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Ableton vs Bitwig

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  • andowritesandowrites

    I'm fairly recently new to Ableton. But it feels like home.

    For the sake of interest, I downloaded the Bitwig demo, sparked it up, and within 5 minutes, I found myself closing it down, and uninstalling it. It feels like a relief.

    Ableton just fits my aesthetic, and the way my brain is wired up. That's good enough for me.

  • krassmannkrassmann

    @andowrites said:
    I'm fairly recently new to Ableton. But it feels like home.

    For the sake of interest, I downloaded the Bitwig demo, sparked it up, and within 5 minutes, I found myself closing it down, and uninstalling it. It feels like a relief.

    Ableton just fits my aesthetic, and the way my brain is wired up. That's good enough for me.

    Interesting, for me it’s exactly the other way round. I like many of Live‘s features but I don’t like the UI. For me it’s grey and dull. Bitwig‘s UI color scheme reminds me on the classic Braun calculator that I always loved.

  • andowritesandowrites

    @krassmann said:

    @andowrites said:
    I'm fairly recently new to Ableton. But it feels like home.

    For the sake of interest, I downloaded the Bitwig demo, sparked it up, and within 5 minutes, I found myself closing it down, and uninstalling it. It feels like a relief.

    Ableton just fits my aesthetic, and the way my brain is wired up. That's good enough for me.

    Interesting, for me it’s exactly the other way round. I like many of Live‘s features but I don’t like the UI. For me it’s grey and dull. Bitwig‘s UI color scheme reminds me on the classic Braun calculator that I always loved.

    And that is the joy of it all, I love the simplicity and neutrality of the Ableton workspace.

    I know and love the Braun calculator. In fact, it reminds me of Ableton. :smile: What a joy, how different we all are in our shared love of music making!

    I'm glad you love Bitwig. A good friend is a Bitwig fan also, and is always wanting me to compare, or try Bitwig, but I just don't get it. I guess it's like with cars, or pretty much anything else. There is no best, there is simply what we love, what we have, what we can afford, what we can dream of…

  • krassmannkrassmann

    @andowrites said:

    @krassmann said:

    @andowrites said:
    I'm fairly recently new to Ableton. But it feels like home.

    For the sake of interest, I downloaded the Bitwig demo, sparked it up, and within 5 minutes, I found myself closing it down, and uninstalling it. It feels like a relief.

    Ableton just fits my aesthetic, and the way my brain is wired up. That's good enough for me.

    Interesting, for me it’s exactly the other way round. I like many of Live‘s features but I don’t like the UI. For me it’s grey and dull. Bitwig‘s UI color scheme reminds me on the classic Braun calculator that I always loved.

    And that is the joy of it all, I love the simplicity and neutrality of the Ableton workspace.

    I know and love the Braun calculator. In fact, it reminds me of Ableton. :smile: What a joy, how different we all are in our shared love of music making!

    I'm glad you love Bitwig. A good friend is a Bitwig fan also, and is always wanting me to compare, or try Bitwig, but I just don't get it. I guess it's like with cars, or pretty much anything else. There is no best, there is simply what we love, what we have, what we can afford, what we can dream of…

    True, we are living in great times that we have such a great choice of tools at hand.

  • tahichetahiche

    @FordTimeLord said:

    @McLeaferson said:

    You're right, man. We're here to have fun. That's what music production is all about. Making sick beats and having a good time.
    But I hear you, dude. Bitwig does seem like a lot of fun, but you're worried that it might require too much mouse action and screen time. That could be a problem, you know? You don't want to be staring at a screen all day. That's not fun. I mean, the Push2 and Ableton combo is pretty sweet, though. You hardly have to look at the screen. You can just focus on the music. But you're wondering if there's a good controller for Bitwig that can give you a similar experience. I don't know, man. I'm not an expert on controllers or anything. But I've heard good things about the Push1. It doesn't have a screen, but it still works pretty well with Bitwig. And you can always use a mouse and keyboard if you need to. Or maybe you could try one of those Akai controllers? I don't know much about them, but they seem pretty cool. And they're designed to work with a lot of different software. So maybe they'd be a good fit for Bitwig? Either way, you gotta find something that works for you, man. Something that makes music production fun and easy. Because that's what it's all about.

    How do you feel about the fall of Constantinople?

    Totally off-topic… How did I not see this McLeaferson was a bot?. I did think he was extremely weird 😳😂. I guess these AI things are going to be very annoying.

    Back on topic, I find the browser on Bitwig a lot better, more organized and easier to find stuff. Also I don’t really like the “hot swap” method in Ableton, where presets and instruments seem to be on the same level.

