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Australia on fire - wanna help?

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  • @robertreynolds said:

    While climate change is clearly a concern the world needs to address, I’m not convinced that these fires are the result of climate change. Focusing on climate change may feel good, but if we’re not willing to consider other causal factors, these catastrophes will only continue to happen. Hopefully, as you yourself said in your letter, we’re able to collectively have a dialog about the reasons why these terrible tragedies are happening.

    Best to you and your family (as well as anyone else facing this disaster).

    OMG here we have it folks.... another climate change denier

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/jan/08/australia-where-lies-and-conspiracy-theories-spread-like-bushfire

    Wake up Robert ..... join the dots mate!!

  • I expected this response.

  • @robertreynolds said:
    While climate change is clearly a concern the world needs to address, I’m not convinced that these fires are the result of climate change. Focusing on climate change may feel good, but if we’re not willing to consider other causal factors, these catastrophes will only continue to happen. Hopefully, as you yourself said in your letter, we’re able to collectively have a dialog about the reasons why these terrible tragedies are happening.

    Here you go 😃

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/jan/05/explainer-how-effective-is-bushfire-hazard-reduction-on-australias-fires?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

  • @robertreynolds said:
    I expected this response.

    And so you should.

    Linking to right wing rags with the predictable “ it aint clmate change, its those damn greenies and their no burnoff agenda thats causing these fires “ raves : is definitely going to raise the ire of anybody who doesnt buy into this simplistic and calculated argument.

    These fires are unprecedented. We are livng in a changed environment. This has been the hottest and driest year on record for Australia. Its hotter on average than its ever been. The intensity of these fires is exacerbated by the extended drought and much higher temperatures. The climate is changing...rapidly and exponentially.

    Where I live, in NewSouth Wales, there are fires occurring of never before experienced ferocity. In places that have never burned before. In rainforests. In world heritage areas.
    Huge firestorms destroying whole towns and communities.

    All the government does is continue to deny climate change. The mainstream media , which, here is mostly Rupert Murdoch controlled , is the mouthpiece of the Fossil Fools who are hanging on grimly to there anachronistic , outmoded technologies.

    Most people around here dont buy into this crap.
    The young people especially are seeing what is going on and are mobilising.

  • Wow Jes, that's a great photo....... nails it.

    Stay safe ...... where is the rain? Hopefully some soon.

  • I hope everyone is managing to breath there!!

    I‘ve never been very directly impacted by wildfires, but I can say last year well 2018 the Summer was pretty bad here. Every single surrounding US state including my state and also BC Canada had some pretty bad wildfires and all the smoke got really bad. The fires weren‘t even near Portland, OR and a lot of it came and settled here as it’s low elevation and I felt sick for weeks due to the smoke.

    I‘m sure it‘s probably worse in Australia at this point, and I just hope you all can breath and feel well as much as possible. I wish I could send some of the rain as it has been raining almost non-stop for 2 months here.

  • Fortunately it is starting to rain in far northern NSW and the fires are finally controlled ; and the smoke filled atmosphere is a lot clearer after months of heavy pollution and difficult breathing conditions...it is still very dry here but we are getting occasional storms.... but this is to be expected as this sub tropical area has its wet season in the southern hemisphere summer and autumn.
    Further south in southern NSW, Victoria, South Australia and southern Western Australia
    it is dry season and high fire danger for months to come. May it rain for them also. ✌️🙏

  • G'day Robert.

    Normally I'd resist quibbling over details when we agree on so much, but it's important that folks understand what's happening here.

    I live in the Australian bush - big hat cattle country - annoyingly hilly - smack in the middle of this ...I've have had an ongoing role with the Rural Fire Service and National Parks Fire Management for over 40 years. I've just got off the phone from a friend - her place has been hit three times in four months. They come back for more these fires. And her place was burned off by the RFS in a fuel reduction program two years ago. I don't think we can mow the place like a lawn.

    20 years ago anything like this sort of fire saw hundreds of deaths and tiny towns wiped away... and Robert in those 20 years we've learned a lot. We've had to. If we handled this like we used to we'd be losing major regional towns and the suburbs of capital cities. We've come close before. We're a lucky country. But these fires are unstoppable.

