TouchOSC or Lemur?

rs2000

@SevenSystems These faders would make a lot of sense inside Xequence, especially when using in conjunction with Gadget, bs-16i, SampleTank, SoundCanvas etc.

SevenSystems

@rs2000 said:
@SevenSystems These faders would make a lot of sense inside Xequence, especially when using in conjunction with Gadget, bs-16i, SampleTank, SoundCanvas etc.

Yeah, there originally was the idea of having assignable faders on the instruments screen (hence the blank space 😉), but that idea has to wait and I've chosen to make better use of the available space instead for Xequence 2 for the time being 🙂

auxmux

Wow @SevenSystems That looks epic! Need a beta or alpha tester?

SevenSystems

@nondes said:
Wow @SevenSystems That looks epic! Need a beta or alpha tester?

Thank you -- I'll keep you in mind, I'm currently still struggling with how to efficiently implement multi-selection (and multi - editing) while keeping it simple -- essentially what the thread was originally about... 🙂

audio_DT

I recently bought MDP and am very impressed by it. It's true that it's a bit ugly and that the two-screen thing is a bit cumbersome, but, man, you can create almost anything with it. It's the most flexible front-end for AUM, no? Or is there something better?

aplourde

@brambos said:
If you just need a bunch of sliders Mozaic would already do the trick

It would be amazing if Mozaic had UI layout that was just sliders (the full 22) where you could draw over the sliders to set them instead of having to adjust each slider one-by-one.

Fantastic for drawing a "waveform" or in a performance context.

Please consider it!

brambos

@aplourde said:

@brambos said:
If you just need a bunch of sliders Mozaic would already do the trick

It would be amazing if Mozaic had UI layout that was just sliders (the full 22) where you could draw over the sliders to set them instead of having to adjust each slider one-by-one.

Fantastic for drawing a "waveform" or in a performance context.

Please consider it!

How would you use this? Wouldn't that make more sense in an audio/oscillator context?

rs2000

@SevenSystems said:

@rs2000 said:
@SevenSystems These faders would make a lot of sense inside Xequence, especially when using in conjunction with Gadget, bs-16i, SampleTank, SoundCanvas etc.

Yeah, there originally was the idea of having assignable faders on the instruments screen (hence the blank space 😉), but that idea has to wait and I've chosen to make better use of the available space instead for Xequence 2 for the time being 🙂

Three iPhone-compatible suggestions for this screen (some time in the far future 😅 )
1. Replace the "+" sign on each instrument box by a fader icon to show a popup with faders like volume, pan, filter cutoff, resonance, attack, decay for this instrument (for example), much like Yamaha XG
2. Enhance the rightmost big "+" by showing multiple + signs followed by the available MIDI destination. If there's more than three destinations, make it a scrollable list.
3. If space is not sufficient to show even more adjustment options, there's always the swipe gesture: Swipe left to show another screen, for example.

Shabudua

I use Sonic Logic. I’m surprised nobody has mentioned it.

https://apps.apple.com/us/app/sonic-logic/id573446786

rs2000

Why not start with a free app (limited to one page for controls):
https://apps.apple.com/en/app/ctrl-for-ipad/id1247514528?l=en

auxmux

@rs2000 said:
Why not start with a free app (limited to one page for controls):
https://apps.apple.com/en/app/ctrl-for-ipad/id1247514528?l=en

Does this support Bluetooth MIDI?

aplourde

@brambos said:

@aplourde said:

@brambos said:
If you just need a bunch of sliders Mozaic would already do the trick

It would be amazing if Mozaic had UI layout that was just sliders (the full 22) where you could draw over the sliders to set them instead of having to adjust each slider one-by-one.

Fantastic for drawing a "waveform" or in a performance context.

Please consider it!

How would you use this? Wouldn't that make more sense in an audio/oscillator context?

At its simplest it's a way to draw out any arbitrary envelope or LFO shape (like modstep or Quantum when sending CCs). Step through each slider at whatever quantize level with or without interpolation).

In a more advanced setup it could be used to build something like Mutable Instruments Stages.

Yes, you can achieve this by adjusting each slider one at a time, but drawing over multiple sliders is much nicer and much, much quicker! Also, having more sliders available at once would be fantastic as 9 steps is a bit too low-res for a waveform.

