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The Death of Melody (YouTube Docu)

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  • greengrocergreengrocer

    @Jocphone said:
    I thought the original video was a flimsy argument bordering on clickbait.

    This related video, however, makes some quite interesting points:

    Thanks! interesting :)

  • SamuSamu

    @haulin_notes said:
    In a slight though related tangent... one could say that the “rhythm” part of the equation mentioned in the video isn’t doing very well lately. Personally, in recent pop music very few beats will even get my toes a-tappin’. Trap beats were interesting... until they became cliche. Rap beats have become deadly serious and no fun. Plenty of current “ethnic” music that still swings, thank goodness. Even previously lively country rhythms are flatlining:

    Lol, totally annoying snap, snap, snap :D

  • haulin_noteshaulin_notes

    @Samu
    Yes, totally! Listening to that may cause one’s mind to “snap”. 😝

  • SamuSamu

    @haulin_notes said:
    @Samu
    Yes, totally! Listening to that may cause one’s mind to “snap”. 😝

    Every genre has it's annoyances.

    I'm also super allergic to limiter and side-chain abuse in certain genres where the pumping triggers my vomit reflexes...

  • haulin_noteshaulin_notes

    To go a bit “meta” for a moment... There seems to be (for over the last 15 years) a growing Spartan aesthetic growing in our culture at large. Probably the result of wars and economic troubles, one could propose. Sparse, hard, cool, camo, no-nonsense. I watch cars and trucks drive past my house, and notice the vehicles’ color... or lack thereof. It’s a monochromatic parade. Grey, silver, black, white cars. An occasional dark red one for a slight variation. Then more monochrome monotony. Most with fierce intimidating looking headlights. (What’s that about? Even the newer VW Beetles look pissed-off!)

    Maybe the recent surge in popularity of unicorns and rainbows is a counter-reaction to the Spartan ascetic aesthetic. 🌈🦄😋

  • AudioGusAudioGus

    ‘Oh no, the most popular stuff being made right now does not appeal to me. A shame that there is no facility for listening to music from the past.’

  • buskerbusker

    @supadom said:

    Yes, I do accasionally get a glimpse of what you're talking about in YouTube adverts before I skip them.

    You need a decent adblocker, friend. I haven’t seen a YouTube ad in years.

  • audio_DTaudio_DT

    @LinearLineman said:
    Let it die. Ooommmmm.

    :smiley:

  • AudioGusAudioGus
    edited August 2019

    @busker said:

    @supadom said:

    Yes, I do accasionally get a glimpse of what you're talking about in YouTube adverts before I skip them.

    You need a decent adblocker, friend. I haven’t seen a YouTube ad in years.

    Found the desktopper... no such tricks on the iOS app. It is our lot in life to suffer.

  • LucidMusicIncLucidMusicInc
    edited August 2019

    I am a hardcore techno/electronic/house freak and I can listen to some weird sounding glitchy sampled repetitive stuff and enjoy it plenty. But since Skrillex and this Future Bass phenomenon, the EDM that plays in bars and in people's lifestyle vlogs feels like it's wearing down my soul. If I had a choice between someone scratching their nails on a chalkboard for an hour or an hour of Future Bass, I'm not sure which I'd choose.

  • UnoWooUnoWoo

    @LucidMusicInc said:
    If I had a choice between someone scratching their nails on a chalkboard for an hour or an hour of Future Bass, I'm not sure which I'd choose.

    Maybe nails scratching future bass. Different sound. :)

  • CracklePotCracklePot

    @haulin_notes said:
    In a slight though related tangent... one could say that the “rhythm” part of the equation mentioned in the video isn’t doing very well lately. Personally, in recent pop music very few beats will even get my toes a-tappin’. Trap beats were interesting... until they became cliche. Rap beats have become deadly serious and no fun. Plenty of current “ethnic” music that still swings, thank goodness. Even previously lively country rhythms are flatlining:

    Even worse video for ‘old is better’.
    I am not even sure what this dude’s point is.
    He doesn’t like the timbre of the snap sound?
    Seriously, the very few examples he showed to illustrate ‘good’ country all had the same simple backbeat.
    He criticizes the rhythm as too boring, then says the simpler rhythm is stealing attention away from the singer.
    He then suggests leaving out the percussion section entirely, and create the same backbeat accents on different instruments.
    Seems this simple beat has always been a prominent feature of country music, with the lack of drums and audiences clapping along.
    Maybe he just notices it more now because the backbeat is being accented with a sound he doesn’t like.

    Anyway, I blame Lorde and her track ‘Royals’.
    :)

  • buskerbusker

    @AudioGus said:

    @busker said:

    @supadom said:

    Yes, I do accasionally get a glimpse of what you're talking about in YouTube adverts before I skip them.

    You need a decent adblocker, friend. I haven’t seen a YouTube ad in years.

    Found the desktopper... no such tricks on the iOS app. It is our lot in life to suffer.

    Well then, I have great news for you!

    I’ve used Purify ad blocker for iOS since it came out years ago, and haven’t seen a YouTube ad in mobile Safari since then :)

    I shudder to think of the precious hours of life being wasted by people who aren’t aware of this!