    When I started we used to "fight fires" - we could even put them out. Now we can't more often than not. What firefighting on a landscape scale means is falling back when you have to, of not "fighting the fire" - you just try and stop it at key protection zones - carve fire breaks, bulldoze vast cuts through miles of bush - back to bare dirt ... most often try and steer it ... but only defending what one can ... it's essentially a very complex military operation - a managed retreat ... mass evacuations - a defensive battle based on triaging, serious science and managed loss.

    But the reason we've learned a lot Robert is that we've had to ... things have been changing for the last 20 years - the old techniques were getting people killed - firies and civilians alike. Fires have lifted their game: our fires today are fiercer, faster, more mobile and at a greater scale - greater in heat, size, frequency, speed and danger. They bombard the dry landscape with embers miles ahead of the front. So big and hot they create their own thunderstorms and send tornadoes of flame spiralling through the bush. A week back one such gust flipped an fully loaded fire truck killing the volunteer driver - https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-12-31/rfs-volunteer-firefighter-dies-in-truck-rollover/11833634

    That is not business as usual I'm afraid. But it is what we have been expecting and planning for ... what we must all plan for.
    We are watching your children's future. Sad eh?

    Someone should do something, Robert.

  • @Soundscaper said:

    G'day Robert.

    Normally I'd resist quibbling over details when we agree on so much, but it's important that folks understand what's happening here.

    I live in the Australian bush - big hat cattle country - annoyingly hilly - smack in the middle of this ...I've have had an ongoing role with the Rural Fire Service and National Parks Fire Management for over 40 years. I've just got off the phone from a friend - her place has been hit three times in four months. They come back for more these fires. And her place was burned off by the RFS in a fuel reduction program two years ago. I don't think we can mow the place like a lawn.

    20 years ago anything like this sort of fire saw hundreds of deaths and tiny towns wiped away... and Robert in those 20 years we've learned a lot. We've had to. If we handled this like we used to we'd be losing major regional towns and the suburbs of capital cities. We've come close before. We're a lucky country. But these fires are unstoppable.

    When I started we used to "fight fires" - we could even put them out. Now we can't more often than not. What firefighting on a landscape scale means is falling back when you have to, of not "fighting the fire" - you just try and stop it at key protection zones - carve fire breaks, bulldoze vast cuts through miles of bush - back to bare dirt ... most often try and steer it ... but only defending what one can ... it's essentially a very complex military operation - a managed retreat ... mass evacuations - a defensive battle based on triaging, serious science and managed loss.

    But the reason we've learned a lot Robert is that we've had to ... things have been changing for the last 20 years - the old techniques were getting people killed - firies and civilians alike. Fires have lifted their game: our fires today are fiercer, faster, more mobile and at a greater scale - greater in heat, size, frequency, speed and danger. They bombard the dry landscape with embers miles ahead of the front. So big and hot they create their own thunderstorms and send tornadoes of flame spiralling through the bush. A week back one such gust flipped an fully loaded fire truck killing the volunteer driver - https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-12-31/rfs-volunteer-firefighter-dies-in-truck-rollover/11833634

    That is not business as usual I'm afraid. But it is what we have been expecting and planning for ... what we must all plan for.
    We are watching your children's future. Sad eh?

    Someone should do something, Robert.

    Respect ✊🏽

  • Thanks for writing that @Soundscaper. You put more than just a face on it. You put undeniable reality on it. Eloquent writing can say more than a thousand pictures because you feel the humanity in every word you have written.

  • @robertreynolds said:
    I expected this response.

    Well come on Robert, you could have at least posted a photo of kid with something drawn on her, or quoted the Guardian unironically.

    I don’t fly. I drive about 300 miles a year. I’m vegan. I’m onboard with all the clean planet initiatives. I’ve donated to the firefighters.

  • @AtticusL said:

    @robertreynolds said:
    I expected this response.

    Well come on Robert, you could have at least posted a photo of kid with something drawn on her, or quoted the Guardian unironically.

    Are you talking about the Guardian UK newspaper?

  • I assume so. By the way, online there’s a Guardian US and a Guardian Aus.

  • @qryss said:
    I assume so. By the way, online there’s a Guardian US and a Guardian Aus.

    Right. We always need to cast a critical eye over the media but I would be very sorry if the Guardian’s journalism no longer existed. It may be far from perfect but it is still worth supporting, even with its biases. In the new age of declining print ad revenue and our ability to block ads online, this is one subscription I recommend. I know it is not black and white (ha!) but the sad alternative is purely corporate funded news or the trolling soundbite ad-copy ‘news’ on Facebook etc.

