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Which iPad for working with multilayered samples and tracks in AudioLayer+GarageBand?

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  • joachim_sjoachim_s

    @rs2000 said:

    @joachim_s said:
    What has happened now even more often is that the instrument just stops being audible, and I have to restart the project, GB and often even reset the ram. I surely can’t have anything else going on in the background of GB.

    Is there a reproducible sequence of actions that you could list?

    Opening any sound from AL within GB. Play for a while. Then no sound. That’s it.

  • rs2000rs2000

    @joachim_s said:

    @rs2000 said:

    @joachim_s said:
    What has happened now even more often is that the instrument just stops being audible, and I have to restart the project, GB and often even reset the ram. I surely can’t have anything else going on in the background of GB.

    Is there a reproducible sequence of actions that you could list?

    Opening any sound from AL within GB. Play for a while. Then no sound. That’s it.

    Have you tried a different host?
    apeMatrix, AUM, Nanostudio 2, Beatmaker 3, Cubasis 2, Audio Evolution?

  • BitterGumsBitterGums

    What is your price range? Getting something used, like you said, is great for something with more storage but the brand new iPad 10.2" is $329 and will handle everything you're describing with ease.

  • joachim_sjoachim_s
    edited January 2020

    @BitterGums said:
    What is your price range? Getting something used, like you said, is great for something with more storage but the brand new iPad 10.2" is $329 and will handle everything you're describing with ease.

    Why would it handle those tasks with ease, since my iPhone 7 Plus has the same specs and won’t?

  • joachim_sjoachim_s
    edited January 2020

    @rs2000 said:

    @joachim_s said:

    @rs2000 said:

    @joachim_s said:
    What has happened now even more often is that the instrument just stops being audible, and I have to restart the project, GB and often even reset the ram. I surely can’t have anything else going on in the background of GB.

    Is there a reproducible sequence of actions that you could list?

    Opening any sound from AL within GB. Play for a while. Then no sound. That’s it.

    Have you tried a different host?
    apeMatrix, AUM, Nanostudio 2, Beatmaker 3, Cubasis 2, Audio Evolution?

    No, I haven’t. Not sure I could buy any of them just for testing.

    However, I still am looking for an iPad that will handle these tasks better. I guess I’ll be looking for a new iPad Pro since they are the only ones better than my iPhone in any serious regard.

  • espiegel123espiegel123

    @joachim_s said:

    @rs2000 said:

    @joachim_s said:

    @rs2000 said:

    @joachim_s said:
    What has happened now even more often is that the instrument just stops being audible, and I have to restart the project, GB and often even reset the ram. I surely can’t have anything else going on in the background of GB.

    Is there a reproducible sequence of actions that you could list?

    Opening any sound from AL within GB. Play for a while. Then no sound. That’s it.

    Have you tried a different host?
    apeMatrix, AUM, Nanostudio 2, Beatmaker 3, Cubasis 2, Audio Evolution?

    No, I haven’t. Not sure I could buy any of them just for testing.

    However, I still am looking for an iPad that will handle these tasks better. I guess I’ll be looking for a new iPad Pro since they are the only once better than my iPhone in any serious regard.

    Btw, and I have no idea if it is relevant to this use-case, but a wise soul who understands more about how these devices work explained to me that comparing the raw specs of iPhones and iPads does not always tell the whole story because there are differences in how battery-use optimization impacts performance -- phones being more optimized for battery life than tablets. So, it is possible that an iPad might perform differently.

    So, with AudioLayer even if there is just one instance loaded as AU stops playing regardless of what else is going on?

  • joachim_sjoachim_s

    @espiegel123 said:

    @joachim_s said:

    @rs2000 said:

    @joachim_s said:

    @rs2000 said:

    @joachim_s said:
    What has happened now even more often is that the instrument just stops being audible, and I have to restart the project, GB and often even reset the ram. I surely can’t have anything else going on in the background of GB.

    Is there a reproducible sequence of actions that you could list?

    Opening any sound from AL within GB. Play for a while. Then no sound. That’s it.

