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2020 current best sequencers / generative apps for ambient music?

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  • I think the touchscaper sequencing once midi drops is going to be epic.

  • @Gavinski said:
    @Monome I’m leaning a bit more towards Cykle as it is AU, and it seems the dev has been really amazing at updating the app since it came out. Do you use it?

    Yes, and I like it. But... I need more scales. That's very important for me. And then, separation of pitch, length and pulse is still a bit confusing for me so I never know how long my sequence is. Definitely I need more time with it.

  • @Jumpercollins said:
    I think the touchscaper sequencing once midi drops is going to be epic.

    :open_mouth: what was that?

  • Don't forget that Wotja also has a free version, so you can check it out before deciding whether to pick it up in the sale. They've just added a step sequencer interface to the pattern editor, which really opens up the possibilities. It's never going to be AU, but it's far and away the deepest of these apps, though it also has the Flow mode for instant gratification.

  • @drewinnit said:
    For those saying Drambo, can you suggest how to get generative sequences out of it? I assume not using the sequencer itself, but I'm not sure which modules could create generative triggers (and can you quantize the pitch?)

    This..... I open up Drambo and just stare at it for hours..... that’s what I get for being an old fart.... I guess I need to lock myself away from the family and try to learn some of it. I am such a linear guy though..... I don’t like live jams. I like to get a great sequence going then I will record it to Xequence and then I have a nice timeline to see and adjust.....

  • @Monome I ended up getting cykle, seems really great on first impression, i also noticed the very small number of scales though, weird. Seems like something that could easily be remedied in an update. Lots to like about it though, absolutely love the GUI, nice size, pretty intuitive though I am about to look at the manual to figure out a few things that are not so clear.
    @masanga yeah I noticed and downloaded that free version earlier, will check it out later, thnx a lot.

  • edited April 2020

    @syrupcore Yes! Quantum is awesome. The whole foundation is a Berlin School sequencer with loads of options.

    Edit: Btw, how do you manage to set a sequence as timing source?

    @echoopera amazing what you squeeze out of drambo. But that's the cool thing. No matter which app, you keep consistent in your style :love:

  • edited April 2020

    @onerez said:

    @drewinnit said:
    For those saying Drambo, can you suggest how to get generative sequences out of it? I assume not using the sequencer itself, but I'm not sure which modules could create generative triggers (and can you quantize the pitch?)

    This..... I open up Drambo and just stare at it for hours..... that’s what I get for being an old fart.... I guess I need to lock myself away from the family and try to learn some of it. I am such a linear guy though..... I don’t like live jams. I like to get a great sequence going then I will record it to Xequence and then I have a nice timeline to see and adjust.....

    I'm loving Drambo for this kind of stuff, and so far (for me) it's all about using the Step Components in the sequencer. It may not be entirely generative in the "I pressed play and drifted away" sense of the word...but it generates ideas and happy accidents in a way I've seldom encountered.

    Here's an example of how I might build something up:

    The "Jump" component when set to 1 is essentially like "Last Step" on Roland x0x boxes. This means each track in your sequence can be a different length. Maybe track 1 is 16 steps, track 2 is 13 steps, etc. Ok, neat...polyrhythms (polymeter? I always get them confused).

    Hmm now I can stick a Cycle Condition in front of the Jump, so that maybe every 2nd pass of my sequence a track will have a different length. Cool yeah track 1 will always be 16 steps, but track 2 will be 13 steps on one pass and 9 steps on the second pass.

    Ooh I said "maybe", so yeah let's put a Random Condition after the Cycle Condition, but in front of the Jump...so now on every second pass of my sequence a track will have a different length 75% of the time (40%? 17%?..whatever sounds fun).

    Ok now on some steps let's put a Cycle Condition in front of a Transpose component. Yeah every 3rd pass we want that note on step 5 to be a fifth up. Cool. Hmm should we now stick a Random Condition in front of that transpose? Sure why not.

    And perhaps this chord I have on this track over here might sound better spread out over time, so let's add some Cycle Conditions in front of each note component so they all play on different passes of the sequence, like an arpeggiator. Let's also transpose the root up an octave every once in a while because inversions can be fun.

    Ok now let's...OMG IT'S 4:30 AM AND I HAVE TO BE UP AT 7:00. Drambo strikes again.

  • @unicity said:

    @onerez said:

    @drewinnit said:
    For those saying Drambo, can you suggest how to get generative sequences out of it? I assume not using the sequencer itself, but I'm not sure which modules could create generative triggers (and can you quantize the pitch?)

    This..... I open up Drambo and just stare at it for hours..... that’s what I get for being an old fart.... I guess I need to lock myself away from the family and try to learn some of it. I am such a linear guy though..... I don’t like live jams. I like to get a great sequence going then I will record it to Xequence and then I have a nice timeline to see and adjust.....

    I'm loving Drambo for this kind of stuff, and so far (for me) it's all about using the Step Components in the sequencer. It may not be entirely generative in the "I pressed play and drifted away" sense of the word...but it generates ideas and happy accidents in a way I've seldom encountered.