  • @gusgranite said:

    @qryss said:
    I assume so. By the way, online there’s a Guardian US and a Guardian Aus.

    Right. We always need to cast a critical eye over the media but I would be very sorry if the Guardian’s journalism no longer existed. It may be far from perfect but it is still worth supporting, even with its biases. In the new age of declining print ad revenue and our ability to block ads online, this is one subscription I recommend. I know it is not black and white (ha!) but the sad alternative is purely corporate funded news or the trolling soundbite ad-copy ‘news’ on Facebook etc.

    To keep it on topic, here is the Guardian’s journalism on Climate Change so you can make up your own mind: https://www.theguardian.com/environment/climate-change

  • edited January 2020

    @AtticusL said:

    @robertreynolds said:
    I expected this response.

    Well come on Robert, you could have at least posted a photo of kid with something drawn on her, or quoted the Guardian unironically.

    I don’t fly. I drive about 300 miles a year. I’m vegan. I’m onboard with all the clean planet initiatives. I’ve donated to the firefighters.

    I’m not having kids.

  • @gusgranite Full disclosure: I subscribe to the Guardian. There is no paywall, by the way, but if you like what you read it is IMO worth supporting.

  • @qryss said:
    @gusgranite Full disclosure: I subscribe to the Guardian. There is no paywall, by the way, but if you like what you read it is IMO worth supporting.

    👍

  • @robertreynolds said:
    Thanks for the local donation links Michael. I have, and will continue, to donate when these types of emergencies happen. I think firefighters and other responders are heroes.

    I absolutely adore both Australia and California. I have friends in Australia and friends and family in California who have been affected by terrible fires.

    While climate change is clearly a concern the world needs to address, I’m not convinced that these fires are the result of climate change. Focusing on climate change may feel good, but if we’re not willing to consider other causal factors, these catastrophes will only continue to happen. Hopefully, as you yourself said in your letter, we’re able to collectively have a dialog about the reasons why these terrible tragedies are happening.

    Best to you and your family (as well as anyone else facing this disaster).

    https://cliffmass.blogspot.com/2018/11/was-global-warming-significant-factor.html?m=1

    https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/bushfire-scientist-david-packham-warns-of-huge-blaze-threat-urges-increase-in-fuel-reduction-burns-20150312-14259h.html

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/australian-wildfires-were-caused-by-humans-not-climate-change

    Thumbs up

  • Injured wildlife .... care and rescue

  • @robertreynolds unfortunately these fire are the result of climate change, no doubts. Temperatures were around 50° last year in Australia, so the actual fire was ineluctable...

    World is going to collapse if we don't drastically reduce the CO2 we produce, no doubts.

    If the world was living as US people, we'd need 5 times the earth of ressources every year.
    4 earth if we were living as Australians actually does.
    French are at 2.7 earth and so on...

    We really need to stop this madness, it's not "just" our children, we're all going to suffer this massive extinction.

    I'm stopping here as there's a lot of links and discussions we need to all have, not sure it's the right place...

  • @crony

    @crony said:
    @robertreynolds unfortunately these fire are the result of climate change, no doubts. Temperatures were around 50° last year in Australia, so the actual fire was ineluctable...

    World is going to collapse if we don't drastically reduce the CO2 we produce, no doubts.

    If the world was living as US people, we'd need 5 times the earth of ressources every year.
    4 earth if we were living as Australians actually does.
    French are at 2.7 earth and so on...

    We really need to stop this madness, it's not "just" our children, we're all going to suffer this massive extinction.

    I'm stopping here as there's a lot of links and discussions we need to all have, not sure it's the right place...

    +1

  • Inspiration of tonight...

  • @crony said:
    @robertreynolds unfortunately these fire are the result of climate change, no doubts. Temperatures were around 50° last year in Australia, so the actual fire was ineluctable...

    World is going to collapse if we don't drastically reduce the CO2 we produce, no doubts.

    If the world was living as US people, we'd need 5 times the earth of ressources every year.
    4 earth if we were living as Australians actually does.
    French are at 2.7 earth and so on...

    We really need to stop this madness, it's not "just" our children, we're all going to suffer this massive extinction.

    I'm stopping here as there's a lot of links and discussions we need to all have, not sure it's the right place...

    To stop the madness would need such a radical solution, that would turn the socio-political system of the whole world on it’s head, this isn’t going to happen.

  • Wanna bet?

    The one thing you can learn from history is that people never learn anything from history.

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