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BM3... Will there EVER be another major update?

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  • I’m not supposed to say anything, but the delays have been primarily due to longer than expected development time for the Blackberry version.

  • @wim said:
    I’m not supposed to say anything, but the delays have been primarily due to longer than expected development time for the Blackberry version.

    I always wondered why your username was so similar to RIM ;)

    Going incognito?

  • @tk32 said:

    @wim said:
    I’m not supposed to say anything, but the delays have been primarily due to longer than expected development time for the Blackberry version.

    I always wondered why your username was so similar to RIM ;)

    Going incognito?

    Nah. I just have twouble saying the lettewuh “aww”.

  • @drez said:

    @BroCoast said:

    @tja said:

    @drez said:
    If some of the finickyness of the midi note/automation editor get smoothed out, I will get lost for a week or two sampling from Streemur and making some breaks. I just love the whole pad setup methodology in BM3 for programming drums. It’s amazing. I just have a hard time poking in notes and massaging them in the note editor. But playing the pads live...nothing beats the 4x4 layout it’s got. Everything is right where it needs to be.

    Can't you get 4x4 in Xequence or nanostudio 2 too?
    Both also offer much better MIDI editing, IMHO.

    BM3 pad layout is really special. The left hand controls are unrivalled and you can't actually take advantage of them because BM3 is a chump at recording/playing notes.

    Eg. you can get very realistic ruffs/rolls using the left hand trigger pad but the notes don't actually record/play with midi properly.

    Exactly. The layout of BM3’s 4x4 is unrivaled for live play. And I play most of my drum parts live, not sequenced. So it’s just the editing itself that’s the issue. I use NS2 as my main host but doing drums, breakbeat and maschine type workflow...BM3 is superb.

    I think if NS2 ever gets Y velocity on the pads (which it already supports in the single pad view so it should be possible to do in the 16 pad layout as well), and also note repeat, then it should be just as good as BM3 for finger drumming.

    I think NS2 is closer to being the ideal in terms of combining great pads with a great sequencer, because the sequencer in BM3 really leaves a lot to be desired IMO, I really don't enjoy using it. The pads and the left-hand functions are great though, and of course the sampler is in a league of its own.

  • wimwim
    edited March 2019

    Xequence AU Pads is a delight to use in NS2. Velocity options, and all the easy configurability you could desire. Now we just need AUv3 midi recording to work in NS2 and BM3.

  • edited March 2019

    @wim said:
    Xequence AU Pads is a delight to use in NS2. Velocity options, and all the easy configurability you could desire. Now we just need AUv3 midi recording to work in NS2 and BM3.

    AUv3 MIDI recording works in BM3 if you load Audioveek's MIDI Route (part of his MIDI Tools suite) onto the pad you want to record.

    It listens to the MIDI generated by all the plugins before it in the chain and then directs all notes into the MIDI pattern when recording. For example, you can use this technique to capture arpeggios generated by a MIDI plugin like Rozeta.

    They are also lots of hints that full MIDI plugin recording will be available natively in the next BM3 update

  • @wim said:
    Xequence AU Pads is a delight to use in NS2. Velocity options, and all the easy configurability you could desire. Now we just need AUv3 midi recording to work in NS2 and BM3.

    Yes this should be a great option in the future, once NS2 is capable of actually recording the MIDI ;)

    For the time being I just use Xequence standalone to record the finger drumming (because it supports Y velocity). But it's a hassle having to switch apps after pressing record and also not being able to see the controls etc... Once the AU is usable it will be much better.

    I wonder if the AudioVeek workaround also works in NS2?

  • edited March 2019

    @tk32 said:

    @wim said:
    Xequence AU Pads is a delight to use in NS2. Velocity options, and all the easy configurability you could desire. Now we just need AUv3 midi recording to work in NS2 and BM3.

    AUv3 MIDI recording works in BM3 if you load Audioveek's MIDI Route (part of his MIDI Tools suite) onto the pad you want to record.

    It listens to the MIDI generated by all the plugins before it in the chain and then directs all notes into the MIDI pattern when recording. For example, you can use this technique to capture arpeggios generated by a MIDI plugin like Rozeta.

    They are also lots of hints that full MIDI plugin recording will be available natively in the next BM3 update

    What he said and also the blackberry version @wim mentioned. ;)
    Matthieu is hard at work getting stuff done in BM3. A little patience and no stress on the update release is all he asks for.

