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Workflow advice. AUM or Nanostudio2
Hey. I think I’m starting to develop a workflow so I don’t get stuck just making “sick loops” but could use some help.
Lately I’ll get going with loops and scenes I make and play in groovebox, blocs wave. Then I hop on some keys (an app not hardware) or start trying out some scratch vocals or an effects app and jamming over everything. I have also been learning to send midi to some other apps from something like Suggester which is blowing my mind (but want to try other chord/ sequencing apps).
I am starting to learn how to get all this going through Audio Bus and this is the most fun I have had in a long time.
Onto the point of this post!
I would love some help/opinions on getting the last piece of my general workflow in place; Recording this crazy noise.
Id like to record to separate tracks but not completely loose the spontaneous aspect of messing about and hitting record if something good comes along.
I find myself using TWrecorder (TwistedWave I think..unpaid version) because it’s so reliable and fast to just open it up, cue a new recording and get back to jamming.
I have Cubasis and started on garageband but I find I loose momentum when I try to just get tracks down in those because I am
always setting up and adjusting parameters. I’d rather use those DAWs in the final stage to fine tune and build, re-record, add effects etc...
I think based on what I have read that I need AUM and possibly audio share?
Am I on the right track?
After the initial learning curve will I be able to just record things through AUM and know they are saved somewhere I can access later and use?
I have also been so so close to pulling the trigger and getting nanostudio2 because it seems like that might work well in so many ways and just be awesome but I don’t want to get too stuck in one App. (Or do I?)
maybe just need to learn to work with Cubasis better because it’s obviously capable I just have weird issues sometimes that I can’t figure out and bring things to a halt.
Wow this is long. Apologies! Going to list the apps I have that might be relevant and a few other apps I recently got but haven’t explored much. Any tips or comments would be very much appreciated.
Cubasis
TwistedWave audio
Xequencer 2 ( looks great but may have gotten this a little too early, kinda overwhelmed )
Garageband
Loopy ( got it on sale haven’t used it yet)
Audiobus
Suggester ( looking at chordpolypad and similar apps )
The rest are mostly effects and a few instruments - lots of free mostly just began dropping money on some of the apps I’ve been reading about. I have around $50 budget and I think AUM Or NanoStudio2 would be my next best move. But something like multitrack recorder could maybe fit the bill? And then I can bring those to Cubasis and spend that dough on synths instead 
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Thanks!
LM
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Possible workflow: get AUM. Load your apps in AUM. Get a groove going. In AUM record any individual tracks you like - for ex. Say you have a cool bass line going on track one - use AUMs "sync quantum" to record perfect loops... set it to have maybe a 1bar count in. Hit record - record 4 or 8 bars of bass - hit stop recording just before the final bar you want. Repeat for your drum track - maybe record a loop, stop & record a variation or fill. Maybe another track you record yourself playing live synth over your groove for 16 or 32 bars. All those recordings end up in AudioShare folder for your project. Then you can take all those into Cubasis or GarageBand (nanostudio some day soon..) and arrange things a bit - and add in other bits and pieces. Add some fx etc. (This is one workflow I use often)
Xequence will come in handy. For saving your projects and recalling later. Set up 4-5 channels in AUM with synths or drum machines and in xequence map channel 1 midi out to ch1 of AUM and repeat. Ch2 xeq goes to ch2 AUM etc. The keyboard in xequence is very very nice
Hope that helps. I'm sure there's some videos out there that explain the above. I think dean from electronicsounds has one called "how to make perfectly synced loops in AUM" or something like that. AudioDabbler might have video too
Here's deans vid
@Halftone very helpful. Thank you, I appreciate it!
The method you laid out sounds very intuitive, its a little like what I have been doing in Groovebox:
I get the bones down with some loops of different instruments and then copy those to their song 'sections' and either build up or deconstruct each section from there for the different parts of a song.
The lack of midi out and being limited to 16 bars max in one loop is kinda where I have hit a wall -- and sounds like AUM and Xequencer2 are the next step.
Time to jump into the deep end of the pool (or at least leave the kiddie pool)
One question - you said to stop the loop before the last bar I would want to play - I think I understand, is that so I can patch the next loop on and string them together seamlessly?