Thanks for considering this!

auxmux

@aplourde wouldn't Moziac be better for that?

aplourde

@nondes said:
@aplourde wouldn't Moziac be better for that?

Yes, that's what I was suggesting! Another UI for Mozaic that consists of 22 sliders that you can draw over.

Panel 3 only has 9 faders and you can't draw over all 9, you have to adjust each one independently.

SevenSystems

@aplourde said:

@nondes said:
@aplourde wouldn't Moziac be better for that?

Yes, that's what I was suggesting! Another UI for Mozaic that consists of 22 sliders that you can draw over.

Panel 3 only has 9 faders and you can't draw over all 9, you have to adjust each one independently.

Isn't this pushing the concept of Mozaic a bit? It sounds to me like what you want is just any "normal" MIDI sequencer that has a controller editor where you can draw in your controller curves with an adjustable grid setting?

espiegel123

@aplourde said:

@nondes said:
@aplourde wouldn't Moziac be better for that?

Yes, that's what I was suggesting! Another UI for Mozaic that consists of 22 sliders that you can draw over.

Panel 3 only has 9 faders and you can't draw over all 9, you have to adjust each one independently.

By draw do mean something like StepBud's "draw" mode?

aplourde

@SevenSystems said:

@aplourde said:

@nondes said:
@aplourde wouldn't Moziac be better for that?

Yes, that's what I was suggesting! Another UI for Mozaic that consists of 22 sliders that you can draw over.

Panel 3 only has 9 faders and you can't draw over all 9, you have to adjust each one independently.

Isn't this pushing the concept of Mozaic a bit? It sounds to me like what you want is just any "normal" MIDI sequencer that has a controller editor where you can draw in your controller curves with an adjustable grid setting?

If the concept is that Mozaic can be all (or most) things, then providing an alternative interface and user interaction method for setting the values isn't really pushing the concept, but, rather, expanding the use cases!

And ultimately, I'm not actually writing about the end functionality, but rather an additional UI that could be used in a variety of ways:
The simplest example I mentioned is just like using Quantum in CC mode, but as I said, it could be the interface for something more sophisticated (e.g. MI Stages, or a generative sequencer that outputs notes roughly following the contour of the slider curve, but ultimately determined by the algorithm, or... ). I would love it if Mozaic had a breakpoint envelope UI, but seeing how that could be a greater stretch, providing faders that could be used to program envelopes quickly would be advantageous!

Could you get the end functionality using the 22 knobs view? Sure, but it's not as easy to see the contour of values in 22 knobs vs 22 faders and it's no where as quick setting that contour with 22 individual knobs vs faders you can draw over.

aplourde

@espiegel123 said:

@aplourde said:

@nondes said:
@aplourde wouldn't Moziac be better for that?

Yes, that's what I was suggesting! Another UI for Mozaic that consists of 22 sliders that you can draw over.

Panel 3 only has 9 faders and you can't draw over all 9, you have to adjust each one independently.

By draw do mean something like StepBud's "draw" mode?

I don't have StepBud - in Quantum it's when you enable the "Draw faders" button (the pointing finger icon on the right near the top).

Basically it allows you to set a range of faders by swiping your finger over them instead of having to adjust each one individually. It allows you to draw a curve / envelope much more easily and quickly.

rs2000

I don't get how Mozaic would help here - as far as I understand it neither works standalone nor inside Xequence, no?

aplourde

@rs2000 said:
I don't get how Mozaic would help here - as far as I understand it neither works standalone nor inside Xequence, no?

Sorry, this was a bit of a thread-jacking!

Someone invoked BramBos re: making a new user-configurable MIDI control surface app; he mentioned that if you just need sliders you could use Mozaic; I was commenting on the functionality of the Mozaic sliders and asking if he could consider a new UI panel....

TheVimFuego

@skiphunt said:

@brambos said:

@skiphunt said:

@brambos said:
If you just need a bunch of sliders Mozaic would already do the trick

Is there already just a set of sliders script? Or, are you talking about coding your own?

I looked at all the scripts that come with Mozaic and didn’t see one. Checked the user scripts I’ve downloaded and wim’s midi morph is the only one I saw with some sliders.

