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Is YouTube A Private Company, if so why do People Care if they regulate their content?

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  • well it was cool learning so much about the issue. Seems there are two types of people on the internet, those that can dislike you and leave you alone and those that can dislike you and claim the right to promote your destruction and get paid for it.... I know whom I'd rather have tea with., whom I'd rather have engage with my children and I guess that's all any heavy consumer of YouTubage can hope for.

    thanks guys, and thanks for keeping the topic Apolitical!

  • @Fruitbat1919 said:

    @mannix said:
    Good to see another political thread on Audiobus that still isn't closed by @Michael

    Moderation started to regulate discussions. But in time people became more sensitive of what should be moderated as sensitive. I see a trend towards everything become more and more sensitive to the absurd. Especially comapanie seem to easliy give in to these absurd critics. Everything seems to become more and more in a state of fear in the internet. Which creates new generations of people the fear public opinion. The only solution is a islamist revolution and luckily we are seeing this happening in the West. Sooner than you think islam will take over.

    It’s the new communism for the West. Makes me laugh when those that support it, will be the first thrown off the roof or stoned to death lol

    Nope they will the first ones will be converted. I you open your eyes you will see that this is already happening. What I will mean foremost is the end of the Western feminist movement and the installment of a masculine society. Good thing, bad thing I don't know but you can't cheat reality.

  • @mannix said:

    @Fruitbat1919 said:

    @mannix said:
    Good to see another political thread on Audiobus that still isn't closed by @Michael

    Moderation started to regulate discussions. But in time people became more sensitive of what should be moderated as sensitive. I see a trend towards everything become more and more sensitive to the absurd. Especially comapanie seem to easliy give in to these absurd critics. Everything seems to become more and more in a state of fear in the internet. Which creates new generations of people the fear public opinion. The only solution is a islamist revolution and luckily we are seeing this happening in the West. Sooner than you think islam will take over.

    It’s the new communism for the West. Makes me laugh when those that support it, will be the first thrown off the roof or stoned to death lol

    Nope they will the first ones will be converted. I you open your eyes you will see that this is already happening. What I will mean foremost is the end of the Western feminist movement and the installment of a masculine society. Good thing, bad thing I don't know but you can't cheat reality.

    I know I may regret this.

    But, can you elaborate a little bit.

    The sentences said a few things but I think clarity and specifics would be very helpful.

    Thanks!

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    The Verge is a hyper ideological outlet. They even managed to make instructions how to put a computer together to make a political item. How thet did it, they made an idiotic video by a I guy that did gave such idiotic instructions that a lot of computer and nerds channels made fun of it. And what happened The Verge didn't admit, yep we make a ridilucous video with foolish instructions. But instead went fully political. They went after the channels that pointed out the (dangerous) mistakes in the video and ordered takedown requests by Google because, yes believe it or not: the guy who presented the ridiculous video was a person of color, so all critique and poking fun and the idiotic mistakes in the video was racism. And for a big part they succeeded in their takedown accounts and had even whole YT channels taken down of people making fun or pointing to the dangerous advice The Verge gave.

  • @EyeOhEss said:

    @kobamoto said:
    as long as youtube keeps it's grubby little hands off of the sound testroom it'll all work out

    Haha :)

    Yeah I think the trouble is that a lot of people are acting like YouTube is ‘theirs’. Like they voted for or they paid for it or like they’ve done YouTube a bigger favour than YouTube have done them.....At least in the video linked in this thread...
    But YouTube has no obligation to anyone except YouTube. It’s kind of Users’ Freedom Of Speech vs YouTube’s Freedom Of Will. But the former doesn’t really have a case here...Those creators/influencers are playing in someone else’s garden, and they asked to be allowed in...Their garden, their rules. Expecting/demanding anything else is naive/self-important beyond words imho.

    Also (as a parent myself) I’m quietly glad that something so huge and easily accessed (no login etc needed...) is potentially being kind of ‘disneyfied’ (as one of the people in the video put it...) and veering toward super politically correct. There are plenty of other places to go online for ‘real’ talk, subversive humour etc etc...

    Unfortunately, the majority of YT users are not aware of the way things are slanted and censored in regard to the "protection" YT provides.

    Although, I have heard of a new Google whistleblower exposing some internal policies at YT and Google within the week.

  • The only thing that could make this app perfect is an Ableton type grid .....unless it has it and I didn't find it in my one night using it...

