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Why can't I just crank up a reverb (and delay) send on the channel I'm using to preview synth sounds, which is what I do all the time?
something in your eye?
hehe
dude, I get what you're saying.. but the point is that all those reverbs on every synth come at the cost of added taxation on the cpu (even when switched off, on plugins that aren't well optimised). I understand having reverb on a standalone app made for just fooling around, that makes sense. In the plugin domain, it's wasted and doesn't sound as good as using separate fx unless somehow said reverb can be routed through some sort of mod on the synth itself. if it's just tacked on at the end of the signal.. well that's just silly. Have an fx bus setup with reverb while you audition presets if you need to hear them with reverb. I mean yeah, I get that people are lazy and all, and most users aren't pro audio people and wouldn't know an fx bus from their elbow.. and another thing.. using a bunch of different reverbs simply sounds incoherent. yeah, wonderful if you're going for a disorienting, muddy sound. But it's sort of like using too many different fonts on a poster, it's simply disorienting and less legible.
The fact is: even the Pro-est ipads can't handle running a few instances of Zeeon without problems, and reverbs are known to be the most cpu intensive of effects. so until idevices can handle the requirements of running a dozen different reverbs in tandem, I reckon it's not the pointless bitching you make it out to be.
and...? I mean that's sort of my point. the quality is a matter of taste (of course your taste is always the best taste
as you're so quick to point out) and is entirely beside the point.
A big part of sound design in techno, ambient, etc is using different reverbs as part of the instrument. For example kicks in techno will often have a gated reverb, which is then filtered and (maybe) compressed. Also quite often you can use reverb as a way to make a sound close to what you want. Reverb is a big part of the sound of a violin/guitar/piano etc - and with judicial use of reverb you can often get a sound quite close to that if you're careful. In techno you can then (obviously) then also do stuff like compress the reverb, filter it, gate it.
I agree about using reverb as part of production. But even there you might apply reverb to the drum bus to help glue them, and then add them to a second reverb for the 'room'.
ok I give up. that was exactly what I was saying. feels like you're intentionally weaving around the actual point about cpu..
at least we can agree on something!
Yes, I agree to both. They're edge cases though. Often in the case of drums, you'll use pre-processed samples with the FX baked in (among others, to save that same CPU!). But even for drums (mostly the clap and bass drum), I use one high-quality short room send reverb. And yes, another valid exception is string sections / ensembles, where you often start with a single sawtooth osc and then use reverb and/or chorus to thicken it. But in those cases, it's not really a reverb, it's a sound design tool
yup, unless the reverb is part of the mod matrix as with something like ivcs3, otherwise you have so much more control over how you shape a verb if you use an fx chain on the track, and/or a bus.
i love my sine waves dry
notice that he points out he records all his synths in dry?!
Yeah, because he has some killer rack verbs to run them all through. most of those synths don't have reverb, and those that do, pale in comparison to the quality verbs. So, yeah.. this is what I'm getting at. Efficiency and more control over getting the sounds you're aiming for! I'm not arguing which reverb is better or anything like that.
lots of people? not sure what you're getting at...
ok, I'm done wasting my breath. now you're just trolling...
he's not using reverbs that are built into the synths. he's using them later in the chain like most any clever person would. so.. thanks for posting an example of the very thing I was suggesting!
cool brag... not talking about the presets though.. I was referring to the way the reverb works in that synth.
but why would you audition sounds with a reverb you aren't going to actually use in the end? especially when you can audition them with the reverb you're actually going to use? omg, why am I taking your bait.. seriously.. I'm out...
Is this thread about reverbs?
To design a rough and ready sound quickly that you'll develop further later? I do this some and am trying to do it more.