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The topic of this thread happens to be an area I have had great interest in following over the past few months.
I've been looking for a new way to record my notes and research, and it just so happens we are currently experiencing a real watershed moment in the evolution of digital note-taking.
The biggest innovations of the last 6 months is in the combination of bi-directional links, transclusion, and the concept of bottom-up note-taking backed by a graph database to manage all the 'neural' connections between your many and varied notes. When used together, these innovations are a real game-changer in the goal of having a note system that works like an external brain and powerful tool for thinking.
The leading example in this new era of note-taking apps is a particular browser-based web app (currently in closed beta) that is growing a cult status in productivity and academic research communities. Anyone with a passing interest in recent note-taking apps will likely know the particular webapp* I am alluding to here - in fact, I'm kinda surprised it hasn't been mentioned in this thread already!
However... there has also been an interesting backlash against this web app from users who can see it's power, but aren't happy building their personal note networks on a cloud-based system that will also begin charging large monthly subscription fees once it leaves beta in the net few months. So there is now a growing number of competitor apps that are essentially recreating the same experience but in a flat, markdown-based file system that you can easily manage, host, and backup wherever you want it to live (eg Dropbox, Drive, offline, etc.). The most interesting of these on desktop is currently Obsidian (also in beta - but you can request to be added via their website at Obsidian.md)
Well that's great for desktop users, but where does it leave users (like me) who would prefer a native iOS/android client app, plus the ability for offline access??
Well, I've looked at all the options, and the best of all available, which include at least some ability to 'thread you notes together' and that have native apps for iOS AND Android seem to be...
* if you're wondering why I haven't mentioned the main app that is driving a lot of these innovations there are two reason: (1) is because beta invites are currently closed so I don't want you to be disappointed that you can't join in the fun yet. And (2) is because I expect you to do a little bit of your own research and learning in this area too.
No, not unless I'm missing something. It's fairly basic in terms of what it can do. I like that it syncs across all my devices and has pencil support, but I forget why I chose it over the stock Notes app. Folders and dividers are there, so it's possible to organise a bit, but there must be better options.
Yep. It's Roam Research
...and I happen to love it so much I am seriously considering paying the $15 a month subscription to use it once it leaves beta.
I'm bummed that there are no apps for it yet though, and probably won't be for some time.
... This particular comment, which I just read in the Reddit link you posted above absolutely nails the beauty (and joy) of Roam:
Besides Bear, I also use iA Writer. It’s a very capable Markdown editor which has it’s own URL scheme. You can copy a link to a Markdown file and then insert it into another file like a normal Markdown link i.e.
[test](ia-writer://open?path=/Locations/iCloud/Test.md)- clicking that link will open the first document. That link is system-wide, it will also work from any other app like Apple Notes, Bear, Launch Center, you can even save it to the home screen for quick access.iA Writer supports document versioning - that’s why I sometimes use it instead of Bear. Though lately I started using it with another app - I keep my documents in a Git repository using Working Copy app and use iA Writer to edit them directly in the repository
Links also work only when in preview mode.
There’s also this app: https://apps.apple.com/au/app/notebooks-write-and-organize/id1490084838
I never used it, so can’t really recommend it but my friend swears by it. Looks like they have a free iPhone-only version to try before buying it
The mentions about neural networking, etc. triggered an idea somewhat out of left-field idea**. I'm a fan of brain mapping software, and have made good use of iThoughts on iOS.
iThoughts lets you graphically structure ideas and information. It lets you link to other mind maps, web pages, documents, lets you use markdown, images, PDF, free-form sketching, etc, etc, etc. You can build task lists, schedules, checklists ... just about anything really. Though it's primarily for structuring information, the level and type of structure is largely up to you. It is also able to dump web page snippets or links directly from Safari right into notes of the map. It can optionally(!) sync to the cloud for your other devices, and there are cross-platform versions. It exports in a number of different formats as well.
I've mainly used it for building and organizing thoughts about big projects, outlining proposals, preparing presentations and the like, which is somewhat the reverse of what you're looking for, which is why it didn't occur to me earlier, but the more I think about it the more applications to your use case I can think of.
@tja, if you're open to a very different paradigm, this does seem to check all the boxes of your OP.
https://apps.apple.com/app/ithoughts/id866786833?mt=8&ign-mpt=uo=4
https://www.toketaware.com/ithoughts-ios
(** sorry to non-US folks for the baseball analogy, meaning ... roughly ... "unusual".)
This is a great discussion, bit I also think we need to make a distinction between two different types of writing here:
Documenting ideas, research, stream of consciousness, quotes, resources and linking them all together in kind of wiki/external brain. This is what Roam Research excels at
Composing longform linear writing on a specific subject once you know what you want to say (i.e. writing a book). This is where tools like Scrivener, or @yug 's version-control GitHub system flourish.
Both approaches need different tools, and I am looking for the best solutions to each separately.
My hunch is that the OP was more interested in type #1 note taking, hence the mention of Roam and it's more recent offspring.
I’m in the same boat for a few months.
My approach is more about link analysis.
I love Maltego and Neo4j. I think that graph database is amazing for this kind of work.
Finally, I found Trillium and for me it’s the real game changer
This one?
https://github.com/zadam/trilium
It looks promising from over here, but it doesn't seem to be an iOS app. Although they do mention that it's touch-optimised for smartphones and tablets, so maybe it'll come over...
Very strong recommendation for:
DynaList.
Roam‘s bi-directional links are powerful, they give context in a way tagging things does not. I’ve been using Roam for about six months and it’s still very alpha and can cause data loss with multiple open tabs etc, so I would make sure to back up regularly. There’s also Obsidian as mentioned and Stroll which is a self-hosted Roam. There’s a long list of new school apps like this popping up.
Sounds like you want Notion OP, links/images/designery, but you said you used it. As of days ago, it’s free if that wasn’t mentioned.
I have Trillium deployed on Docker. I have a lot of services deployed inside a HA instance with Zenguard. iPhone, iPad and Macbooks are connected to this instance through VPN
Several shortcuts to different services with one Nginx Proxy Manager et voilà, have all my content encrypted, in my home, without any services and all open source.
So yes, Peace
Not for @tja as it's desktop-based and merely syncs with iOS apps, but Tinderbox has been around for decades with a similar paradigm to Roam Research, but as an app rather than a service. It's not cheap and I've never quite had enough need to spring for it, but those who do seem to get very deep into it.
I find the interoperable combination of OmniOutliner and OmniGraffle extremely powerful for building complex cognitive architectures, but again that's a solution to a different kind of problem.
Yes, I have a little homeserver where I have deployed a lot of services.
Ha is HomeAssistant, an open source home automation but I'm using as a management and orchestrator.
Inside HA, I have, for example, Pi-hole, for ads blocking and tracking
All my devices are connected through VPN to this server. So every time, wherever I am, it's like I'm at home. My server is my default gateway. All my connections are encrypted to my server,
Trilium is one of the services that I have deployed, as a docker server.
For every device that I have, https://trilium.myhome is my personal instance of Trilium. And only is accessible with the VPN, so the service is not published on Internet itself.
On iOS, you can make links in home screen to urls. A lot of apps are only a webwrapper!