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As frond said ... "Hopefully brambos will introduce some more modules. I suppose it's time to buy Ripplemaker, as it sounds like I missing some fun ;-)
For those running macOS or windows, madrona labs aalto is worth it."
@frond
I love all the BramBos apps. Highly recommended. I have Ripplemaker but have yet to dig into it. Yup, too many synths.
I can see aalto in my future. Particularly once I get my studio actually humming along instead of just collecting gear and dust.
FWIW, Makenoise's modules (at least the 0-Coast) don't use vactrols in the filter (they use transistors) and they definitely get into the ballpark of the timbral capabilities.
One of makenoise engineers talks about their design in a video recorded at Moogfest
Not related to the above discussion but it’s funny how A miced up hardware synth always sounds amazing because of the acoustic quality of a tin box resonating. I know it’s obvious to a degree of insanity but I’ve seen a lot of people eulogizing certain hardware over soft synths and missing the fact that. the magic secret they’re wosrhipping... is a speaker. Or even a wooden table/wall. Like I said not related to te discussion as I’m definitely no expert there, talking about diff things, and te synth sounds beaaautiful but I can hear this, and have come across this in electronic music discussions loads, normally hardware guys who are snobbish about soft synths and don’t have a musical background (play acoustic instruments etc)
Anyone check this out? Additive wave folder and a dynamic VCA/LPG....they do it without vactrols too, but this sounds incrediably organic to my ears.
https://pittsburghmodular.com/microvolt
It sounds good. They mention using vactrols for it.
@espiegel123 Nope, no vactrols. Perry is talking about it around the 3 min. mark.
Interesting. The manual labels the dynamics as a vactrol circuit. I guess that threw me. Doesn't surprise me though. Makenoise also gets that character without a vactrol.
@espiegel123 I thought that too about the manual. I think they were going for the response without the inconsistency of an actual vactrol.
The problem with vactrols is that one usually sounds different from another - darker, quieter, more sensitive to incoming CV signals (too quiet or too easily clipped!). Plus vactrols are really cheap so its good to have extras around to swap out when they break or if you want a different 'flavor'.
I built a few vactrol-based gates VG2, and owned the Optomix, Borg, etc. And it's fun to experiment with swapping vactrols like swapping vacuum tubes ('valves'
), but my favorite one for music-making, not just experimenting, was the software vactrol in the Mutable Instruments Streams. Yeah it's digital and it sounds great, and doesn't suffer from all of the inconsistencies of the optoelectric circuit.
https://mutable-instruments.net/modules/streams/
Have any of few tried both the Arturia Buchla sim and Aalto?
Some of the mix modules have vactrols.
I like the transistor design but it's a lot faster than the vactrols.
I dig vactrols full stop, they're great for some FX (phaser.)
Don't have experience with the Arturia, but I'd say: Aalto isn't trying to replicate a Buchla, so the Arturia has to be the better replica. Pretty sure Aalto's edge is that it was designed from the ground up as a software synth, and the capabilities + workflow + UI take full advantage of that. It's interesting that it earned a following among hardware modular enthusiasts because it's an inspiring instrument in its own right - not because it replaces the hardware.
Play around with the Aalto demo? You should be able to figure out quickly whether it gets into the territory you like..
Worth reading to understand both Buchla and Aalto: http://designingsound.org/2018/02/28/humane-interface-design-for-synthesis/
The Arturia Buchla Easel V sounds very good-raw big and quirky-lots of personality. But the new resynthesis update for Synclavier V is epic! (Yeah, definitely not west-coast but a masterpiece VSTi).
Maybe wait until V Collection 6 drops to $100-$150 right before V7 is released. Or sometimes they give away Analog Lab which is thousands of presets with up to 20 parameters, which can be changed.
I didn’t mean to imply that Aalto was a Buchla-clone. A number of Buchla-influenced designs (including the makenoise 0-Coast) get into the territory that interests me. I just discovered that there is a free mono version of Aalto out there and that Aalto itself is on sale till January 10.
I just listened to an impressive improv done with the Cloudlab 200t using Lemur on an iPad to play the “Buchla”
I saw that Madrona Labs is considerIna iOS Aalto. Time to flood them with request emails
We really should remind Randy from Madrona Labs that we are still interested in Aalto (or Kaivo) for iOS. Maybe he can work it out after he finishes his final third piece in the plugin trilogy.
@espiegel123 Oh I know you didn't imply it was a clone. My own assumption is that in your case, it seems pretty clear that something that actually emulates the hardware will nail the sounds you want. Whereas YMMV on Aalto's sounds. I just meant to emphasize that point as both a pro and con for Aalto.
Yes, the sale is 30% off which bring it to 69 usd. I’m looking through the manual now. Thanks!
Somebody recently opened a thread over there. If others want to chime in and publicize their interest: https://madronalabs.com/topics/7487-ipad-aalto-and-kaivo
It would be great if others chimed in there. I opened the thread
Wow.. they can’t even come up with their own modular things and have to copy Roland. Lame beyond belief.
Yeah, price is right, but is that the only consideration?
I doubt the price is right. Something about that price is not right at all. There are no free lunches, so somewhere someone suffers for Behringer’s thievery. Unfair competition (others are paying for the R&D investments), poor factory workers in his electro-sweatshops, etc. I have zero respect for Uli and his cloning cronies.