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That was awesome! Thanks for continuing to share.
🙏🏻🙏🏻
Really great - thanks!
Thanks.Glad you enjoyed it. I’m having a good time with the Luma Fusion fx. Very trippy stuff!
What are you drumming on?
That was cool. I kept waiting for a prodigy break to drop 😂
I love your work... I'm working through the YouTube Channel on a big screen with headphones. Just started the Drambo Impaktor piece. I love Impaktor and drambo just opens more doors for it's model of tonal drum triggering.
I had a project where I triggered drum sounds using FAC Envolver with sticks on a drum pad. I wish Fred had taken that idea and made Envolver pitch sensitive for multiple Pads to produce different notes rather than needing to run multiple instances with distinct audio ins. He seemed interested but has released 2 other ideas since I put it out there.
https://forum.audiob.us/discussion/32380/drumming-with-fac-envolver-as-midi-trigger-no-scripting-for-rc275-geoshred-sunrizer/p1
All my audio demos are gone since I was using the space limited SoundCloud but I have now upgraded that. One user demo survives:
Yeah, so LumaFusion is very cool and I like the video with FX--would also like a version that gives us a "peek behind the curtain".
That’s a second generation KORG wavedrum. I have it set for an atonal snare sound and send that through some resonator fx. The pitch of those fx can be changed by midi note values coming from my foot pedal( which is also playing bass and telling the lead instrument what pitch to play). I have to do it that way because the wavedrum doesn’t have midi in/out. I also have a Drum Kat midi controller for playing samples. Optionally I’ll also have a Roland pad triggering Impaktor/ Drambo.
“When is it gonna kick in?” is something I’ve heard a lot in my day.
I blame those damn musicians who use mellow/ trippy intros to their heavy stuff!😄
Having sticks and a big rig of pads probably sets the expectation you'll have a drum solo
like section with 64th note patterns or "arm windmills" in your tom-tom work or double bass drum sonic assaults. Can you perform in blue body paint?
I'm not complaining... you make drummers look like they could make music with real depth if they do the research on sound engines. A few have. Bozzio? Wackerman?
Wackerman is the best drummer's surname ever. I have followed him from the age of 13.
His dad raised a household of musicians with everything set up in their living room.
I wrote a Vibes solo for the littlest brother John who is also a drummer for $20 for a Quincy Jones arrangement. Their dad was the music teacher at Seal Beach Jr High School.
A man someone should make a movie about... he was also a drummer.
Google Murray Spivak and then add Wackerman to the search. Maybe a movie about Murray would be an even better idea. The inventor of the "sound effects department" at RKO/Universal... he made King Kong roar. Best drum teacher ever.
@McD I'm not complaining... you make drummers look like they could make music with real depth if they do the research on sound engines. A few have. Bozzio? Wackerman?
I think Bozzio needs a bigger kit!😄
I actually grew up playing fusion/prog. Later got into space and electronic new age.When MIDI came out, I turned towards composing.
Four electronic drummers that inspired me:
I will check these out. I saw an Akiro Jimbo clinic video and he is an amazing groove
artist. I had no idea Micheal Shrieve had an extended career. His Woodstock performance was legendary w/ Santana. Bruford got lost in my resistance to prog rock bands. Just preferred triplets I think. Still do. Swing... in all things.
would also like a version that gives us a "peek behind the curtain".
Edit: Do you mean without fx or a behind the scene instructional video? If it’s the former then ignore the following.
Do you really want to take the red pill?🙂
I had to think a bit before responding to your request.The thought of an instructional video has never appealed to me. A whole other level of complexity. Plus I like there to be a bit of magic left.
I’m also very curious about your set up/ work flow/performance. So here’s my challenge to you - I’ll make one if you make one. Maybe a run down of how things are set up/ a demo of each separate instrument and then a short song showing how things come together. No talking if you’re not into that (I know I’m not).Text descriptions and arrows?You in?
@McD I had a project where I triggered drum sounds using FAC Envolver with sticks on a drum pad. I wish Fred had taken that idea and made Envolver pitch sensitive for multiple Pads to produce different notes rather than needing to run multiple instances with distinct audio ins. He seemed interested but has released 2 other ideas since I put it out there.
I have Envolver but never really checked it out. Will have to soon. Thanks for the link and also your kind words.
It could be useful if you have any physical surfaces you like to use... It processes
the incoming audio signal and outputs a MIDI note with the amplitude shape of the input.
