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When I complain it’s a direct result of being “promised” something that isn’t delivered. Don’t tell me “multiple instances” unless they can indeed run during the course of developing, recording and mixing without crashing every 272 seconds 😉. My iPad runs great for short, simple compositions and loops, then goes to crap (freezing, crashing, glitching) if I try to fully develop something with a large mixture of virtual instruments and audio like I would on a desktop.
But... my iPad is GREAT running one or two synths as a sound source for my midi keyboard. It’s GREAT for experiments and early song development and it is curiously more MOBILE than a laptop or desktop. It’s a great part of a music production whole. Why does it always have to be “Either/Or”?
Oh... and I was a spoilt brat before I got here. Of course I still am - nothing new 😜.
This topic (And the Pro Daw topic) comes up time and again. No, we are all individuals and iOS users aren't "becoming spoilt brats". The demographic as usual is much more complex than generalisations.
I am a business software developer by trade so I am probably a bit more sympathetic to these developers. Sometimes a change that seems simple is actually a huge pain in the @$$. The reverse is also sometimes true. There are many factors that control this. I can so how someone without an understanding of application development might be overly demanding. It's part of the territory though. You build an application to meet a need. You are basically saying "Hey buy this. It solves these problems". That's where individual perception enters into the equation. If you solicit feedback from your customer base you have to take the good and the bad.
Groan, you'll never get tons of attention trolling up a flame war with that attitude.
Of course it is human nature to think that the grass is always greener on the other side. Of course it is human nature to have people complain a lot about stuff that isn't really inflicting any serious effects on their lives (maybe and hopefully even a good sign, because it might point to the fact that they don't have too many really serious problems). And by realizing that, and the fact that I sometimes act like that myself, I don't think I will be too mad at those people.
But...
If someone can't stop complaining about the shortcomings and flaws of certain apps, about a lack of features in a certain iOS DAW, about occasional problems with the behaviour a certain app, an so on, then maybe, juuust maybe, that someone should consider the possibility that there is a totally different reason for the fact of not being able to make some decent music on his or her iOS device.
I know and sometimes use a saying, of which I don't know if there is an equivalent in english, but the translation would be like this: the biggest computer problem often sits in front of the keyboard. 😇
...I'm going to hide now.😎
+1.
It is a problem with the Chair to Keyboard interface !
Thank you! I didn't know that there is a technical term for this. 🤣
I agree with your sentiments on civility, but I cannot understand the fundamental comparison of what happens today with what happened 25 years ago.
So, what have we learnt? I guess it’s that you can please some of the people all of the time, you can please all of the people some of the time, but you can’t please all of the people all of the time.
Actually, this rule can be applied to all discussions carried out on the internet.
made my day
I'm seriously a happier person today than I was one year ago before I became a "music iOS user", so there is that. All thanks to those developers who bother to make these apps.
I have a thing in my pocket that I can make go bleep bloop anywhere I am now, and I like the noises I get plenty, even though I'm probably not going to make a super smash worldwide hit and be famous, maybe.
This.
If I recall correctly. Apple has made huge representations at recent Apple Worldwide Developers Conferences that iPad's are designed to be tools for "Creative" individuals.
And as I recall, it was Steve Jobs who introduced GarageBand back in 2007.
So if there are expectations for a better iPad for Music production, I'd say that Apple holds a degree of responsibility for setting those expectations.
Thanks to the "wayback machine" at web_archive_org, we can travel back in time to see what Apple said about IAA in 2013.
https://web.archive.org/web/20130619234640/https://developer.apple.com/ios7/
Quote:
"Inter-App Audio
Now your apps can make beautiful music together. With Inter-App Audio, apps can register their audio streams to share with other apps. For example, a series of apps could publish audio streams of instrument tracks while another uses the combination of these streams to compose a song. Inter-App Audio also provides for MIDI control of audio rendering, remotely launching other registered Inter-App Audio apps and more."
Are the "General We" wrong to believe that Apple led us to think that one of the "Apple's Sanctioned Uses" for iPad was for composing music?
But now we(g) hear that Inter-App audio is being "Depreciated", and I'm not yet aware of any information from Apple about some new feature that is going to act as a replacement for Inter-App audio, other than AU-v3.
It's still a mystery to me for how individual stand-alone Music Apps are going to "talk to each other" if IAA disappears completely.
So yeah... I think it's perfectly reasonable to base "expectations" for the future of iPadOS music making on what Apple has said, and provided in the past.
But if Apple has intentions of "kicking music creation off of iPadOS" in favor of some other "vision". I think it's reasonable to think Apple has a responsibility to warn iPadOS users... "If" at some at some point in the future, there will be an iPadOS update that may essentially "brick" a significant degree of an iPad's ability to be used as a music creation tool.
Was Apple's announcement that Inter-App audio is being Depreciated "that" warning?