    Have you tried a different host?
    apeMatrix, AUM, Nanostudio 2, Beatmaker 3, Cubasis 2, Audio Evolution?

    No, I haven’t. Not sure I could buy any of them just for testing.

    However, I still am looking for an iPad that will handle these tasks better. I guess I’ll be looking for a new iPad Pro since they are the only once better than my iPhone in any serious regard.

    there are differences in how battery-use optimization impacts performance -- phones being more optimized for battery life than tablets. So, it is possible that an iPad might perform differently.

    Interesting. Well, I have no idea. Sadly this can’t easily be tested. I’d have to borrow someone else’s iPad to get an idea.

    @espiegel123 said:

    @joachim_s said:

    @rs2000 said:

    @joachim_s said:

    @rs2000 said:

    @joachim_s said:
    What has happened now even more often is that the instrument just stops being audible, and I have to restart the project, GB and often even reset the ram. I surely can’t have anything else going on in the background of GB.

    Is there a reproducible sequence of actions that you could list?

    Opening any sound from AL within GB. Play for a while. Then no sound. That’s it.

    Have you tried a different host?
    apeMatrix, AUM, Nanostudio 2, Beatmaker 3, Cubasis 2, Audio Evolution?

    No, I haven’t. Not sure I could buy any of them just for testing.

    However, I still am looking for an iPad that will handle these tasks better. I guess I’ll be looking for a new iPad Pro since they are the only once better than my iPhone in any serious regard.

    So, with AudioLayer even if there is just one instance loaded as AU stops playing regardless of what else is going on?

    Right now, yes. Got 20 gigs free space and it’s a 128GB unit.

  • espiegel123espiegel123

    @joachim_s said:

    @espiegel123 said:

    @joachim_s said:

    @rs2000 said:

    @joachim_s said:

    @rs2000 said:

    @joachim_s said:
    What has happened now even more often is that the instrument just stops being audible, and I have to restart the project, GB and often even reset the ram. I surely can’t have anything else going on in the background of GB.

    Is there a reproducible sequence of actions that you could list?

    Opening any sound from AL within GB. Play for a while. Then no sound. That’s it.

    Have you tried a different host?
    apeMatrix, AUM, Nanostudio 2, Beatmaker 3, Cubasis 2, Audio Evolution?

    No, I haven’t. Not sure I could buy any of them just for testing.

    However, I still am looking for an iPad that will handle these tasks better. I guess I’ll be looking for a new iPad Pro since they are the only once better than my iPhone in any serious regard.

    there are differences in how battery-use optimization impacts performance -- phones being more optimized for battery life than tablets. So, it is possible that an iPad might perform differently.

    Interesting. Well, I have no idea. Sadly this can’t easily be tested. I’d have to borrow someone else’s iPad to get an idea.

    @espiegel123 said:

    @joachim_s said:

    @rs2000 said:

    @joachim_s said:

    @rs2000 said:

    @joachim_s said:
    What has happened now even more often is that the instrument just stops being audible, and I have to restart the project, GB and often even reset the ram. I surely can’t have anything else going on in the background of GB.

    Is there a reproducible sequence of actions that you could list?

    Opening any sound from AL within GB. Play for a while. Then no sound. That’s it.

    Have you tried a different host?
    apeMatrix, AUM, Nanostudio 2, Beatmaker 3, Cubasis 2, Audio Evolution?

    No, I haven’t. Not sure I could buy any of them just for testing.

    However, I still am looking for an iPad that will handle these tasks better. I guess I’ll be looking for a new iPad Pro since they are the only once better than my iPhone in any serious regard.

    So, with AudioLayer even if there is just one instance loaded as AU stops playing regardless of what else is going on?

    Right now, yes. Got 20 gigs free space and it’s a 128GB unit.

    Contact @VirSyn and see if you can get on the beta to see if it behaves differently. I've never had a problem like you describe with the beta or non-beta, but I don't use GarageBand much.