  • edited March 2019

    @wim @SevenSystems cheers for the heads up ref. Xequence drum pads looks cool. Trying to find video tutorials but none . Seven systems are there any videos online . Iam thinking to use the app with GrooveRider and iMPC PRO2 and as an app for my toolbox but need to know if each pad can be used as seperate tracks and if the app has SWING or just Quantize?
    EDIT : i think xequence is more what I need so can do midi routing and sequencing as long as there is SWING which Iam not sure?

  • @stormbeats there's a few videos online from @gmslayton, I think one is specifically about the keyboard and pads (inside Xequence, not the AU).

    And yes, Xequence has non-destructive swing, can be set with a slider per arranger track.

    However, in Xequence, all pads of a single pad set are bound to the same track and MIDI channel/destination.

    In Xequence AU | Pads, each pad can have its own MIDI channel and thus routed to separate instruments as desired, by using the channel filtering options of the host (eg. AUM).

  • @SevenSystems said:
    @stormbeats there's a few videos online from @gmslayton, I think one is specifically about the keyboard and pads (inside Xequence, not the AU).

    And yes, Xequence has non-destructive swing, can be set with a slider per arranger track.

    However, in Xequence, all pads of a single pad set are bound to the same track and MIDI channel/destination.

    In Xequence AU | Pads, each pad can have its own MIDI channel and thus routed to separate instruments as desired, by using the channel filtering options of the host (eg. AUM).

    @SevenSystems ok thanks for info.

  • @SevenSystems does Drum Pads app have more than one pad bank?

  • @gmslayton hi if possible can you insert your youtube link as Seven System said you might have some videos on Xequnce and Xequence Drum Pads? Thanks in advance

  • @stormbeats Here is my Xequence playlist.

  • @gmslayton said:
    @stormbeats Here is my Xequence playlist.

    @gmslayton cheers yes found it earlier Good tutorial. I didnt realise you were AudioDabbler. Thanks

  • @stormbeats awesome. and yes, I was very horrible at branding initially, still am not great at it, and I already had my handle on here when I created my youtube channel and did not feel like changing it.

  • @stormbeats said:
    @SevenSystems does Drum Pads app have more than one pad bank?

    Since each pad can have it’s own midi channel, and since you can set up just about any size grid, it can be as-if there are multiple pad banks. (Note, this is in the Pads AU, not in Xequence, which can only have one midi channel per bank). For instance, here is my setup for playing all three Ruismaker apps. The Ruismaker pads send on midi channel 10, FM on 11, Noir on 12. In Audiobus mfxStrip is needed to filter for only that channel, but in AUM it’s built in.

    Of course, you don’t have to combine apps all in one instance since you can have as many instances as you want.

  • @wim said:

    @stormbeats said:
    @SevenSystems does Drum Pads app have more than one pad bank?

    Since each pad can have it’s own midi channel, and since you can set up just about any size grid, it can be as-if there are multiple pad banks. (Note, this is in the Pads AU, not in Xequence, which can only have one midi channel per bank). For instance, here is my setup for playing all three Ruismaker apps. The Ruismaker pads send on midi channel 10, FM on 11, Noir on 12. In Audiobus mfxStrip is needed to filter for only that channel, but in AUM it’s built in.

    Of course, you don’t have to combine apps all in one instance since you can have as many instances as you want.

    The green row is not correctly centered ;)

  • @SevenSystems said:
    The green row is not correctly centered ;)

    Function over form!

  • @SevenSystems thanks for the info Very much appreciated

  • @SevenSystems is the swing function available in the drum pads app or just xequence?

  • @stormbeats said:
    @wim @SevenSystems cheers for the heads up ref. Xequence drum pads looks cool. Trying to find video tutorials but none . Seven systems are there any videos online . Iam thinking to use the app with GrooveRider and iMPC PRO2 and as an app for my toolbox but need to know if each pad can be used as seperate tracks and if the app has SWING or just Quantize?
    EDIT : i think xequence is more what I need so can do midi routing and sequencing as long as there is SWING which Iam not sure?

    On a side note, using an app called mfxConvert, you can translate Xequence single-channel output into multiple channels for controlling GR-16. I can post an AB3 session if you’re interested. But since this is a BM3 thread I’ll stop sidetracking here ...

  • @gmslayton said:
    @stormbeats awesome. and yes, I was very horrible at branding initially, still am not great at it, and I already had my handle on here when I created my youtube channel and did not feel like changing it.

    @gmslayton no worries thanks dude

  • @wim said:

    @stormbeats said:
    @wim @SevenSystems cheers for the heads up ref. Xequence drum pads looks cool. Trying to find video tutorials but none . Seven systems are there any videos online . Iam thinking to use the app with GrooveRider and iMPC PRO2 and as an app for my toolbox but need to know if each pad can be used as seperate tracks and if the app has SWING or just Quantize?
    EDIT : i think xequence is more what I need so can do midi routing and sequencing as long as there is SWING which Iam not sure?

