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  • SevenSystemsSevenSystems

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    @LowMoses said:
    @SevenSystems I believe it! Your efforts are appreciated.

    Now that you mention it, we do need some sort of ‘Asteroid Router’ with a bypass switch for each of the planets inside a particular solar system ;)

    It would be nice enough if mankind even managed to EXPLORE a different solar system. But if they keep going on with what's essentially fireworks put on a metal tube...

    We are far from exploring our own solar system :)

    Well, not in person... but robotic probes have now visited every planet at least once.

    Yes, we had some glimpses of all planets, but not much more than a glimpse.
    And, there are still moons to be visited.

    And it's difficult enough, inside our solar system.
    Outside? You're dreaming :)

    Yeah the main problem is the primitive propulsion methods, as I said... the only really feasible thing there IMO is some form of nuclear (either fission or fusion) propulsion because of the vastly higher energy densities. There was actually at least one production-ready nuclear drive in the 1970s which would have easily taken humans to Mars in a few weeks, but they killed it because of that nuclear non-proliferation nonsense. i.e., politics doing what they do best: prevent progress.

    You would need a reactionless drive, which is only theoretically possible.
    Otherwise, you need mass to be expelled - and for other solar systems, that would require an immense amount.
    Not even talking about the time required.

    It depends. If you expel the shit at a significant fraction of the speed of light, you don't really need a lot of it. Look at ion thrusters.

    The time required is relative TM ;) if you manage to go at a significant proportion of the speed of light, then the travellers themselves might get to the next solar system in a matter of weeks. Of course I'm not sure if that's useful if their colleagues on Earth wait for many years in the meantime. But that's more of a philosophical debate!

    But we are digressing B)

    Definitely! That's what the teacher always wrote below my exams: "Great stuff, but off-topic!" :)

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  • SevenSystemsSevenSystems

    @tja said:
    Yep, as it seems, you need about 87 percent of light speed to experience only halve of the time.
    But to experience only 1/10 of the time, you already need 99,5% of light speed.

    And the larger your mass, the more energy you need to reach that speed.
    And, the cosmos is not empty.
    Just saying "micro collisions" and real collisions.

    All only dreams :)

    If people didn't dream and hadn't dreamt in the past, then we would all still be sitting in caves and throwing stones ;)

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  • wimwim

    Why would mankind want to go into the solar system and beyond if the Internet isn’t out there yet?

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  • SevenSystemsSevenSystems

    @wim :D I've made a REALLY good "audio sketch" that deals with that topic, but unfortunately it's in German ;)

  • dendydendy

    we are already deep in offtopic, so why not continue.. :)

    @SevenSystems This poped to my eyes, pretty interesting

    https://phys.org/news/2019-12-discovery-reveals-tractionless-motion.amp

    Yeah, it's just in cells for now - but if it is physically posible to have tractionless motion, then sooner or later we will be able to reproduce it on large scale...

  • SevenSystemsSevenSystems
    edited December 2019

    @dendy... that is interesting, didn't know something like that existed... it's on a very small scale though and it somehow still sounds a bit like a (accidental) hoax ("active matter")... maybe cells DO in some way "push against" their environment, but those scientists haven't really looked closely enough? Anyway, a good read and research topic for my morning coffee now! :)

    Apart from that though, there IS enough reaction mass in space anyway. Space is not empty at all and has quite a few random hydrogen / helium atoms per cubic metre (often hundreds or thousands depending on where you are), so if you go really fast or have a really large engine intake / fast engine, you will essentially be able to move your spaceship like an airplane. (yes, a spaceship that goes at very high speeds would actually also have to LOOK like an airplane to minimize friction!)

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  • SevenSystemsSevenSystems

    @dendy -- this makes me skeptical as ever:

    https://www.askamathematician.com/2017/12/q-is-reactionless-propulsion-possible/

  • dendydendy
    edited December 2019

    @SevenSystems @tja

    That is main point of that article. It is totally agains our current understanding of physics, especially agains Newton's law of action and reaction.

    https://www.askamathematician.com/2017/12/q-is-reactionless-propulsion-possible/

    Yes, this is old article BEFORE that discover it pretty much consistently covers current understanding of physics to the date. Reactionless propulsion - not possible.

    https://phys.org/news/2019-12-discovery-reveals-tractionless-motion.amp

    This is NEW article. Scientist disvovered that it looks like cells are acrually using something which, based on our current understanding of phycics, is not possible.

    Possible outcomes:

    • they overlooked something (i think this is a bit unlikely, at molecular scales we are able to measure things with pretty amazing accuracy)
    • there is some new physics on horizon, not known yet

    This is more principal thing, it is not that much important if it is on molecular scale or on big scale - if some elementary physical rule is obviously not working here, it means theory needs to be revisited - that's how science works ;) There may me some quantum effects as part of game - but this is not much likely, molecular scale is in most cases too big for being affected by quantum effects - but who knows ... There is serious theory that consciousness emerges from quantum processes in neuron's microtubules - so everything is possible :)

    Anyway - this is serious study based on real experiment - published on serious scientific portal, not some hoax or false news, here is original source:
    https://journals.aps.org/prl/abstract/10.1103/PhysRevLett.123.248006

    So it may me we are on the edge some major breakthrough on part of physics important for developing propulsion engines ;)

    It also may be measurement error, of course. Looking forward how this will evolve, especially after it passes through peer review :)

    Here i will be a little bit more speculative. In case it turns out that this discovery is right, it is not error, and there is some serious physics behind which allows breaking this Newton's rule, then main argument of EM Drive opponents will be busted :-)

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