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  • @EyeOhEss said:

    @kobamoto said:
    as long as youtube keeps it's grubby little hands off of the sound testroom it'll all work out

    Haha :)

    Yeah I think the trouble is that a lot of people are acting like YouTube is ‘theirs’. Like they voted for or they paid for it or like they’ve done YouTube a bigger favour than YouTube have done them.....At least in the video linked in this thread...
    But YouTube has no obligation to anyone except YouTube. It’s kind of Users’ Freedom Of Speech vs YouTube’s Freedom Of Will. But the former doesn’t really have a case here...Those creators/influencers are playing in someone else’s garden, and they asked to be allowed in...Their garden, their rules. Expecting/demanding anything else is naive/self-important beyond words imho.

    Also (as a parent myself) I’m quietly glad that something so huge and easily accessed (no login etc needed...) is potentially being kind of ‘disneyfied’ (as one of the people in the video put it...) and veering toward super politically correct. There are plenty of other places to go online for ‘real’ talk, subversive humour etc etc...

    yes there are many a prophecy of how Disney will destroy the world, but it's not Disney trying to keep me from making it home alive everyday so I'll take my chances lol

  • @RUST( i )K said:
    The only thing that could make this app perfect is an Ableton type grid .....unless it has it and I didn't find it in my one night using it...

    although I know not of which app you speak I whole heartedly concur that an ableton type grid is exactly what this app needs!!!

  • @kobamoto said:

    @RUST( i )K said:
    The only thing that could make this app perfect is an Ableton type grid .....unless it has it and I didn't find it in my one night using it...

    although I know not of which app you speak I whole heartedly concur that an ableton type grid is exactly what this app needs!!!

    LOL

  • Telling people to just create their own YouTube if they don’t like the existing one seems pretty ridiculous. These people make videos, not tech companies, right?

    My understanding is YouTube is not censoring or taking down objectionable videos, but are demonetizing videos so they can’t generate money from advertising. The reason youtubers are upset is there is no clear guideline on what would make a particular video not suitable for advertising. These same types of videos used to generate revenue, but now they get demonetized.

    It reminds me of the AppStore, rejecting AU apps when they approved them every time before. That stuff is very frustrating, but if you don’t like it, hey, just go build your own AppStore, you dumb crybaby.

    And you LGBTQ peeps need to learn to bake your own damn wedding cakes.
    And all you minorities and females need to start your own damn Country Clubs, too.
    And all you disabled need to learn how to climb a staircase. I am opposed to ramps, on principle. Because this shit is mine, so everyone who doesn’t like it can go off and make their own.

    (Yeah, I actually think the opposite of this. But I was really trying to go “total asshole” here)

    :)

  • @EyeOhEss said:

    @ecou said:

    @Prog1967 said:

    Why don't they build their own platform? Youtube can have the worst rules and if I feel that it is not for me I will go somewhere else. People tend to complain a lot about things that are not going their way instead of doing something. In the end, is easier to complain and expect things to change by just complaining and doing nothing else. I am not saying that they don't have the right to express their opinions but action speaks louder. Many great ideas are developed by people that do not agree with how things are actually being done. No company is stronger than the masses, anything can happen through the man who has the strength to go ahead doing instead of talking.

    Did you watch the video till the end?

    They are saying exactly that. THey were waiting for a proper platform to leave and it is here now.

    It’s called LBRY.

    I’d guess 99% of YouTube users don’t/won’t care about any of this, none of it really effects them....there’ll always be other content to kill time watching, (or they don’t ‘expect’ to earn money from their uploads), and they don’t really need or wish for a YouTube alternative?.....it’s probably a SUPER tiny percentage of the overall YouTube uploaders/viewers that are even aware of these kind of discussions....Subsequently I can’t really see LBRY ever becoming something significant. It’s something that’s claiming to fix something that just isn’t broken for the huge majority of users...Admittedly that’s total guesswork. Maybe I’m wrong.

    But for most people I think YouTube is just a tool for sharing media and self-promotion...for most people using it to upload videos. A free tool. Trying to get paid from it is fine, but not something I feel like can be demanded. It’s like ‘hey, YouTube gave me this tool so I can reach a lot of people for free. I reached a lot of people. Now I want them to pay me because I reached a lot of people’. Sorry but it’s Youtube’s house, they make the rules. I wish EVERYONE got paid for everything, but it’s unrealistic.