  • Samflash3Samflash3
    edited January 2020

    @joachim_s said:

    @rs2000 said:
    The iPad 6 is hardly any faster than the iPhone 7 plus. And it has less RAM so it may struggle with large AudioLayer instruments even earlier, but the large screen is good of course.

    I just found out that you’re right (!) and it’s even weaker because of the lack of RAM:


    (I marked the OS version because I wasn’t paying attention to the iPadOS/iOS difference 🙂)

    Other than that the CPU and GPU specs are identical so I won’t be getting that iPad now just for the larger screen, that’s for sure.

    Another not too expensive option is an iPad Mini 5 (64GB), smaller but more powerful.

    I’ll have to check that one out! I do prefer the form factor of the Mini unless it’s the Air since it’s so light.

    Edit: Here's a chart with single-core and multi-core performance of different iDevices. Note that audio apps usually only use one single core for handling audio. Unlike a web browser which can easily distribute different parts of a web page to different CPU cores.
    If I was to buy a new one for music, I'd ignore the orange bars and choose by the blue ones.

    Thanks for pointing that out!

    @joachim_s said:

    @BitterGums said:
    What is your price range? Getting something used, like you said, is great for something with more storage but the brand new iPad 10.2" is $329 and will handle everything you're describing with ease.

    Why would it handle those tasks with ease, since my iPhone 7 Plus has the same specs and won’t?

    Because it can run apps that iPhone doesn't have access to. E.g. Beatmaker 3

    I personally think that the iPad Air is the best low end tablet. But at the same time, I recommend the 6th and 7th Gen because of their pricing with value. The mini is great if you're looking for a small form factor.

    Of course, if you have the money, you can get the pro. I personally don't find it as appealing despite the improved display and USB C because of needing to change IO's because my iPhone charger won't work, and price. I mean, if I can buy the 12 in pro with 256gb and pencil with the necessary cables, I'm better off getting a Surface laptop, with a cheaper iPad 6th or 7th gen.

    I'm waiting to see where Apple takes the (possibly new ) iPad pro. But for now, aside for the faster chip, better pencil, reverse wireless charging, and improved camera, I'm not sure how they can take it to the next level of Pro.

  • joachim_sjoachim_s

    @Samflash3 said:

    @joachim_s said:

    @rs2000 said:
    The iPad 6 is hardly any faster than the iPhone 7 plus. And it has less RAM so it may struggle with large AudioLayer instruments even earlier, but the large screen is good of course.

    I just found out that you’re right (!) and it’s even weaker because of the lack of RAM:


    (I marked the OS version because I wasn’t paying attention to the iPadOS/iOS difference 🙂)

    Other than that the CPU and GPU specs are identical so I won’t be getting that iPad now just for the larger screen, that’s for sure.

    Another not too expensive option is an iPad Mini 5 (64GB), smaller but more powerful.

    I’ll have to check that one out! I do prefer the form factor of the Mini unless it’s the Air since it’s so light.

    Edit: Here's a chart with single-core and multi-core performance of different iDevices. Note that audio apps usually only use one single core for handling audio. Unlike a web browser which can easily distribute different parts of a web page to different CPU cores.
    If I was to buy a new one for music, I'd ignore the orange bars and choose by the blue ones.

    Thanks for pointing that out!

    @joachim_s said:

    @BitterGums said:
    What is your price range? Getting something used, like you said, is great for something with more storage but the brand new iPad 10.2" is $329 and will handle everything you're describing with ease.

    Why would it handle those tasks with ease, since my iPhone 7 Plus has the same specs and won’t?

    Because it can run apps that iPhone doesn't have access to. E.g. Beatmaker 3

    That doesn’t explain why it would handle the tasks better than my iPhone.

  • rs2000rs2000

    @joachim_s said:

    @espiegel123 said:

    @joachim_s said:

    @rs2000 said:

    @joachim_s said:

    @rs2000 said:

    @joachim_s said:
    What has happened now even more often is that the instrument just stops being audible, and I have to restart the project, GB and often even reset the ram. I surely can’t have anything else going on in the background of GB.

    Is there a reproducible sequence of actions that you could list?