Layout 3 is the slider layout. Just use this script to make them all send out CC codes:

@OnLoad
  ShowLayout 3
@End

@OnKnobChange
  value = GetKnobValue LastKnob
  cc = LastKnob + 10
  SendMIDICC 0, cc, value
@End

Granted... I only cut/pasted your code uploaded/named & saved... but hey, I just made my first Mozaic script!

I call it “sliders”.

thx

Google + Copy + Paste = Backbone of my career.

I started before Google, how was that even possible? Manuals or something I guess ...

MonkeyDrummer

@rs2000 said:
Why not start with a free app (limited to one page for controls):
https://apps.apple.com/en/app/ctrl-for-ipad/id1247514528?l=en

Holy WTF! Those guys are smoking crack if they think their app is worth $150! They HAVE to have the decimal in the wrong place...

wim

Here’s a little modification that lets you cycle through layouts by tapping the shift button. You can change the order or remove layouts by reordering or removing numbers from the “Layouts” array. (Ex. Layouts[0, 2, 1, 3] would get rid of layout four and rearrange order the others come up).

@OnLoad
  //remove or rearrange layouts as desired
  Layouts = [0, 1, 2, 3, 4]
  index = 3
  ShowLayout Layouts[index]
@End

@OnKnobChange
  value = GetKnobValue LastKnob
  cc = LastKnob + 10
  SendMIDICC 0, cc, value
@End

@OnShiftDown
  Inc index
  if Unassigned Layouts[index]
    index = 0
  endif
  ShowLayout Layouts[index]
@End

wim

@BroCoast said:
Thanks for the replies. I've got Lemur but never use it that much.

I like how TouchOSC looks and really just need 8 sliders that you can tap to set the level rather than dragging.

MIDI Designer gets great reviews but man that is the ugliest thing I've ever seen.

Sidecar MIDI Controller by Secret Base Design https://apps.apple.com/us/app/sidecar-midi-controller/id1073305840 is an oldie-but-goodie that has configurable pads with optional tap to se the value. It has the added advantage that it can slide over or use split view.

wim

@Shabudua said:
I use Sonic Logic. I’m surprised nobody has mentioned it.

https://apps.apple.com/us/app/sonic-logic/id573446786

Sonic logic is also excellent. One of my favorites. It’s so easy and quick to set up control surfaces.

BroCoast

@brambos said:
If you just need a bunch of sliders Mozaic would already do the trick

Thanks

@wim said:

@BroCoast said:
Thanks for the replies. I've got Lemur but never use it that much.

I like how TouchOSC looks and really just need 8 sliders that you can tap to set the level rather than dragging.

MIDI Designer gets great reviews but man that is the ugliest thing I've ever seen.

Sidecar MIDI Controller by Secret Base Design https://apps.apple.com/us/app/sidecar-midi-controller/id1073305840 is an oldie-but-goodie that has configurable pads with optional tap to se the value. It has the added advantage that it can slide over or use split view.

Ah I forgot about that one. I think I actually bought it on some QWERTY quest. Cheers!

ttk

You guys seem so knowledgeable

Beside Lemur, do you know which of those apps (TouchOSC, Midi designer, ...) have multitouch controls?

Particulary a multitouch xy pad?

auxmux

@wim said:

@Shabudua said:
I use Sonic Logic. I’m surprised nobody has mentioned it.

https://apps.apple.com/us/app/sonic-logic/id573446786

Sonic logic is also excellent. One of my favorites. It’s so easy and quick to set up control surfaces.

Tried it this morning. Very intuitive and fast. Liking it better than Lemur at the moment. I was starting to create a layout in TouchOSC and Lemur, and Sonic Logic was much faster.

rs2000

@ttk said:
You guys seem so knowledgeable

Beside Lemur, do you know which of those apps (TouchOSC, Midi designer, ...) have multitouch controls?

Particulary a multitouch xy pad?

As far as I remember all known controller apps support multitouch.
I think Lemur is the only one supporting more than one X/Y control point inside an X/Y pad.

ttk

@rs2000 said:

@ttk said:
You guys seem so knowledgeable

Beside Lemur, do you know which of those apps (TouchOSC, Midi designer, ...) have multitouch controls?

Particulary a multitouch xy pad?

As far as I remember all known controller apps support multitouch.
I think Lemur is the only one supporting more than one X/Y control point inside an X/Y pad.

Yeah, that's what I feared...

So I guess it's an additional point in favor of Lemur, right?