    Most of the ‘personality’/‘influencer’ creator content (the people that seem to be complaining the loudest about not getting paid like in the linked video posted in this thread...) is just like watching pretty bad disposable TV..Or reading a really shallow, lightly researched magazine article. And most of the people doing it are almost totally interchangeable/disposable... Yeah, sure a lot of them have a bunch of subscribers, but subscribing to a channel is easy and costs nothing. I wonder how many of those subscribers would actually choose to pay for the content of those channels (which is what happens on LBRY right? It’s kinda like Patreon vibes? Crypto donations?)...gotta be a very small percentage by my estimation? Otherwise all these content creators would already be hammering revenue from Patreon etc and there’d be no major issue for them?

    Internet/media/getting paid for ‘art’ or ‘information’ is a total mess in 2019 but there’s no solution as far as I can see, without turning the whole thing off and going back to MTV, Record stores, physical print etc. Which wouldn’t be such a bad thing in my mind, but we’re too far gone...

    You are completely out of the loop about this debate or your trying to troll people. Either way is not worth my time.

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  • @EyeOhEss said:

    @CracklePot said:
    Telling people to just create their own YouTube if they don’t like the existing one seems pretty ridiculous. These people make videos, not tech companies, right?

    My understanding is YouTube is not censoring or taking down objectionable videos, but are demonetizing videos so they can’t generate money from advertising. The reason youtubers are upset is there is no clear guideline on what would make a particular video not suitable for advertising. These same types of videos used to generate revenue, but now they get demonetized.

    It reminds me of the AppStore, rejecting AU apps when they approved them every time before. That stuff is very frustrating, but if you don’t like it, hey, just go build your own AppStore, you dumb crybaby.

    And you LGBTQ peeps need to learn to bake your own damn wedding cakes.
    And all you minorities and females need to start your own damn Country Clubs, too.
    And all you disabled need to learn how to climb a staircase. I am opposed to ramps, on principle. Because this shit is mine, so everyone who doesn’t like it can go off and make their own.

    (Yeah, I actually think the opposite of this. But I was really trying to go “total asshole” here)

    :)

    Success, congratulations.

    Thanks!
    :D

  • @EyeOhEss
    Oh wait, you are out of the loop or trolling, aren’t you?
    :D

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  • Would everyone be ok if your mobile carrier cancelled your account because they didn’t agree with the subject matter of your phone call, or didn't like where you worked, or who you associated with? How about your bank? Private corporations can blacklist you for liking a political candidate, yes? This is all ok with the ‘private company’ argument. Silencing anyone’s opinions is wrong, period.

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    @CracklePot said:
    Telling people to just create their own YouTube if they don’t like the existing one seems pretty ridiculous. These people make videos, not tech companies, right?

    My understanding is YouTube is not censoring or taking down objectionable videos, but are demonetizing videos so they can’t generate money from advertising. The reason youtubers are upset is there is no clear guideline on what would make a particular video not suitable for advertising. These same types of videos used to generate revenue, but now they get demonetized.

    It reminds me of the AppStore, rejecting AU apps when they approved them every time before. That stuff is very frustrating, but if you don’t like it, hey, just go build your own AppStore, you dumb crybaby.

    And you LGBTQ peeps need to learn to bake your own damn wedding cakes.
    And all you minorities and females need to start your own damn Country Clubs, too.
    And all you disabled need to learn how to climb a staircase. I am opposed to ramps, on principle. Because this shit is mine, so everyone who doesn’t like it can go off and make their own.

    (Yeah, I actually think the opposite of this. But I was really trying to go “total asshole” here)

    :)

    like I'm sure you've heard me say before it's true that False Equivalency is the fastest growing religion in the world today.

    lgbtq, women, and minorities can't tell you what to do in your own house, and the law says you don't have to bake anybody cakes in your own house if you don't want to. Now in the local Library that's a different story. Here Is the hard cold fact, no one is entitled to YouTube, if you don't like Youtube you do need to build your own tube no matter how much un-tech savvy you might be or find a Tube that you like that also likes you.