So, it can allow for hits but maybe more important to you allow for swells, rolls.
It likely given the quality of your pads you won't find a use for it since it's strictly MIDI out
for notes and CC's. It only outputs a single note and my "ask" of Fred is to do some pitch detection to simulate a multi-PAD device.
@McD So that’s what it does. I actually have a max for live device that converts audio transients into midi notes. I would think envolver would be a good candidate for putting the mosaic melodic round robin after it if you want different pitches.
Yes... if all you want is a time-based trigger event for audio events. You get a threshold midi event so the timing doesn't match the timing of the peak. I created a StreamByter script to capture the even peaks for any volume transient. It just captured when the volume starts to decline after rising and then sent the MIDI Note out. That's the little tweak I was hoping @FredAntonCorvest would add along with the potential for some pitch detection to get multiple triggers from one instance but as an AUv3 you CAN run many FAC Envolver instances. Nothing is like it but I suspect Drambo can also do this transient to MIDI conversions since it has "Impaktor" demos already and @giku_beepstreet wrote both apps.
@McD Just tried Envolver out and I’m somewhat impressed. It’s limited to scales which you know I’m not crazy about.The trick is to use the follower mode. Kind of like a midi Impaktor. Got good results from this set up in AUM with two Sunrizers -triggering with my Roland pad.
Drambo can’t do this. It has midi to cv but not cv to midi.
Maybe @FredAntonCorvest will add features or build another app for percussion triggering applications
and add more pitch options on the audio in and for he MIDI out. He could add a simple sequencer for your style of performance.
Would you use a piano roll to define the notes to be played out as you create transient input events?
I'd also like him to send MIDI sync'ed to the transient peaks and outputting a MIDI Note Velocity corresponding to the transient peaks volume level: A true Drum trigger app. I've never tried putting
drum tapping into MIDI Guitar 2 to see what it thinks should be sent. Maybe I should just tap on the
guitar as a first step.
Sorry to jump in the convo, but I've been considering this problem too. If FAC Envolver can output a note trigger and a scale, it should be possible to remap the notes in the scale, to a sequence of user defined notes with mfxConvert or midifire.
@McD Would you use a piano roll to define the notes to be played out as you create transient input events?
A piano roll is exactly what those two max for live devices use that I showed you in the other thread about melodic round robin/ real-time step sequencing.
@McD I'd also like him to send MIDI sync'ed to the transient peaks and outputting a MIDI Note Velocity corresponding to the transient peaks volume level: A true Drum trigger app.
I’m actually discovering velocity zones of sorts using the two threshold knobs and midi cc settings and using Sunrizer’s modulation input. I’ll make a quick video showing that.
@aleyas it should be possible to remap the notes in the scale, to a sequence of user defined notes with mfxConvert or midifire.
This is exactly what I was trying to create in the other thread with the round robin request. Only now the midi that would feed this round robin sequencer is initially triggered by sound!😀
Did you see this? It's from @supadom on the Drambo thread:
Thanks @McD ! Going there now.
@supadom Midi version of the
legendary Impaktor!
Wow! Simple yet great concept. Instead of external audio being resonated - midI trigger internal audio to be resonated!
@McD Here is an example of using the thresholds and using the cc envelopes . Lower transients equal lower modulation wheel- higher the opposite. If you can assign envelopes to the mod wheel I’m sure you can assign to volume and have a work around for velocity too. I’m going to keep experimenting . I plan on adding this to my hand rig In AUM along with the numerous things in Drambo .
I’m sure a lot of this has been gone over back when it came out. I feel a little late to the party but perfect time to incorporate it into my new rig!
Wonderful track, love it. Would definitely like to see an instructional video on this, yes!
I adore these kind of resonant sounds, playing drums through cusnp / objeq are something I am starting to experiment with, I'd love to know what you are doing under the hood here.
Excellent point... Just convert the CC's into velocity values. I still have to investigate the potential of CC events and what I can do with them. Everything I do now is about the timing of Note Events (on and off) with Velocity.
I'm glad this chat has shown you some additional tools. FAC Envolver is a really unusual app with some
wonderful potential uses. It can be used to provide the sound of side-chaining by correlating drum accents to reduce the volume (typically with a compressor FX) of other tracks in a project.
I'm sure you'll think of a lot of clever ways to use these envelopes for your musical style. I really like that fact that there's no a sense of a clock involved in your sound... it's got a human touch in it's DNA.