  • CracklePotCracklePot
    edited August 2019

    @busker said:

    @AudioGus said:

    @busker said:

    @supadom said:

    Yes, I do accasionally get a glimpse of what you're talking about in YouTube adverts before I skip them.

    You need a decent adblocker, friend. I haven’t seen a YouTube ad in years.

    Found the desktopper... no such tricks on the iOS app. It is our lot in life to suffer.

    Well then, I have great news for you!

    I’ve used Purify ad blocker for iOS since it came out years ago, and haven’t seen a YouTube ad in mobile Safari since then :)

    I shudder to think of the precious hours of life being wasted by people who aren’t aware of this!

    Lol, that would be me.
    So you watch YouTube through Safari for this to work?

  • AudioGusAudioGus

    @busker said:

    @AudioGus said:

    @busker said:

    @supadom said:

    Yes, I do accasionally get a glimpse of what you're talking about in YouTube adverts before I skip them.

    You need a decent adblocker, friend. I haven’t seen a YouTube ad in years.

    Found the desktopper... no such tricks on the iOS app. It is our lot in life to suffer.

    Well then, I have great news for you!

    I’ve used Purify ad blocker for iOS since it came out years ago, and haven’t seen a YouTube ad in mobile Safari since then :)

    I shudder to think of the precious hours of life being wasted by people who aren’t aware of this!

    Eeeeeentoresting... will eeeeenvestigate... thanks! :)

  • mannixmannix
    edited August 2019

    @CracklePot said:

    @haulin_notes said:
    In a slight though related tangent... one could say that the “rhythm” part of the equation mentioned in the video isn’t doing very well lately. Personally, in recent pop music very few beats will even get my toes a-tappin’. Trap beats were interesting... until they became cliche. Rap beats have become deadly serious and no fun. Plenty of current “ethnic” music that still swings, thank goodness. Even previously lively country rhythms are flatlining:

    Even worse video for ‘old is better’.
    I am not even sure what this dude’s point is.
    He doesn’t like the timbre of the snap sound?
    Seriously, the very few examples he showed to illustrate ‘good’ country all had the same simple backbeat.
    He criticizes the rhythm as too boring, then says the simpler rhythm is stealing attention away from the singer.
    He then suggests leaving out the percussion section entirely, and create the same backbeat accents on different instruments.
    Seems this simple beat has always been a prominent feature of country music, with the lack of drums and audiences clapping along.
    Maybe he just notices it more now because the backbeat is being accented with a sound he doesn’t like.

    Anyway, I blame Lorde and her track ‘Royals’.
    :)

    On forehand he says he doesn't know the solution. He only says that Country starts more and more to sound like ordinary popmusic. Than he says country songs are about telling (real life) stories and that a dominant beat distracts from the story. He has of course some interesting remarks, but all the examples/ suggestions he comes up with are not really strong. So I agree with you that it more or less looks that his views look regressive. Problem for me is that I really don't know much about country music and the tendencies in that genre. But see his point that his beloved Country music start to diverge into ordinary popmusic. Would like to have seen real examples of innovative contemporary Country.

  • buskerbusker

    @CracklePot said:

    @busker said:

    @AudioGus said:

    @busker said:

    @supadom said:

    Yes, I do accasionally get a glimpse of what you're talking about in YouTube adverts before I skip them.

    You need a decent adblocker, friend. I haven’t seen a YouTube ad in years.

    Found the desktopper... no such tricks on the iOS app. It is our lot in life to suffer.

    Well then, I have great news for you!

    I’ve used Purify ad blocker for iOS since it came out years ago, and haven’t seen a YouTube ad in mobile Safari since then :)

    I shudder to think of the precious hours of life being wasted by people who aren’t aware of this!

    Lol, that would be me.
    So you watch YouTube through Safari for this to work?

    Right, I forgot that there was a separate YouTube app.

    Personally, I’ve never found the need to leave the browser to view videos; it seems like a hassle to have to switch to another app every time.

  • girlvsworldgirlvsworld

    Hildegard of Bingen (1098-1179) -‘Her music is described as monophonic, that is, consisting of exactly one melodic line.’

  • mjcouchemjcouche

    @girlvsworld said:
    Hildegard of Bingen (1098-1179) -‘Her music is described as monophonic, that is, consisting of exactly one melodic line.’

    St. Hildegard of Bingen! How cool - did not know all this stuff about her. Thanks for piquing my interest!

  • CracklePotCracklePot

    @busker said:

    @CracklePot said:

    @busker said:

    @AudioGus said:

    @busker said:

    @supadom said:

    Yes, I do accasionally get a glimpse of what you're talking about in YouTube adverts before I skip them.

    You need a decent adblocker, friend. I haven’t seen a YouTube ad in years.

    Found the desktopper... no such tricks on the iOS app. It is our lot in life to suffer.

    Well then, I have great news for you!

    I’ve used Purify ad blocker for iOS since it came out years ago, and haven’t seen a YouTube ad in mobile Safari since then :)

    I shudder to think of the precious hours of life being wasted by people who aren’t aware of this!

    Lol, that would be me.
    So you watch YouTube through Safari for this to work?