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    @EyeOhEss said:

    @ecou said:

    @EyeOhEss said:

    @ecou said:

    @Prog1967 said:

    I’d guess 99% of YouTube users don’t/won’t care about any of this, none of it really effects them....there’ll always be other content to kill time watching, (or they don’t ‘expect’ to earn money from their uploads), and they don’t really need or wish for a YouTube alternative?.....it’s probably a SUPER tiny percentage of the overall YouTube uploaders/viewers that are even aware of these kind of discussions....Subsequently I can’t really see LBRY ever becoming something significant. It’s something that’s claiming to fix something that just isn’t broken for the huge majority of users...Admittedly that’s total guesswork. Maybe I’m wrong.

    But for most people I think YouTube is just a tool for sharing media and self-promotion...for most people using it to upload videos. A free tool. Trying to get paid from it is fine, but not something I feel like can be demanded. It’s like ‘hey, YouTube gave me this tool so I can reach a lot of people for free. I reached a lot of people. Now I want them to pay me because I reached a lot of people’. Sorry but it’s Youtube’s house, they make the rules. I wish EVERYONE got paid for everything, but it’s unrealistic.

    Most of the ‘personality’/‘influencer’ creator content (the people that seem to be complaining the loudest about not getting paid like in the linked video posted in this thread...) is just like watching pretty bad disposable TV..Or reading a really shallow, lightly researched magazine article. And most of the people doing it are almost totally interchangeable/disposable... Yeah, sure a lot of them have a bunch of subscribers, but subscribing to a channel is easy and costs nothing. I wonder how many of those subscribers would actually choose to pay for the content of those channels (which is what happens on LBRY right? It’s kinda like Patreon vibes? Crypto donations?)...gotta be a very small percentage by my estimation? Otherwise all these content creators would already be hammering revenue from Patreon etc and there’d be no major issue for them?

    Internet/media/getting paid for ‘art’ or ‘information’ is a total mess in 2019 but there’s no solution as far as I can see, without turning the whole thing off and going back to MTV, Record stores, physical print etc. Which wouldn’t be such a bad thing in my mind, but we’re too far gone...

    You are completely out of the loop about this debate or your trying to troll people. Either way is not worth my time.

    There is no debate. YouTube can do what they like. If content makers don’t like it then go elsewhere. If YouTube is evil propaganda, don’t use it. Simple.

    I’m sorry my post wasn’t worth your time. Sadly throwaway forum posts aren’t

    So I guess you are no trolling. That’s what I was trying to figure out. Good to know 😃

    Most content producer have been affected by this. If you have been watching YouTube in the last 6 months to a year then you can’t not have hear about this. Many you tube watcher are backing their favorite youtuber with money. So your 99% theory that people don’t care or are not affected don’t make sense.

    Do you remember YouTube before content creator started producing interesting content? I do, it was all kitten and belly flop video. Youtuber have helped built up YouTube. As I said previously this as brought tons of money for Google thru their advertising business. So the story is not as simple as saying « Stop complaining ».

    Will LBRY succeed ? Who knows. But lots of people myself included are preferring watching real content made by youtuber rather then watching another boring cop show. I have disconnected my cable over 5 yrs ago.

  • @jenkweb said:
    Would everyone be ok if your mobile carrier cancelled your account because they didn’t agree with the subject matter of your phone call, or didn't like where you worked, or who you associated with? How about your bank? Private corporations can blacklist you for liking a political candidate, yes? This is all ok with the ‘private company’ argument. Silencing anyone’s opinions is wrong, period.

    there Is a time and a place for everything, but every time and every place is not that time and place. You would have to dissolve the act of 'Ownership' completely for that to be acceptable in a society... I don't think anybody of any persuasion is willing to give up the (rights) to ownership.

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    @EyeOhEss said:

    @CracklePot said:
    Telling people to just create their own YouTube if they don’t like the existing one seems pretty ridiculous. These people make videos, not tech companies, right?

    My understanding is YouTube is not censoring or taking down objectionable videos, but are demonetizing videos so they can’t generate money from advertising. The reason youtubers are upset is there is no clear guideline on what would make a particular video not suitable for advertising. These same types of videos used to generate revenue, but now they get demonetized.

    It reminds me of the AppStore, rejecting AU apps when they approved them every time before. That stuff is very frustrating, but if you don’t like it, hey, just go build your own AppStore, you dumb crybaby.

    And you LGBTQ peeps need to learn to bake your own damn wedding cakes.
    And all you minorities and females need to start your own damn Country Clubs, too.
    And all you disabled need to learn how to climb a staircase. I am opposed to ramps, on principle. Because this shit is mine, so everyone who doesn’t like it can go off and make their own.