    Here's an example of how I might build something up:

    The "Jump" component when set to 1 is essentially like "Last Step" on Roland x0x boxes. This means each track in your sequence can be a different length. Maybe track 1 is 16 steps, track 2 is 13 steps, etc. Ok, neat...polyrhythms (polymeter? I always get them confused).

    Hmm now I can stick a Cycle Condition in front of the Jump, so that maybe every 2nd pass of my sequence a track will have a different length. Cool yeah track 1 will always be 16 steps, but track 2 will be 13 steps on one pass and 9 steps on the second pass.

    Ooh I said "maybe", so yeah let's put a Random Condition after the Cycle Condition, but in front of the Jump...so now on every 2 second pass of my sequence a track will have a different length 75% of the time (40%? 17%?..whatever sounds fun).

    Ok now on some steps let's put a Cycle Condition in front of a Transpose component. Yeah every 3rd pass we want that note on step 5 to be a fifth up. Cool. Hmm should we now stick a Random Condition in front of that transpose? Sure why not.

    And perhaps this chord I have on this track over here might sound better spread out over time, so let's add some Cycle Conditions in front of each note component so they all play on different passes of the sequence, like an arpeggiator. Let's also transpose the root up an octave every once in a while because inversions can be fun.

    Ok now let's...OMG IT'S 4:30 AM AND I HAVE TO BE UP AT 7:00. Drambo strikes again.

    Perfectly outlined 👊🏼™️

  • @unicity @echoopera .... so that might as well been written in French....... sad face. I really appreciate the example. I think what I need to do is stop watching shite on Netflix and start learning what the hell you are talking about in there. I am dumb old guitar player with a lot of dead brain cells.

    Or.. I could pay someone to online teach me!!!! :-)

  • Hah well if it's any consolation I'd have no idea what to do with a guitar beyond butchering Smoke On the Water. :)

  • @echoopera said:
    @Gavinski not to hijack your thread, but here’s a little example of something ambient in nature i composed using Drambo. It was a bit of a breakthrough for me...this piece made me realize that i have 5-8 OctaTracks at my disposal using Drambo all within AUM. That just blew my mind. FWIW, I’ve only had Drambo for 2 weeks, so I’ve barely scratched the surface of what it offers...

    Here’s the track...not sure if it’s in your style or some variant of what you like composing, but I’m in the 70-85bpm range when i create my pieces. 🙏🏼💕

    Thats nice, but it doesn't appear to be "generative" as the thread topic specifies. It looks like you're set up a few ambient pieces that you're basically "playing" and making changes on the fly. I don't see anything generative here, ie. where software is generating new patterns, not the user. Unless I'm missing it.

  • PolyPhase is my most reached-for tool for ambient-esque sequencing to accompany drones and the like. The learning curve is pretty minimal, and the it's straightforward to put in a little bit of prep work and end up with a very playable instrument that can be a solid foundation for a track. I feel like of the generative sequencers I've tried, it feels most comfortably like it's own instrument/personality, rather than a tool in part of a larger system. So it'll just depend on whether or not that's what you're seeking, if you have the same affinity.

    I also like Shockwave's built in sequencing capabilities for generative-type work. Since the note shift and octave jumping capabilities can be modulated in so many different ways, it's pretty fun an easy to get constantly mutating results, once you learn the settings a bit.

  • @drewinnit said:
    For those saying Drambo, can you suggest how to get generative sequences out of it? I assume not using the sequencer itself, but I'm not sure which modules could create generative triggers (and can you quantize the pitch?)

    +1 interested in this too. I was hoping @echoopera 's piece would be the example I'm looking for, but I didn't see any generative triggers in the video posted. Nice ambient track though :)

  • @Scarred_Archimedes I love using Shockwave generatively like this but find it a bit mystifying how it all works. Could you explain, for example, what the logic is behind the way that the envelope, for example, triggers notes? I hear it doing its thing, and can manipulate it to some extent, but don’t fully understand.

  • Also, although you only have one instance of Polyphase, are you able to send different sequences to different external instruments at the same time?

  • @unicity said:

    >

    Ok now let's...OMG IT'S 4:30 AM AND I HAVE TO BE UP AT 7:00. Drambo strikes again.

    This last step is very important...

  • @onerez said:
    @unicity @echoopera .... so that might as well been written in French....... sad face. I really appreciate the example. I think what I need to do is stop watching shite on Netflix and start learning what the hell you are talking about in there. I am dumb old guitar player with a lot of dead brain cells.

    Or.. I could pay someone to online teach me!!!! :-)

    I would print out that post. Fire up Drambo and copy each step. Once you get the hang of the sequencer in Drambo it's actually very straightforward.

  • @cian said:

    @onerez said:
    @unicity @echoopera .... so that might as well been written in French....... sad face. I really appreciate the example. I think what I need to do is stop watching shite on Netflix and start learning what the hell you are talking about in there. I am dumb old guitar player with a lot of dead brain cells.