  • david_2017david_2017

    What he said.
    I was completely lost in live until I got it that preset and instruments are all in the menu

    People are ranting because of the Java thing in bitwig menus and stuff. But… 4.4.8… 4.5 or even 5.0 around the corner maybe 😏
    Fingers crossed in my update plan haha (until Bf 2023)

    @tahiche said:

    @FordTimeLord said:

    @McLeaferson said:

    You're right, man. We're here to have fun. That's what music production is all about. Making sick beats and having a good time.
    But I hear you, dude. Bitwig does seem like a lot of fun, but you're worried that it might require too much mouse action and screen time. That could be a problem, you know? You don't want to be staring at a screen all day. That's not fun. I mean, the Push2 and Ableton combo is pretty sweet, though. You hardly have to look at the screen. You can just focus on the music. But you're wondering if there's a good controller for Bitwig that can give you a similar experience. I don't know, man. I'm not an expert on controllers or anything. But I've heard good things about the Push1. It doesn't have a screen, but it still works pretty well with Bitwig. And you can always use a mouse and keyboard if you need to. Or maybe you could try one of those Akai controllers? I don't know much about them, but they seem pretty cool. And they're designed to work with a lot of different software. So maybe they'd be a good fit for Bitwig? Either way, you gotta find something that works for you, man. Something that makes music production fun and easy. Because that's what it's all about.

    How do you feel about the fall of Constantinople?

    Totally off-topic… How did I not see this McLeaferson was a bot?. I did think he was extremely weird 😳😂. I guess these AI things are going to be very annoying.

    Back on topic, I find the browser on Bitwig a lot better, more organized and easier to find stuff. Also I don’t really like the “hot swap” method in Ableton, where presets and instruments seem to be on the same level.

  • krassmannkrassmann
    edited February 2023

    @david_2017 said:
    What he said.
    I was completely lost in live until I got it that preset and instruments are all in the menu

    People are ranting because of the Java thing in bitwig menus and stuff. But… 4.4.8… 4.5 or even 5.0 around the corner maybe 😏

    Yeah, I've read this opinion, too. But I really don't get the point. Bitwig's UI works flawlessly without any delays. Its look and feel have nothing to do with the usual Java UI widgets because they didn't use them. Probably it's all going back to Steve Jobs saying that Java is "ball and chains" many years ago.

    They wrote their own vector UI library which AFAIK many DAWs did. The look and feel and the color scheme is a pure design decision of Bitwig and has nothing to do with Java. The benefit of Java is that it's less error prone than C++ and the portability across different operating systems, which made it easy to support even Linux. Actually, it's quite a wise decision to separate the DAW (Java) from the audio engine (C++). That's why Bitwig doesn't crash when a plugin crashes (if you configured it accordingly).

    If you are interested in Bitwig's technology, there had been quite an interesting podcast from 2021 where Bitwig's lead developer and co-founder explained all these things.

    https://dawbench.libsyn.com/episode-10-daw-evolution-iii-bitwig-studio-past-present-future

    I really like Live, too but I think they did some really poor UX decisions. You already named the browser. The tiny little triangles to control the faders are ridiculous. Many people seem to have a preference for Live or Bitwig because of the UI color scheme. That's why I really don't get why neither Live nor Bitwig offers UI themes. Light and dark are not enough since we all spend many hours with this software.

    Fingers crossed in my update plan haha (until Bf 2023)

    @tahiche said:

    @FordTimeLord said:

    @McLeaferson said:

    You're right, man. We're here to have fun. That's what music production is all about. Making sick beats and having a good time.
    But I hear you, dude. Bitwig does seem like a lot of fun, but you're worried that it might require too much mouse action and screen time. That could be a problem, you know? You don't want to be staring at a screen all day. That's not fun. I mean, the Push2 and Ableton combo is pretty sweet, though. You hardly have to look at the screen. You can just focus on the music. But you're wondering if there's a good controller for Bitwig that can give you a similar experience. I don't know, man. I'm not an expert on controllers or anything. But I've heard good things about the Push1. It doesn't have a screen, but it still works pretty well with Bitwig. And you can always use a mouse and keyboard if you need to. Or maybe you could try one of those Akai controllers? I don't know much about them, but they seem pretty cool. And they're designed to work with a lot of different software. So maybe they'd be a good fit for Bitwig? Either way, you gotta find something that works for you, man. Something that makes music production fun and easy. Because that's what it's all about.

    How do you feel about the fall of Constantinople?