I wish Apple would quit being so "Secretive" for once, and make some kind of official announcement to assure iPad/iOS musicians that Apple has no intentions of abandoning them.
should LPX come out for iOS in the future...anybody arguing against it now,
will absolutely look “the fool” for buying and installing it...you don’t need it after all.> @Simon said:
Ok, shoot.
Who stated logic on iOS is a should have or a right? Hahaha.
I think maybe, it could be that Apple touts the iPad as a computer replacement often on tv and in adverts, and yet it lacks computer level applications? I also believe consumers are excited by the fact that eventually that power will trickle its way to the mobile platform of the tablet and phone...and the dinosaur desktop/laptop will be out the door.
But if we went by the naysayers, we wouldn’t even be this far...I call this wright brothers syndrome
Developers are free to set the prices they want, we can choose to pay them or not.
Sometimes yes and sometimes we also lose apps quickly and never get an equivalent...it goes both ways.
Audio Units is the “new” bus in many ways...but the bus got us here and it should be celebrated...it is still good and I still ride it.
A standard should be instilled, then brat vs lazy dev can be gauged lmao...I’m kidding.
Delicious brats, peppers, shrooms, and beer..what a time to be alive!
It is important not to confuse iOS music users/makers with AB Music Forum members or posters (or any other music forum).
Posts on forums don't give a statistically meaningful representation of iOS music makers. They just don't. One may see a wide range of opinions but the statistical distribution is not representative.
Lots of music makers stick to apps that suit their needs and don't get all worked up about the classes of apps where another platform is a better fit for t
Thing is, though, it’s only because people demand more that more arrives. Developers make stuff when they think it will generate cash, so I’ve no problem with people making demands, even if on occasion those demands may seem excessive. The wheels of commerce stop for no one and are driven by one thing: profit. Therefore, the more people demonstrate that desktop software x or y will be worthwhile for developers to port o iOS, the more those developers will get on board. If everyone said, ‘I’m perfectly happy with everything currently available and oh so grateful to those selfless developers’, very little would get done. Yes, there is the odd developer who is in it for the love of it, and I love them for it. But the more sophisticated and professionalised the industry becomes, the more it’s simply cutthroat capitalism. In such an environment, company x will only produce product y when they’re sure there is a market for it.
I take issue with the question posed in this thread.
‘Becoming’...
There's different kinda folk here...
People that want to see iOS succeed and have great input on ways to make improvements to individual apps and the eco system as a whole..
They provide valuable input and feedback as well as help people that are struggling to figure out a work around our way to achieve the desired effect...
Then there are the people that hate on everything and no work around is good enough for them, no one can make them happy no matter how perfect things get..
I pay attention to the first genre of people here, the others I just scroll past and go about my day.
I don't call them spoiled brats or rip them for being douche bags.... It's hard to resist sometimes, but at the end of the day they aren't worth it.
I'll also use this space to say thanks to all of you who have helped me along the way, and a huge shout out to the devs, beta testers and great folk that participate in this community!
Kilroy was here...
+Yup
+Thanks
The list of free Daw you send are some very limited Daw. Trackition being the only exception. I been using tracking since v3.
I think you are just a cry baby who think more feature is gonna bring you more talent.
Ha - good comment! :-)
On reflection I think I perhaps should have titled this thread "Are some iOS music users becoming spoilt brats?"
Someone mentioned generalisation and they are right - it is unfair to lump the good with the bad.
Not heard from any developers yet. If any developers want to stay anonymous they can private message me with their thoughts. I will convey thoughts to the thread without revealing their identity.
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I would love to see a demo of multitrack audio editing on the Surface Go in Bitwig. From what I can piece together it may be really good for this. I’ve been really considering this for a while now.
I'm of the same mind as reasOne, ignoring what you feel the need to ignore is a small price to pay for the inclusivity and diversity of this forum which I think is it's strength. I learn so much from people of all ages and walks of life here, I think it's a goldmine, and for that I'm willing to forgive and overlook all of the folks who view the forum like it's some kind of Tinder for Developers and customers as sometimes I can't tell if some people are interested in dating a dev or the app the dev has created, or like they are here more for a dev to provide a hug they missed as a child rather than an app for a purchase price.... Like I said small price to pay.
I want beat machines, and I want to pay for them with money, not hugs cause I might not get proper midi with a hug.
Such a click bait thread... I have to feed the trolls. No all IOS “music users” are not becoming “spoilt brats”, only SOME of the posters on this forum. Also known as “whiny b^+ches.”
Such a click bait post, CLICK!
Good point.
@Simon, why don’t you change the title to “Some” as you suggested and see what happens.
Not a mystery. Apps intended for IAA use (the handful of synths and groove boxes) will no longer get maintained and fade into obscurity. Developers can then make standalone solutions (e.g. Korg Gadget) or AU hosts and plugins. Everyone can be happy. I'm not a big lover of IAA on IOS, and I'm not a big lover of AU yet either, although I tend to prefer the AU workflow if I'm working in Cubasis or NS2.
Exporting audio clips and stems is also a viable option.