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Yeah there are a few third party issues porting Serum, all the filters are by Cyatomic for instance, thats why they eclipse most synths, its pretty much a case of if you need it mobile, buy a windows tablet and be done with it.
they directly provided code ? Because if Steve just used their free papers about filtering like this : https://cytomic.com/files/dsp/SvfLinearTrapOptimised2.pdf , then there should be not legal issue..
i think biggest problem is UI.. AUv3 standard on iOS has a lot of constrains in terms of UI (different viewport sizes, limited viewport size, need of dynamic resizing of elements) - i can see how most of complicated work for porting Serum would be UI related, not DSP code itself
For a synth similar to Serum on iOS, you were advised to wait for SynthMaster Two
Direct code provided by Cytomic, a lot of it too for the filter code apparently.
At $189, is Serum really 19 times better than Nave? 47 times better than Synthmaster One?
I don’t see nave and serum as anything very similar in my opinion.
Synthmaster one is as close as you can get on iOS so far...Steve isn’t fired up about bringing serum to iOS from a lot of his responses...I wouldn’t say it’s a flat out no...but I wouldn’t hold my breath for a long time either.
Serum is my absolute favorite wavetable synth period...it just sounds great, and is easy to program, the effects are great too! Another one that would be dope to have on iOS is pigments!
while its architecture is much more open ended than Serum, Drambo will soon sport an impressive wavetable oscillator, and word is that it will accept Serum wavetables.
It’s funny how different ears/ minds hear things differently, nave just never clicked for me. I bought it on day 1 but I wasn’t able to make it do anything that I liked. I haven’t tried serum, so I can’t speak to that. But we all have our preferences. I have definitely heard Steve Duda talk about the math involved and how it avoids aliasing unlike anything else.
And yet, my favorite sounding synth on ios is still sunrizer, it just sounds pleasing to my ears.
Yeah, sunrizer is gorgeous I neglected it for a while because it isn't mpe, but have been revisiting it recently, sounds fantastic.
I think people forget that 'best synth' is like saying 'best music' - it's highly subjective and taste-dependent.
Synths bring the great advantage that you can get your hands on for a massive change if you don't like what you hear.
That's true of course, good point.
Synthwise, there a “Jack of all Trades”, like Obsidian in NS2, and single purpose synths like Dixie (FM), BS-16i (Soundfont), Tardigrain (granular) etc.
It’s a matter of what sound you want to accomplish, and which tools are in your arsenal. You can even make a “lush” sound by using a simple synth and add external Fx (AUfx).
I wonder why there are so many synths with internal effects like reverb, delay, chorus etc. It seems to me that these effects should be accomplished outside the synth, like on a send bus, so all different synths you use in a project have the same “ambiance”, and less “murky”.
The more depth and modular power an iOS synth has, the more I love it...which is why I’m still kicking myself for not buying all the PPG synths before they were taken off the store. I’m glad I got PPG Infinite at least, though the knobs can be a bit janky and I’m not a huge fan of the UI..
Thor, Nave and Factory are probably my favorites...Synthmaster One is a close 4th for me, though I’m not as big a fan of the interface and sound as the former 3. Zeeon isn’t wavetable but it’s plenty powerful for a standard VA.
The best sound and interface of all time has got to be Z3TA+ .. Such a crying shame it’ll likely never see the light of day on the app store again. I still occasionally reverse my iPad’s clock, so I can keep using it (What were the devs thinking with that timed self-destruct update?
Yes, I don't have Nave but I have certainly gotten way more than 47 times as many usable results using Serum than I have Synthmaster One, which I certainly would not even think of buying on desktop after using it on iOS, it isn't even comparable to Serum in sound or features.
Talk to @giku_beepstreet 😉
I'm relatively new to iOS music, had no idea Z3TA+ was previously available! That was one of my go-to synths for making psytrance on desktop years back.
Haha, I imagine you have already done that? Meanwhile I'm still waiting for supposedly mpe Phosphor to actually be fixed so the damn mpe can be used, 😅
The more, the better. He might forget, busy as he is with all things Drambo
For those who own Serum, is it good for quite, ambient-ish Music? And any who might have test its MPE implementation?
@despego I tested the demo version when it came out. The mpe implementation was nowhere near the level of equator, strobe or cypher. It might have improved though, give the demo a try and see for yourself.
Thanks, @Gavinski at the moment I keep only Pigments 2 (and Alchemy from Logic) as my Mac synths. Serum tempts me but sometimes I think it is only for EDM music 🤷♂️
DIVA plz on ios (Uhe) only prob, it will be a cpuhog
on topic- Synthmaster one must be closest to serum
Pigments is definitely my new favorite for modern sounding synths, w/ the best workflow I’ve seen in something this deep. Just a beautiful, well thought out instrument. It’s made both Reason’s Grain and Serum obsolete for me.
I still prefer U/HE arsenal when I’m going for lush/analog sounds, but it can come close even at that.
I hope we eventually see Pigments or Bitwig/The Grid on iOS. We have some of the best audio processors on the platform w/ the fabs and eventides, but nothing quite that caliber for synthesis.
I doubt Urs will port anything to iOS, but if he ever did - I think Zebra would be the ace in the hole. It can do the lush/analog sound almost as well as Diva, but with far deeper/more extensive sound design potential — plus it’s more efficient on CPU.
I just bought it last week and after spending just a few minutes with it, it was easy to understand why it’s the sound design tool of choice for composers like Hans Zimmer.
Yes, Synthmaster as you can import Serum's wavetables to it and use it like Serum. However, I made a free iPad MIDI controller for Serum.
Download link in video description.
Let me know what you think.
On the desktop Pigments is also my favourite synth with a wavetable implementation, Serum is easier to program but Pigments offers such rich possibilities (it great to see Artutria use what they’ve learnt over the years creating emulations and pile that knowledge into something unique).
On iOS, I love Nave, but Drambo offers opportinities very similar to Pigments in the sense that you can mix and match different synthesis methodologies with wavetable synthesis into a super hybrid synth. You have to build it yourself of course, but that’s what makes it so rewarding.
Where are these free Serum wave files?
https://cymatics.fm/blogs/production/ultimate-list-free-serum-wavetables
The video is set to private.