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I do love ZZ Top. Texas Blues is a whole genre I can't get enough of. If I could play like Billy Gibbons I'd be a happy man. And it's not Jazz... but I like Good Music and ZZ Top just feels right.
Thanks for playing our game... Tell him what he's won.
@sysexual , did you read the thread, dude?
U, NON-U, & ON-U ?
I always speculated that a lot of the sub-genres in electronic music were invented and used as a marketing tool by the independent artists and small labels during the internet boom and music technologies coming down in price. They both seemed to have happened around the same time.
To oversimplify, seems the formula was:
1. Find several like-minded artists who produce and perform regionally using similar gear and or methodology.
2. Create a label.
3. Get some exposure
4. Make-up a genre name to use when uploading and tagging music.
5. Now when people search for “fidget” or “gabber”, as an example, said artists will often be the first to pop up.
mmmMMMmm! I never would have thought of that!
I skipped the thread, just replying to OP, as this is a subject I don’t feel is worth a back-and-forth discussion due to my distaste of all the sub-genre variations.
Genres rarely help me find artists I like; take my Spotify recommendations for example—they’re utter crap with the occasional gem, but that gem is usually from a varied ‘genre’ each time. I just like the best of the best in any genre (or rather, to be politically correct, what appeals to me the most); I can tell it almost immediately: I will actually remember the artist names tomorrow, and I’ll actually listen to the album much more than once.
I figured it out a few years back that I sort everything into my own four genres: party music, driving music, alone music, and space music. There’s a bit of overlap between party and driving music, and a lot of overlap between driving (depending on number of passengers), alone, and space music. But that pretty much covers it for me.
One other note, I think instead of using the usual genre terms, it’s even better to use movie/novel categories instead: Drama, action/adventure, character study etc. Seems much more fitting to me.
Basically, I’d say it’s because deep down, people like pigeonholes.
In these times of short attention spans, it gives you a starting point.
I actually think that before the 2000’s, there were far more ‘scenes’, whereas now, the listening public are a bit more open to different genres.
EXPERIMENT: Play and piece of music and ask someone to describe in in writing but they cannot compare it to any other piece or musical style. Do you think most of us could write about it in such a way that a listener could pick it out or better yet decide to buy it without hearing it?
That's why most of us say things "Nice Keith Richards sound in the rhythm guitar line."
Artists tend to hate these comparisons and sometimes will kill a song that too many people say reminds of them of a successful known artist.
But we write about and read reviews to make decisions. In the age of YouTube we just listen and skip the confusion of someone else's POV.
A valuable comment that dovetails with @DefRobot 's comment, @McDtracy. We, as creatures of fear and habit, can only relax when everything fits in it's proper place. I guess that's why great original artists stand apart from the rest of us. They are not afraid of the new. They crave the next step. Again, Stravinsky comes to mind. Rite of Spring was do unabashedly new that people rioted at its first performance. The threat was so huge, so preposterous. Yet Igor knew he was on to something. And eventually others knew it, too. Now we can say... oh, it sounds like Stravinsky!
Interesting article on the subject:
https://www.theguardian.com/music/2011/aug/25/origins-of-music-genres-hip-hop
In my day there was just classical and pop music. Pop meaning popular., hence pop classics. Also, the dividing line of music snobbishness.
I just think it is important to have an open mind and appreciate music for what it is. Genre classification is a useful pointer for further exploration but just a crude tool, nothing else.
Just appreciate music whatever for what is does to you. If some music grates, ignore it. If a certain piece/genre inspires/united you great. So what. Not worth starting a war over.
I don’t really see the point of wasting brain cell time pondering whether placing music into various genres divides or unites people.
Ok...we all know of specific bits of music that have been associated with undesirable actions to put it mildly but it is how it is used to influence that is wrong, surely.
Great article @Jomodu. Interesting that genres, when coopted by musicians, djs, record companies, etc became something less than they were. I think of "Impressionism" "modern art", et. al. These were huge, impactful categories that staked out vast artistic territory, and, of course, led to multiple sub genres. The late 20th century viewpoint, diminishing everything to a sound byte ( bite?) included genre in its pincerlike jaws, and only deteriorates into the 21st century. But, I am not saying it's bad... just that it resembles a stamp collector who specializes in Canal Zone stamps.
@Jomodu, respectfully, if you feel that way about wasting brain cell time pondering it, why are you wasting brain cell time pondering it? My wife showed me a cartoon once that showed a woman throwing a man out the window. Another woman, on the floor below, has a net extended out the window to catch the man, Caption: "One woman's trash is another woman's treasure"
I think that answers your question as to the point of any particular thread. And as to starting a war... uhhhh, I don't get it.
It is just an interesting topic.... for some, and worth bashing for others. A war where everybody wins. What could be better?
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@LinearLineman . Thanks. Actually,I am pondering myself why I got hooked to respond.
What I really wanted to say was that I wonder why you feel the need to pose all these long thought-provoking diatribes on a forum devoted specifically to IOS users experiences and technical comments as if you are sat on Mt Sinai or some other sage’s throne. And then complain when a few people react to you.
Seriously, I think you view this forum as your only social intercourse outlet. Or window to demonstrate the extent of your lexicon and intelligence.
Nothing wrong with that in moderation but I do have a picture of a lonely, chair ridden old man in an upstairs flat.
Now, I am annoyed with myself for taking the bait and starting to get critical.
There is no reason for you to capture or care about anyone’s respect, let alone mine . But, I did enjoy and respect your initial topics when confined to music theory and apps experience plus the music you presented.
