😉

  • @JohnnyGoodyear said:
    A creative person has little power over his own life. He is not free. He is captive and driven by his daimon. — C. G. Jung (“Memories, Dreams, Reflections”)

    :o :) YES!

    I have a copy of Memories, Dreams.. on my bedside stand right now! Been meaning to get back to re-reading it!

  • As for the age thing - even in my advanced dotage, I found this year I can still jump around on stage for a couple of hours, plunking away on a bass. The difficult bit was lugging the amps on and off...carrying an Orange bass combo across a crowded venue after said jumping, and then doing a two hour drive across the mountains nearly finished me off...

  • So... Life is still better than the alternative? Should we use a poll?

    Being creative is better than being a pure consumer? This one's not a boolean option. Maybe the first poll is also not really a boolean... the "walking dead" live amongst us. Wake up!

  • As you say @InfoCheck, "when disengaged" no fear of death. Not sure you can count on that happening every time. Anyway, I don't wish to beat a fear of death horse. I hope you live long and prosper!

  • Sorry @rtuckr not my bag. Too much assumption and telling.

  • edited December 2018

    Various plant based afterglows (legal in Canada eh) can show one that it is possible to be genuinely fearless about death and that being so can be a very real thing (I mean as much as anything seems real). Maintaining that perspective 'naturally' and without periodic cacti/sprouts seems to require a heavy life's commitment though; at least to be so hardcore you are willing to light yourself on fire for a cause. But dayum that is taking it a bit too far isn't it?
    Woohoo! Apps!

  • @LinearLineman said:
    As you say @InfoCheck, "when disengaged" no fear of death. Not sure you can count on that happening every time. Anyway, I don't wish to beat a fear of death horse. I hope you live long and prosper!

    Thank you, I haven’t always lacked a fear of death but things have changed over the years with positive and negative aspects to it so seeking to be positively engaged has been helpful in this regard. I hope you’re able to navigate your circumstances in a way that’s satisfactory to you.

  • Death holds no fear for me either - that's not to say i've escaped the lure of Thanatos - the death urge : the call of the eternal womb/tomb - it's just my focus is more on it's counter - the Life Urge - the be-ing

    As @AudioGus alluded to...

    Entheodelics (psychedelics - the mushroom) gave me great practice at dying (ego death) ...

    the first time, i fought it, and fought it, and despite the calm voice in my mind telling me, Lovingly, to "just let go", i still fought on - 'i' was dying!!

    eventually, tired and exhausted from the fight, i let go... and ....

    a choir of Angels, a flood of Joy, a deep peace - i wanted to send mushrooms to everyone i Loved :)

    As i strengthen my Life urge, and weaken my death urge, my Life dances from Joy to Joy :)

  • @AudioGus said:

    Various plant based afterglows (legal in Canada eh) can show one that it is possible to be genuinely fearless about death and that being so can be a very real thing (I mean as much as anything seems real). Maintaining that perspective 'naturally' and without periodic cacti/sprouts seems to require a heavy life's commitment though; at least to be so hardcore you are willing to light yourself on fire for a cause. But dayum that is taking it a bit too far isn't it?
    Woohoo! Apps!

    Believe it or not there are some people that care more about a cause than you do about apps. We have a long history of wars to reflect upon as well as parents risking their lives and sometimes sacrificing it to save their children.

  • @LinearLineman, I’d like to stand in and tour the Cistern of Istanbul again. ‘91 was the last time I was there and was so impressed with the unassuming entrance at street level. Having studied Art history as a teen in college and had only heard of places from antiquity through books and movies (From Russia with Love), it was a come to Jesus moment when I got to actually stand in the Aga Sophia and look up. The Blue Mosque was no sneeze either, nor was wandering through the Grand or Gold Bazar or the other things one could do while staying a few days in the Sultan Ahmed district.

    Inquiry from a North American perch, what is the Istanbul equivalent of going out for Chinese over Christmas?

  • Hi @kandavu. Istanbul will welcome you back with welcome arms. A great time to visit. But it sounds like you had a good dose of it almost thirty years ago. It is all the same as when you left it, tho different folks walk the streets and the traffic worse than ever. As far as Xmas, there isn't much alternative as so few are celebrating, New Years is the thing, but that glow has diminished over the past few years. No fireworks displays on the Bosporous. The restaurants are a bit disappointing internationally. Good Chinese is hard to get and the PF Chang we used to have closed a year ago. Being pretty close to India you'd think Indian restaurants would be plentiful, but not so.
    Lots of great cooks here, though. Most cooking for their families. Let me know when you are back in town!

  • @InfoCheck said:

    @AudioGus said:

    Various plant based afterglows (legal in Canada eh) can show one that it is possible to be genuinely fearless about death and that being so can be a very real thing (I mean as much as anything seems real). Maintaining that perspective 'naturally' and without periodic cacti/sprouts seems to require a heavy life's commitment though; at least to be so hardcore you are willing to light yourself on fire for a cause. But dayum that is taking it a bit too far isn't it?
    Woohoo! Apps!

    Believe it or not there are some people that care more about a cause than you do about apps. We have a long history of wars to reflect upon as well as parents risking their lives and sometimes sacrificing it to save their children.

    Yah crazy eh? Well, maybe in the next life.

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