Thanks again, gonna watch this video and will probably end up buying AUM tonight. Have been reading about it for a few months now so I think I just gotta start learning.
That's what 'Sync Quantum' is for. It basically says, 'when you say stop, I will interpret that to mean 'stop at the next point a perfect loop would be created. As long as you hit stop before, it will stop when it's appropriate. If you hit it after, it will still stop at the next appropriate loop point, the only down side is you have extra audio that's unnecessary (2 perfect loops as one file).
If you're enjoying Audiobus jamming, maybe stick with Cubasis for capturing? I haven't hooked the two up in a while but I thought Cubasis automatically added a track for each Audiobus output slot in which you have Cubasis inserted. Then you can just arm them all, hit record and jam away capturing each audiobus lane to its own track in Cubasis.
If I were you, the first step I’d take would be to export all your stems from BlocsWave and groovebox and put them in Cubasis as audio tracks.
Then do your ‘noodling’ in Cubasis over the top and record it all there.
Kinda what a DAW is for.
Once you’ve got to speed with it it would be no slower than having to mess about setting things up in AUM.
Aum is fun and good for putting together apps to make loops and stuff but it sounds to me like you really need a proper DAW. and you have one :-)
probably just AUM is all what you need ? You can record every AUM track as separate audio file - so you can improvise, add stuff, efects, tweak, play ... at the end you take that individual recorded audio tracks to DAW of your choise, cut them, rearrange, make composition, finalise...
in my experience for improvisation and searching for "happy accidents" is best to stay "in the box" - not combine more apps, because switching between apps and trying to keep hem cooperate in right way is instant creativity killer (at least for me)
i use for improvisation NS2, because i'm more into recording MIDI and automations durimg my noodling... but if you're more into final audio result, then just AUM can pretty much perfeftly cover your needs
If you like combining effects, routing, etc -> then ApeMatrix is also a very useful app. The routing and LFO possibilities mean that for sound design I can get results that are impossible in any other app.
That’s what I’ve been doing as well. I realize that midi is more flexible for me and tweakable rather than audio files. So I’ve been either creating in X2 or NS2. Waiting for full midi in and out of Groovebox. I still can’t understand why they don’t wanna to open it up. It’s there already; but they don’t open up e midi for some weird reason.
NS2 is useless for your question (recording a bunch of apps) because it doesn't have audio tracks.
That said I am far more productive in NS2 than in some Frankenstein monster ab3 or aum setup. I never have and probably never will complete a track with that kind of setup.
It’s possible to bring the loops into NS2 and trigger them as samples in Slate.
Yeah but that's a horrible way to work.
Let's say you have a loop you are editing with some loop samples in slate.
You have to start the loop on the 1st beat or the sample won't trigger.
Example. 4 bar loop. You want to loop up the 4th bar by itself to edit a couple drum hits. Those samples won't trigger.
I'm a nanostudio 2 advocate (favorite app) but let's not pretend it's ideal for OP.
There is probably (obviously) no bigger NS2 advocate than me :-)) But in this case i'm pretty sure old good plain AUM is best solution... not needed any other app, AB, external DAW for recording of audio.. just AUM. That is it.
Launchpad and Garageband are great for Loop triggering. Garageband more powerful for working with AUs directly, otherwise make your sick loops and export the audios. Launchpad has better FX. NS2 is better for linear sequencing, but in some ways Cubasis is better than NS2 for that. NS2 is the best for sound design and exporting loops. AUM is very experimental territory.
Thanks so much for all the reply's and advice everyone!
Well I read the first reply and scurried off to buy AUM ... finally emerging from that to see all these new reply’s and suggestions. One thing I can say is that I have come back with a genuine love and true appreciation for Xequence 2 and what a powerful tool that is.
I think some of the reply’s about staying in Cubasis 2 are very true and solid advice. Thought I don’t regret buying AUM at all; I really didn’t know much about MIDI before getting into all of this so that’s the main reason I have mostly worked around audio tracks in the past. Midi is so useful though especially when writing, composing, arranging.. not saying anything y’all don’t know.