    Or.. I could pay someone to online teach me!!!! :-)

    I would print out that post. Fire up Drambo and copy each step. Once you get the hang of the sequencer in Drambo it's actually very straightforward.

    I can do a walk thru of this in a video with voice over if anyone is interested.

  • @echoopera said:

    @cian said:

    @onerez said:
    @unicity @echoopera .... so that might as well been written in French....... sad face. I really appreciate the example. I think what I need to do is stop watching shite on Netflix and start learning what the hell you are talking about in there. I am dumb old guitar player with a lot of dead brain cells.

    Or.. I could pay someone to online teach me!!!! :-)

    I would print out that post. Fire up Drambo and copy each step. Once you get the hang of the sequencer in Drambo it's actually very straightforward.

    I can do a walk thru of this in a video with voice over if anyone is interested.

    What’s your PayPal. I send cash!! 😀

  • @Gavinski said:
    Also, although you only have one instance of Polyphase, are you able to send different sequences to different external instruments at the same time?

    Yep. There are 4 midi channels

    I've just had a session with Cykle. I don't know, too many clicks/taps every time I want to do something.

  • edited April 2020

    For me, sequencer with p-lock approach is the opposite to "generative".

    If you want do generative as in modular thinking, Audulus / Mirack is your thing.

    The other options, are "semi-random programmed sequencer" at best

  • Would be interested, sure!

    @echoopera said:

    @cian said:

    @onerez said:
    @unicity @echoopera .... so that might as well been written in French....... sad face. I really appreciate the example. I think what I need to do is stop watching shite on Netflix and start learning what the hell you are talking about in there. I am dumb old guitar player with a lot of dead brain cells.

    Or.. I could pay someone to online teach me!!!! :-)

    I would print out that post. Fire up Drambo and copy each step. Once you get the hang of the sequencer in Drambo it's actually very straightforward.

    I can do a walk thru of this in a video with voice over if anyone is interested.

  • @Gavinski said:
    Don't see Gestrument Pro mentioned much here btw, any fans?

    I am. Grab a Debussy Midi file, import and voila, your ambient machine.

    The only downside is that iOS 13 introduced crackles into the internal sounds. Any news on that @JesperNordin ?

  • @echoopera said:

    @cian said:

    @onerez said:
    @unicity @echoopera .... so that might as well been written in French....... sad face. I really appreciate the example. I think what I need to do is stop watching shite on Netflix and start learning what the hell you are talking about in there. I am dumb old guitar player with a lot of dead brain cells.

    Or.. I could pay someone to online teach me!!!! :-)

    I would print out that post. Fire up Drambo and copy each step. Once you get the hang of the sequencer in Drambo it's actually very straightforward.

    I can do a walk thru of this in a video with voice over if anyone is interested.

    David raises hands 🙌🏼
    Would be really cool mate!!!

  • @OnfraySin said:
    For me, sequencer with p-lock approach is the opposite to "generative".

    If you want do generative as in modular thinking, Audulus / Mirack is your thing.

    The other options, are "semi-random programmed sequencer" at best

    I'm not sure I would go so far as to say it's the opposite, but it's certainly a smaller subset of a truly generative approach. Any generative approach that isn't just "hey random!" is going to have some element of programming and or forethought attached to it.

    The nice thing about Drambo is that you can combine both approaches if you want...it does have some modules that support a more modular-minded approach, though I'm not going to try and convince anyone that it can keep up with Audulus or Mirack at this point in time.

  • @echoopera said:

    @cian said:

    @onerez said:
    @unicity @echoopera .... so that might as well been written in French....... sad face. I really appreciate the example. I think what I need to do is stop watching shite on Netflix and start learning what the hell you are talking about in there. I am dumb old guitar player with a lot of dead brain cells.

    Or.. I could pay someone to online teach me!!!! :-)

    I would print out that post. Fire up Drambo and copy each step. Once you get the hang of the sequencer in Drambo it's actually very straightforward.

    I can do a walk thru of this in a video with voice over if anyone is interested.

    👍

  • I don’t think I saw anyone mention Riffer. I use it to control a synth + Blackhole for some nice generative ambient tones.

  • @xraydash said:
    I don’t think I saw anyone mention Riffer. I use it to control a synth + Blackhole for some nice generative ambient tones.

    I did. Riffer is awesome for that. Just use it really really slow and several instances ;)

    I had an app that was called Refraktions or so, this was really a pain to set up but I heard some very very nice generative sonic endevours from it

  • @david_2017 said:

    @xraydash said:
    I don’t think I saw anyone mention Riffer. I use it to control a synth + Blackhole for some nice generative ambient tones.

    I did. Riffer is awesome for that. Just use it really really slow and several instances ;)

    I had an app that was called Refraktions or so, this was really a pain to set up but I heard some very very nice generative sonic endevours from it

    Ah, I see your comment now. So +1 for Riffer!

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