Sorry for this but I think some of your comments regarding other people’s comments on your topics could be thought about a bit more.😋
When I was 5 years old, I had my first vinyl which was Michael Jackson Thriller. Very nice to start with!!! My dad made a K7 from this and I had the first Walkman available in France when I was 6, listening to Michael and other kids cartoons vinyls/K7 compilations, and watching to the first french TV show of its kind: H.I.P.H.O.P with Sydney. One of my preferred track was Maya the bee cartoon, because of that solar sound I learned to know many many years later it was a solo saxophone
Later, my mom didn’t want to bought to much K7, and I had a new one only every 3 or 4 months, with some 45t vinyls to complement: pop, Beatles, U2, Aha, Wham, etc... Aged 12, Iron Maiden, then lot of Punk music I started to buy myself, and also hiphop form DefJam. Aged 16, I started learning sax: so I also started listening to jazz of course, and even very quickly mostly free jazz. I listened all the time to John Coltrane and Pharoah Sanders. Those two musicians were opened to other musics, with a double human/artist approach, added African, Indian, Arabic, Hispanic and much more elements to their music. As myself a sax learner, I started aged 19 to listen to world music, and much other styles I never listened too. I wanted to feel every kind of music like reggae, ska, even pop, classical, electronic, post rock experimental, etc. I wanted to feel/understand all musicians. I wanted to absorb everything, to feel universality. Genres divide but it’s listener choice to unify. My own music don’t have a specific or stable genre, I do what I want and I love that. Genres exist certainly because of labels, but also because of targeted audiences, or just because those audiences already exist. Younger people like tribalism. Each genre often also has a culture, look at reggae, techno, head bangers. What’s wrong with that? Nothing, that’s cool. I have respect for all of them and their taste. When I was younger I had some pop and singed music reject, commercial music with no deep artistic elements, made for seduction and making money. Now I mostly don’t care at all. Each one his own, and music power is still the same, lot of people in the world listen to music everyday and it’s very cool. I think that some musicians miss tolerance and respect. As musicians, we know the inside, put lot of knowledge and often philosophy in what we do. But average joes listeners are still respectable in their music tastes. As is music from our century. Stop saying that everything was good before and now everything is crap or less good music. This is the best way to loose the train. A musician should open ears a bit more to whole creation world. Dinosaurs don’t make avant-garde. Lot of ultra creative stuff everywhere. Or change ears, music is not only scales and chords. Some texture work in electro put jazzers to shame, like baby who just know how to walk when some others runs far away. Humility seems to be the key, as is opened mind and ears. Just my opinion however, my 2cts.
That would have been my knee-jerk answer. It's the same as with any system of categorization -- it makes it easier to find and sort stuff for the brain.
@Jomodu, this is off topic, correct? Just don't read it. As to being an old man I am 70. Probably, since you speak like you are twenty, I am very old. As to my lonely room I have a view of the Bosporus and two continents from the penthouse apartment I live in here in Istanbul with my wife. You can see pictures on my SoundCloud account. Your imagination is best kept for more thrilling use.
Yes, I find this forum my go to place for interesting thoughts, ideas and knowledge from people I respect and @InfoCheck is one of them, though we tend to disagree. I contribute my own ideas, interests and opinions, just like anyone else. And I contribute my fair share of iOS created music, as well as my iOS experiences.
Would you care to censor me? Because I have ideas that go to places you don't care about? Are you threatened by a good vocabulary or by intelligence? Have we come to a place where
entertaining writing, clarity (sometimes), humor, use of language, and free expression of ideas are disdainful and should be hidden?
I posted about the subject of genres. I responded to someone saying I presented a totally non threatening topic in a polarizing and provocative way. @jomodu, if my genre does not appeal to you, stick to subjects that do. If you want to have a pissing contest, beware, I am an old man and I just had prostate surgery.
And don't say you are sorry after you vent. It is a cop out.
This. Thank you for sharing @Janosax
You’re welcome @LinearLineman thanks for this interesting thread. A good thing with genres is they can rassemble people in specific cultures, without necesseraly making them closed to others ones. This is music social role, think griots. And that push some musicians to explore deeply some way to make music and create new tendances. It certainly adds great things to whole musicians comunauty creativity too. We could name this « sound orientation » instead of genre
Oh dear.....that was not venting, believe me. My point was about some of your recent topics not seeming to be relevant to the subject matter of this forum to me -however thought provoking they may be.
We are all entitled to post non-ios topics but In moderation, surely I thought.
Yes,I can and will ignore yours in future..I skipped in twice and thought what is all this about on this forum.
For the record, I am older and am healthy......relevance?
Both had our say now ....RIP.
@Jomodu ... " not relevant to you", you mean. Interest in the subject of genres, for example, does seem to be present on this forum. RIP...clever. Relevance Is Personal. You are smarter than I thought. Now we have both had our say.
I only listen to Eskimo Progressive KPop so I don’t actually believe there are other genres... nice try, though.
Just for you @ZenLizard. ☃️
Erm... That’s right. I meant to say that Inuit Chant is the only genre... and only the traditional... and only when it’s played over and over in a loop. 😁
Agreed.
Here's a little trick. Start every comment by seeing who wrote it.
Then you can just skip comments from people that offend you.
Trying to be the editor of a user forum using your method just never works. Edit with your own eyes.
I will use this approach to avoid extending this exchange of abuse on a thread that @LinearLineMan started. Just noticing that simple fact could have saved us all the trouble of explaining
courtesy and civil discourse to you.
"If thine eye offend thee..."
The purpose of genres are to inspire awesome videos like these from people like Dave from Boy in a Band and Andrew Huang. Enjoy
It's all about marketing, so the record companies know how and where to promote something.
@AndyPlankton , I get that, but if you check out the genre map you get a much bigger picture. I think genre was the giant fungus that marketers realized they could feed upon.