Right now I have been focusing on getting down some of the basics of midi routing, and how to drive external synths through midi out. I am liking this a lot because I can start building pieces of a song pretty much anywhere I’m fiddling around and save those all to X2. Then I can tweak and try out different drum and synth sounds for each part while still being able to easily rearrange the composition ( perfect setup for a man with a fear of commitment ) then when (if) I eventually have everything where I like it that can go into Cubasis 2 as audio or midi to have vocals and any real instruments as well as effects, eq..etc added.
Again, this is obviously nothing new but It’s really great. I have more I want to ramble about but it’s late so will leave it there for now. Thanks again everyone
Thanks for the encouraging feedback, and be assured Xequence will continue to grow and improve in the future if no major asteroids strike the earth 😉
❤️❤️❤️❤️🤪😂
@SevenSystems I believe it! Your efforts are appreciated.
Now that you mention it, we do need some sort of ‘Asteroid Router’ with a bypass switch for each of the planets inside a particular solar system
It would be nice enough if mankind even managed to EXPLORE a different solar system. But if they keep going on with what's essentially fireworks put on a metal tube...
Maybe when space travel is fast. They will just assemble or send machines that can upload conciousness ( if that is also possible ) AI might just see that as bad code. All seems a bit pointless now.
This is fast.
Would make an ok movie scene for a new Alien movie. Robots like beasts ( thundercats ) But are drones sent down by a ship in orbit. You can see what they see on a screen but then it gets bad when they are hacked and the aliens use them to form a new shell. Somehow you would have to think of an ability, that they have which could hack and reform the tech. Even though they dont use tech.
Well, not in person... but robotic probes have now visited every planet at least once.
i'm afraid people will never really explore even our own solar system - don't even dream about some interstellar colonisation...
As soon as we will have photorealistic virtual reality (including all 5 senses), people will totally lost interest about searching and exploring new worlds - why when you will be able to spend whole life iny any world you can (or even you cannot) imagine ? Think about Neuralink.. it's just matter of time...
I think this is answer to Fermi paradox. Every technologicaly enough advanced civilisation will inevitably turn into civilisation of zombies living whole life in "matrix-like" si u,ations which inevitably leads to extinction..
We have probably 200 years. And that's i think very optimistic guesstimate...
@dendy that's an interesting prospect, and unfortunately a slightly sad one, too. I'm critical of "over-civilization" as well. A lot of the "primitive" stuff in our brains (warfare, reproduction, boobs etc.) is actually very useful and enjoyable (is that #metoo already?), and as you rightly said, indispensible for survival of the species. That's also a reason why when I'm not sitting at the computer, I do totally "primitive" stuff like riding around on a bike or sitting around with people talking random shit. It's not "advanced" but it feels good
Well I digressed a bit... but yeah, it's somehow related.
Yeah the main problem is the primitive propulsion methods, as I said... the only really feasible thing there IMO is some form of nuclear (either fission or fusion) propulsion because of the vastly higher energy densities. There was actually at least one production-ready nuclear drive in the 1970s which would have easily taken humans to Mars in a few weeks, but they killed it because of that nuclear non-proliferation nonsense. i.e., politics doing what they do best: prevent progress.
ok Alcubiere warp drive is still opened topic in NASA, as i know... and i think also EMdrive wasn't finally busted as not working.. or ion truster.. there is few promising technologies for interplanetar or even interstellar propulsion...
but, as i said.. i'm afraid near future of mankind is in exploring virtual worlds, not real ones..
at the end, maybe we actually already ARE there 🥶😱
@dendy -- Alcubiere warp drive is VERY far from being even remotely feasible this time. EMdrive is a hoax. Ion thrusters are real and used everywhere, but unfortunately require huge amounts of electricity -- which brings us back to the other topic -- nuclear energy. Really the only feasible way currently available for long-distance efficient space travel. Either immediately use the exhaust from a nuclear reactor and/or small nuclear explosions as thrust, or generate electricity like in a "normal" nuclear reactor and use that for supplying the ion drives. No Star Trek technology necessary. Just a bit of courage TM and the will to risk a few accidental deaths a year.