    On a side note, using an app called mfxConvert, you can translate Xequence single-channel output into multiple channels for controlling GR-16. I can post an AB3 session if you’re interested. But since this is a BM3 thread I’ll stop sidetracking here ...

    @wim thanks that would be cool Just realised you posted the info above Thanks

  • @stormbeats, no problem. Here ya’ go...
    Audiobus preset 'Xequence To GR-16 Pads': http://preset.audiob.us/7wm8zcMJR0B7lHj

  • @>; @richardyot said:

    @drez said:

    @BroCoast said:

    @tja said:

    @drez said:
    If some of the finickyness of the midi note/automation editor get smoothed out, I will get lost for a week or two sampling from Streemur and making some breaks. I just love the whole pad setup methodology in BM3 for programming drums. It’s amazing. I just have a hard time poking in notes and massaging them in the note editor. But playing the pads live...nothing beats the 4x4 layout it’s got. Everything is right where it needs to be.

    Can't you get 4x4 in Xequence or nanostudio 2 too?
    Both also offer much better MIDI editing, IMHO.

    BM3 pad layout is really special. The left hand controls are unrivalled and you can't actually take advantage of them because BM3 is a chump at recording/playing notes.

    Eg. you can get very realistic ruffs/rolls using the left hand trigger pad but the notes don't actually record/play with midi properly.

    Exactly. The layout of BM3’s 4x4 is unrivaled for live play. And I play most of my drum parts live, not sequenced. So it’s just the editing itself that’s the issue. I use NS2 as my main host but doing drums, breakbeat and maschine type workflow...BM3 is superb.

    I think if NS2 ever gets Y velocity on the pads (which it already supports in the single pad view so it should be possible to do in the 16 pad layout as well), and also note repeat, then it should be just as good as BM3 for finger drumming.

    I think NS2 is closer to being the ideal in terms of combining great pads with a great sequencer, because the sequencer in BM3 really leaves a lot to be desired IMO, I really don't enjoy using it. The pads and the left-hand functions are great though, and of course the sampler is in a league of its own.

    @richardyot :That’s good to know as I haven’t delved too deeply into the BM3 sequencer . I just assumed it was on par with NS2: Apparently not. Xequence would be ideal for me except for the fact that I can’t insert the once in a while odd meter bar .. @SevenSystems has indicated that there’s no way to remedy this unfortunately.

  • edited March 2019

    @wim said:
    @stormbeats, no problem. Here ya’ go...
    Audiobus preset 'Xequence To GR-16 Pads': http://preset.audiob.us/7wm8zcMJR0B7lHj

    @wim brilliant thanks :-)
    @wim Does this mean each pad will have its own track If possible can you upload a screenshot. Iam thinking I can than route each GR track/pad from Xequence into seperate tracks into bm3 which can then give GR effects per pad though I think @SevenSystems said pad seperates can only be applied in the drums app. Anyway Iam hogging the bm3 thread so will experiment a bit.
    Cool

  • @stormbeats said:
    @SevenSystems is the swing function available in the drum pads app or just xequence?

    Pads doesn't do any automated playing or sequencing, so there's no swing function...

  • @SevenSystems said:

    @stormbeats said:
    @SevenSystems is the swing function available in the drum pads app or just xequence?

    Pads doesn't do any automated playing or sequencing, so there's no swing function...

    Ok cool

  • wimwim
    edited March 2019

    @stormbeats said:

    @wim said:
    @stormbeats, no problem. Here ya’ go...
    Audiobus preset 'Xequence To GR-16 Pads': http://preset.audiob.us/7wm8zcMJR0B7lHj

    @wim brilliant thanks :-)
    @wim Does this mean each pad will have its own track If possible can you upload a screenshot. Iam thinking I can than route each GR track/pad from Xequence into seperate tracks into bm3 which can then give GR effects per pad though I think @SevenSystems said pad seperates can only be applied in the drums app. Anyway Iam hogging the bm3 thread so will experiment a bit.
    Cool

    I think you’re misunderstanding. Pads doesn’t do anything to audio. It only sends midi to apps. Think of it like a hardware midi controller, except that it’s on your device. GR-16 doesn’t send multiple audio outputs, so the audio can’t be split among pads in BM3. For that you’d need to lobby Jim Pavlov to add multiple Audiobus / IAA outputs to GR-16.

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