    (Yeah, I actually think the opposite of this. But I was really trying to go “total asshole” here)

    :)

    Success, congratulations.

    If their content is so great, host it anywhere and charge for it. But odds are that it isn’t...

    If you're discussing groups of like-minded individuals who are trying to influence others to adopt new beliefs. Social media has become a very powerful platform for orchestrating initiatives that utilize "social reinforcement learning".

    Groups who are aware of the influential powers of "Crowd Psychology", understand that they have a greater chance of having others adopt their ideas, if they can make it appear that a great multitude of others already support their specific views. Some allegedly use Bots to create the illusion that great numbers of other people are already in agreement with their views.

    ...Begin Tangent...

    As a horse trainer I use social reinforcement learning for training horses all the time. Young horses learn new behaviors from the older horses in the herd they are placed within. That way I can save time teaching a young horse the manners they need to be good safe horses for people to handle and ride. They see how the older well trained horses accept people as leaders, and because horses are instinctively predisposition to form dominance hierarchies. The young horse will tend to adopt the preexisting dominance hierarchy of the herd. Of course horses will challenge each other for rank in herd pecking order, but a good horse trainer knows how to swiftly deal with any horses who "dares" to become dominant over a human.

    That's just one tool in the toolbox of a horse trainer. Most of what we do is one on one training using a lot of repetition/reward training methodologies.

    But, say I have a field hunter in training that's afraid of jumping a particular fence. I can ask another rider to assist me by riding in front of me on a horse that is not afraid of that jump. So we both approach the jump with the brave horse in the lead, and when my horse sees the brave horse jump without fear, they usually follow along and jump it bravely as well.

    Some trainers might use a crop to encourage that horse over that jump, and sometimes that is the right call for a particular horse/situation. But it provides a far more positive, and kinder training experience to build trust and confidence with in horse by training with the lease degree of punishment. It's better to build upon good behavior by rewarding good behavior, than it is to punishing a horse for undesirable behaviors... Although sometimes punishment is called for when the situation calls for it.

    ...Tangent over...

    Here's some stuff from Wikipedia:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crowd_psychology

    "Crowd psychology, also known as mob psychology, is a branch of social psychology. Social psychologists have developed several theories for explaining the ways in which the psychology of a crowd differs from and interacts with that of the individuals within it. Major theorists in crowd psychology include Gustave Le Bon, Gabriel Tarde, Sigmund Freud, and Steve Reicher. This field relates to the behaviors and thought processes of both the individual crowd members and the crowd as an entity.[1] Crowd behavior is heavily influenced by the loss of responsibility of the individual and the impression of universality of behavior, both of which increase with crowd size."

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  • @EyeOhEss said:

    @horsetrainer said:

    @EyeOhEss said:

    @CracklePot said:
    Telling people to just create their own YouTube if they don’t like the existing one seems pretty ridiculous. These people make videos, not tech companies, right?

    My understanding is YouTube is not censoring or taking down objectionable videos, but are demonetizing videos so they can’t generate money from advertising. The reason youtubers are upset is there is no clear guideline on what would make a particular video not suitable for advertising. These same types of videos used to generate revenue, but now they get demonetized.

    It reminds me of the AppStore, rejecting AU apps when they approved them every time before. That stuff is very frustrating, but if you don’t like it, hey, just go build your own AppStore, you dumb crybaby.

    And you LGBTQ peeps need to learn to bake your own damn wedding cakes.
    And all you minorities and females need to start your own damn Country Clubs, too.
    And all you disabled need to learn how to climb a staircase. I am opposed to ramps, on principle. Because this shit is mine, so everyone who doesn’t like it can go off and make their own.

    (Yeah, I actually think the opposite of this. But I was really trying to go “total asshole” here)

    :)

    Success, congratulations.

    If their content is so great, host it anywhere and charge for it. But odds are that it isn’t...

    If you're discussing groups of like-minded individuals who are trying to influence others to adopt new beliefs. Social media has become a very powerful platform for orchestrating initiatives that utilize "social reinforcement learning".

    Groups who are aware of the influential powers of "Crowd Psychology", understand that they have a greater chance of having others adopt their ideas, if they can make is appear that a great multitude of others already support their specific views. Some allegedly use Bots to create the illusion that great numbers of other people are already in agreement with their views.