    Totally off-topic… How did I not see this McLeaferson was a bot?. I did think he was extremely weird 😳😂. I guess these AI things are going to be very annoying.

    Back on topic, I find the browser on Bitwig a lot better, more organized and easier to find stuff. Also I don’t really like the “hot swap” method in Ableton, where presets and instruments seem to be on the same level.

  • Danny_MammyDanny_Mammy
    edited February 2023

    I don't get the UI colour scheme argument, when you are working on music a basic Neutral colour scheme is the easiest on the eyes. Ableton has this perfectly IMO.

    you can however mess with the colour scheme in the preferences or use a free theme editor/preset thingy.

    https://www.livethemes.co/

    The pornhub skin is quite nice.

    https://www.livethemes.co/themes/pornhub-xfer-serum-skin/2757

  • krassmannkrassmann

    @Danny_Mammy said:
    I don't get the UI colour scheme argument, when you are working on music a basic Neutral colour scheme is the easiest on the eyes. Ableton has this perfectly IMO.

    you can however mess with the colour scheme in the preferences or use a free theme editor/preset thingy.

    https://www.livethemes.co/

    The pornhub skin is quite nice.

    https://www.livethemes.co/themes/pornhub-xfer-serum-skin/2757

    Wow, cool. I didn’t know that. The Pornhub theme looks really good. Sex sells - as always 🤣

  • Danny_MammyDanny_Mammy
    edited February 2023

    @krassmann said:

    @Danny_Mammy said:
    I don't get the UI colour scheme argument, when you are working on music a basic Neutral colour scheme is the easiest on the eyes. Ableton has this perfectly IMO.

    you can however mess with the colour scheme in the preferences or use a free theme editor/preset thingy.

    https://www.livethemes.co/

    The pornhub skin is quite nice.

    https://www.livethemes.co/themes/pornhub-xfer-serum-skin/2757

    Wow, cool. I didn’t know that. The Pornhub theme looks really good. Sex sells - as always 🤣

    hihi, indeed it does

  • tahichetahiche

    I’m watching this Polarity guy work the Bitwig Grid and it’s mind blowing. The dude is so amazingly skilled it’s hard to keep up.

    One thing that worries me about the modular approach in Ableton and Bitwig is that I fear it’s very cpu intensive. For example in traditional daws I’d have a singe plugin to do drums on a track, maybe route the multi outs to tracks and groups… whereas in Bitwig and Live a drumkit is 12 different samplers, and each chain with its own effects and so on… Isn’t this very taxing on the cpu?.

  • Milkyway1980Milkyway1980

    Voted Bitwig, since ableton already have Note on ios and i doubt they will ever port Live. And already have it on Pc, so this might make me learn bitwig

  • krassmannkrassmann

    @tahiche the drum samplers in both DAWs are basically very low on DSP. Look at FAC Drumkit, it also has envelopes for each voice and doesn’t consume much CPU. In Bitwig if you are using the container device you can even nest and chain effects indefinitely - for each drum machine voice. Each of those chained and nested effect devices can have its own modulators. If you make heavy use of that, you could end up with a monster of a drum machine that consumes all the resources of your computer. Usually I don’t use many effects on single drum voices.

    Yeah, Polarity is a grand maester of The Grid. His generative patches are so cool. I support him on patreon. You can also find many cool presets on https://bitwig.community or https://bitwiggers.com

    You can save a whole device chain with all it’s modulators and nested containers as a preset same way as you know it from Drambo and share it with others.

  • LittlewoodgLittlewoodg
    edited March 2023

    im glad this thread popped back up, it’s thrown me back into Bitwig, manual and tutorials, having fun with the new featureds (generative stuff, comping…)

    Looking at the ipad differently, different workflows, renewed interest in apps that supprt Live project export, and stem export…

  • alexwasashrimpalexwasashrimp

    https://cdm.link/2022/11/iphone-ipad-touch-controller-for-bitwig-studio/

  • Telstar5Telstar5

    @alexwasashrimp said:
    https://cdm.link/2022/11/iphone-ipad-touch-controller-for-bitwig-studio/

    WOW!

  • tahichetahiche

    @krassmann i bought a second hand Push1 to try out in Bitwig with the Mos script. We’ll see how much mouse action I need, I hope close to zero!.

  • echooperaechoopera
    edited March 2023

    @tahiche said:
    @krassmann i bought a second hand Push1 to try out in Bitwig with the Mos script. We’ll see how much mouse action I need, I hope close to zero!.

    You will still need a mouse for a good chunk of essential workflow events.

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