    Right, I forgot that there was a separate YouTube app.

    Personally, I’ve never found the need to leave the browser to view videos; it seems like a hassle to have to switch to another app every time.

    Thanks for the tip. :)
    I grabbed the free app BlockBear and loaded up YouTube in Safari.
    My album playlist listening has been extremely more fluid and enjoyable.
    B)

  • buskerbusker

    @CracklePot said:

    @busker said:

    @CracklePot said:

    @busker said:

    @AudioGus said:

    @busker said:

    @supadom said:

    Yes, I do accasionally get a glimpse of what you're talking about in YouTube adverts before I skip them.

    You need a decent adblocker, friend. I haven’t seen a YouTube ad in years.

    Found the desktopper... no such tricks on the iOS app. It is our lot in life to suffer.

    Well then, I have great news for you!

    I’ve used Purify ad blocker for iOS since it came out years ago, and haven’t seen a YouTube ad in mobile Safari since then :)

    I shudder to think of the precious hours of life being wasted by people who aren’t aware of this!

    Lol, that would be me.
    So you watch YouTube through Safari for this to work?

    Right, I forgot that there was a separate YouTube app.

    Personally, I’ve never found the need to leave the browser to view videos; it seems like a hassle to have to switch to another app every time.

    Thanks for the tip. :)
    I grabbed the free app BlockBear and loaded up YouTube in Safari.
    My album playlist listening has been extremely more fluid and enjoyable.
    B)

    Nice! Yeah, there are probably other good options these days as well.

    One more tip:

    If you happen to be using an iPad for browsing, bookmark this link into your Safari favourites, and use it every time you go to YouTube:

    https://youtube.com/?app=desktop&persist_app=1&noapp=1

    This will let you use the desktop interface, which is a much nicer experience for larger devices.

  • supadomsupadom

    @busker said:

    @supadom said:

    Yes, I do accasionally get a glimpse of what you're talking about in YouTube adverts before I skip them.

    You need a decent adblocker, friend. I haven’t seen a YouTube ad in years.

    Got it cheers. Now I need one for Android.

  • Wrlds2ndBstGeoshredrWrlds2ndBstGeoshredr

    @CracklePot said:

    Even worse video for ‘old is better’.
    I am not even sure what this dude’s point is.
    He doesn’t like the timbre of the snap sound?
    Seriously, the very few examples he showed to illustrate ‘good’ country all had the same simple backbeat.
    He criticizes the rhythm as too boring, then says the simpler rhythm is stealing attention away from the singer.
    He then suggests leaving out the percussion section entirely, and create the same backbeat accents on different instruments.
    Seems this simple beat has always been a prominent feature of country music, with the lack of drums and audiences clapping along.
    Maybe he just notices it more now because the backbeat is being accented with a sound he doesn’t like.

    Good points. Mainstream country has been simple and formulaic since the 1950s. I'd rather listen to George Jones than these guys, but really his backing tracks weren't any more interesting than these. He did occasionally venture out of 4/4 though, which you won't hear nowadays:

  • Wrlds2ndBstGeoshredrWrlds2ndBstGeoshredr

    @girlvsworld said:
    Hildegard of Bingen (1098-1179) -‘Her music is described as monophonic, that is, consisting of exactly one melodic line.’

    They may have used drones occasionally. I don't know how HIP this is, but it sounds good:

  • at2at2

    This instrumental version sounds scary good to me

    The Kronos Quartet plays Hildegard von Bingen

  • horsetrainerhorsetrainer

    @haulin_notes said:
    To go a bit “meta” for a moment... There seems to be (for over the last 15 years) a growing Spartan aesthetic growing in our culture at large. Probably the result of wars and economic troubles, one could propose. Sparse, hard, cool, camo, no-nonsense. I watch cars and trucks drive past my house, and notice the vehicles’ color... or lack thereof. It’s a monochromatic parade. Grey, silver, black, white cars. An occasional dark red one for a slight variation. Then more monochrome monotony. Most with fierce intimidating looking headlights. (What’s that about? Even the newer VW Beetles look pissed-off!)

    Maybe the recent surge in popularity of unicorns and rainbows is a counter-reaction to the Spartan ascetic aesthetic. 🌈🦄😋

    That would be my guess. A mass production society, where people must behave in predictably repetitive ways in order to become an economically viable participant of the society, will likely have an effect over developmental psychology that may likely predispose the psyche to form a preference for predictably repetitive patterns.

  • WillWill

    If only we could get back to the melodic richness of rock and roll classics like "Louie Louie" and "I'm Waiting for the Man" or pop classics like "Oh Mickey" and "My Sharona".

    I do think it's kind of a shame that there aren't a ton of hits out there with vocal melodies like "Miss Otis Regrets" or "You Send Me" but that's news as old as Watergate.

    /my lawn, etc

  • at2at2

    What about all those 60's U.K. TV Spy Thriller Crime Shows always had great melodies
    Like this one

  • at2at2

    Jeez in the 60's John Barry could make a Shampoo Advert sound amazing

  • at2at2

    WTF happened to melody ...... sounds like a job for Dept.S

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