    ...Begin Tangent...

    As a horse trainer I use social reinforcement learning to training horses all the time. Young horses learn new behaviors from the older horses in the herd they are placed within. That way I can save time teaching a young horse the manners they need to be good safe horses for people to handle and ride. They see how the older well trained horses accept people as leaders, and because horses are instinctively predisposition to form dominance hierarchies. The young horse will tend to adopt the preexisting dominance hierarchy of the herd. Of course horses will challenge each other for rank in herd pecking order, but a good horse trainer knows how to swiftly deal with any horses who "dares" to become dominant over a human.

    That's just one tool in the toolbox of a horse trainer. Most of what we do is one on one training using a lot of repetition/reward training methodologies.

    But, say I have a field hunter in training that's afraid of jumping a particular fence. I can ask another rider to assist me by riding in front of me on a horse that is not afraid of that jump. So we both approach the jump with the brave horse in the lead, and when my horse sees the brave horse jump without fear, they usually follow along and jump it bravely as well.

    Some trainers might use a crop to encourage that horse over that jump, and sometimes that is the right call for a particular horse/situation. But it provides a far more positive, and kinder training experience to build trust and confidence with in horse by training with the lease degree of punishment. It's better to build upon good behavior by rewarding good behavior, than it is to punishing a horse for undesirable behaviors... Although sometimes punishment is called for when the situation calls for it.

    ...Tangent over...

    Here some stuff from Wikipedia:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crowd_psychology

    "Crowd psychology, also known as mob psychology, is a branch of social psychology. Social psychologists have developed several theories for explaining the ways in which the psychology of a crowd differs from and interacts with that of the individuals within it. Major theorists in crowd psychology include Gustave Le Bon, Gabriel Tarde, Sigmund Freud, and Steve Reicher. This field relates to the behaviors and thought processes of both the individual crowd members and the crowd as an entity.[1] Crowd behavior is heavily influenced by the loss of responsibility of the individual and the impression of universality of behavior, both of which increase with crowd size."

    By this rationale every single video on YouTube should be entirely indiscriminate and pro all sides of an argument? When thinking of each video as a self contained media entity, does each one not have the same responsibility that you feel YouTube has? It’s fine to be idealistic about things, but if so then why start/stop at YouTube? Why not also aim this thinking at each and every video that a user makes that is broadcast on such a huge platform?

    It should have like a .....
    a..
    a..

    um...
    FAIRNESS DOCTRINE....gags.....coughs.....laughs......

  • @EyeOhEss said:

    @horsetrainer said:

    @EyeOhEss said:

    @CracklePot said:
    Telling people to just create their own YouTube if they don’t like the existing one seems pretty ridiculous. These people make videos, not tech companies, right?

    My understanding is YouTube is not censoring or taking down objectionable videos, but are demonetizing videos so they can’t generate money from advertising. The reason youtubers are upset is there is no clear guideline on what would make a particular video not suitable for advertising. These same types of videos used to generate revenue, but now they get demonetized.

    It reminds me of the AppStore, rejecting AU apps when they approved them every time before. That stuff is very frustrating, but if you don’t like it, hey, just go build your own AppStore, you dumb crybaby.

    And you LGBTQ peeps need to learn to bake your own damn wedding cakes.
    And all you minorities and females need to start your own damn Country Clubs, too.
    And all you disabled need to learn how to climb a staircase. I am opposed to ramps, on principle. Because this shit is mine, so everyone who doesn’t like it can go off and make their own.

    (Yeah, I actually think the opposite of this. But I was really trying to go “total asshole” here)

    :)

    Success, congratulations.

    If their content is so great, host it anywhere and charge for it. But odds are that it isn’t...

    If you're discussing groups of like-minded individuals who are trying to influence others to adopt new beliefs. Social media has become a very powerful platform for orchestrating initiatives that utilize "social reinforcement learning".

    Groups who are aware of the influential powers of "Crowd Psychology", understand that they have a greater chance of having others adopt their ideas, if they can make is appear that a great multitude of others already support their specific views. Some allegedly use Bots to create the illusion that great numbers of other people are already in agreement with their views.

    ...Begin Tangent...