    Opening any sound from AL within GB. Play for a while. Then no sound. That’s it.

    Have you tried a different host?
    apeMatrix, AUM, Nanostudio 2, Beatmaker 3, Cubasis 2, Audio Evolution?

    No, I haven’t. Not sure I could buy any of them just for testing.

    However, I still am looking for an iPad that will handle these tasks better. I guess I’ll be looking for a new iPad Pro since they are the only once better than my iPhone in any serious regard.

    there are differences in how battery-use optimization impacts performance -- phones being more optimized for battery life than tablets. So, it is possible that an iPad might perform differently.

    Interesting. Well, I have no idea. Sadly this can’t easily be tested. I’d have to borrow someone else’s iPad to get an idea.

    @espiegel123 said:

    @joachim_s said:

    @rs2000 said:

    @joachim_s said:

    @rs2000 said:

    @joachim_s said:
    What has happened now even more often is that the instrument just stops being audible, and I have to restart the project, GB and often even reset the ram. I surely can’t have anything else going on in the background of GB.

    Is there a reproducible sequence of actions that you could list?

    Opening any sound from AL within GB. Play for a while. Then no sound. That’s it.

    Have you tried a different host?
    apeMatrix, AUM, Nanostudio 2, Beatmaker 3, Cubasis 2, Audio Evolution?

    No, I haven’t. Not sure I could buy any of them just for testing.

    However, I still am looking for an iPad that will handle these tasks better. I guess I’ll be looking for a new iPad Pro since they are the only once better than my iPhone in any serious regard.

    So, with AudioLayer even if there is just one instance loaded as AU stops playing regardless of what else is going on?

    Right now, yes. Got 20 gigs free space and it’s a 128GB unit.

    Send me your GB project and I'll see what's up.

  • joachim_sjoachim_s

    @rs2000 said:

    @joachim_s said:

    @espiegel123 said:

    @joachim_s said:

    @rs2000 said:

    @joachim_s said:

    @rs2000 said:

    @joachim_s said:
    What has happened now even more often is that the instrument just stops being audible, and I have to restart the project, GB and often even reset the ram. I surely can’t have anything else going on in the background of GB.

    Is there a reproducible sequence of actions that you could list?

    Opening any sound from AL within GB. Play for a while. Then no sound. That’s it.

    Have you tried a different host?
    apeMatrix, AUM, Nanostudio 2, Beatmaker 3, Cubasis 2, Audio Evolution?

    No, I haven’t. Not sure I could buy any of them just for testing.

    However, I still am looking for an iPad that will handle these tasks better. I guess I’ll be looking for a new iPad Pro since they are the only once better than my iPhone in any serious regard.

    there are differences in how battery-use optimization impacts performance -- phones being more optimized for battery life than tablets. So, it is possible that an iPad might perform differently.

    Interesting. Well, I have no idea. Sadly this can’t easily be tested. I’d have to borrow someone else’s iPad to get an idea.

    @espiegel123 said:

    @joachim_s said:

    @rs2000 said:

    @joachim_s said:

    @rs2000 said:

    @joachim_s said:
    What has happened now even more often is that the instrument just stops being audible, and I have to restart the project, GB and often even reset the ram. I surely can’t have anything else going on in the background of GB.

    Is there a reproducible sequence of actions that you could list?

    Opening any sound from AL within GB. Play for a while. Then no sound. That’s it.

    Have you tried a different host?
    apeMatrix, AUM, Nanostudio 2, Beatmaker 3, Cubasis 2, Audio Evolution?

    No, I haven’t. Not sure I could buy any of them just for testing.

    However, I still am looking for an iPad that will handle these tasks better. I guess I’ll be looking for a new iPad Pro since they are the only once better than my iPhone in any serious regard.

    So, with AudioLayer even if there is just one instance loaded as AU stops playing regardless of what else is going on?

    Right now, yes. Got 20 gigs free space and it’s a 128GB unit.

    Send me your GB project and I'll see what's up.

    Thank you so much offering, but sadly I can’t because the samples are not mine to share.

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