    As a horse trainer I use social reinforcement learning to training horses all the time. Young horses learn new behaviors from the older horses in the herd they are placed within. That way I can save time teaching a young horse the manners they need to be good safe horses for people to handle and ride. They see how the older well trained horses accept people as leaders, and because horses are instinctively predisposition to form dominance hierarchies. The young horse will tend to adopt the preexisting dominance hierarchy of the herd. Of course horses will challenge each other for rank in herd pecking order, but a good horse trainer knows how to swiftly deal with any horses who "dares" to become dominant over a human.

    That's just one tool in the toolbox of a horse trainer. Most of what we do is one on one training using a lot of repetition/reward training methodologies.

    But, say I have a field hunter in training that's afraid of jumping a particular fence. I can ask another rider to assist me by riding in front of me on a horse that is not afraid of that jump. So we both approach the jump with the brave horse in the lead, and when my horse sees the brave horse jump without fear, they usually follow along and jump it bravely as well.

    Some trainers might use a crop to encourage that horse over that jump, and sometimes that is the right call for a particular horse/situation. But it provides a far more positive, and kinder training experience to build trust and confidence with in horse by training with the lease degree of punishment. It's better to build upon good behavior by rewarding good behavior, than it is to punishing a horse for undesirable behaviors... Although sometimes punishment is called for when the situation calls for it.

    ...Tangent over...

    Here some stuff from Wikipedia:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crowd_psychology

    "Crowd psychology, also known as mob psychology, is a branch of social psychology. Social psychologists have developed several theories for explaining the ways in which the psychology of a crowd differs from and interacts with that of the individuals within it. Major theorists in crowd psychology include Gustave Le Bon, Gabriel Tarde, Sigmund Freud, and Steve Reicher. This field relates to the behaviors and thought processes of both the individual crowd members and the crowd as an entity.[1] Crowd behavior is heavily influenced by the loss of responsibility of the individual and the impression of universality of behavior, both of which increase with crowd size."

    By this rationale every single video on YouTube should be entirely indiscriminate and pro all sides of an argument? When thinking of each video as a self contained media entity, does each one not have the same responsibility that you feel YouTube has? It’s fine to be idealistic about things, but if so then why start/stop at YouTube? Why not also aim this thinking at each and every video that a user makes that is broadcast on such a huge platform?

    I'm not saying what "should be", I'm saying what I think "just might be the most likely explanation for the way it is".

    I was understanding this thread to be about Youtube regulating specific forms of expression prohibited by their "Policies"?

    I was attempting to provide a reason why certain individuals on Youtube don't like having their views regulated, and why they rather stay on youtube than create their own means of distributing videos on the internet.

    I'm making the point that taking advantage of neurobiological tendencies of the human mind which can be "exploited" for influencing thoughts and beliefs, is one way groups attempt to convince others of the validity of specific kinds of ideas.

    Apparently, major news organizations in the USA have been accused of publishing biased content too.

  • @kobamoto said:

    @CracklePot said:
    Telling people to just create their own YouTube if they don’t like the existing one seems pretty ridiculous. These people make videos, not tech companies, right?

    My understanding is YouTube is not censoring or taking down objectionable videos, but are demonetizing videos so they can’t generate money from advertising. The reason youtubers are upset is there is no clear guideline on what would make a particular video not suitable for advertising. These same types of videos used to generate revenue, but now they get demonetized.

    It reminds me of the AppStore, rejecting AU apps when they approved them every time before. That stuff is very frustrating, but if you don’t like it, hey, just go build your own AppStore, you dumb crybaby.

    And you LGBTQ peeps need to learn to bake your own damn wedding cakes.
    And all you minorities and females need to start your own damn Country Clubs, too.
    And all you disabled need to learn how to climb a staircase. I am opposed to ramps, on principle. Because this shit is mine, so everyone who doesn’t like it can go off and make their own.

    (Yeah, I actually think the opposite of this. But I was really trying to go “total asshole” here)

    :)

    like I'm sure you've heard me say before it's true that False Equivalency is the fastest growing religion in the world today.

    lgbtq, women, and minorities can't tell you what to do in your own house, and the law says you don't have to bake anybody cakes in your own house if you don't want to. Now in the local Library that's a different story. Here Is the hard cold fact, no one is entitled to YouTube, if you don't like Youtube you do need to build your own tube no matter how much un-tech savvy you might be or find a Tube that you like that also likes you.

    Your house = your business is a false equivalency.

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