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So, I made a Patreon...it did not go quite as I expected (ANSWERING YOUR QUESTIONS - LIVE PREMIERE)
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Glad at least some of it went through...
My intention wasn't to hurt but to induce feelings... as you can clearly see you do... overwhelmingly negative mind, but you choose to ignore that... I'm an artist and my message must be heard... that's fine, enjoy the ride...
I hear you and thank you for the encouragement.
I'm going to wait.
At some point soon I'll post up my basic c.v including
some notable names and then we'll go from there.
I have content but in that regards I'm a classic artist,
I'm totally disorganised and stupidly prolific.
For more important matters.
The general tone of the forum is quite down
at the moment for obvious reasons.
In a way @Samflash3 's threads have stirred up the
pot so to speak which is sometimes a good thing.
It means we check ourselves.
I do believe that we should be even more mindful
in the way we communicate during this time,
myself included.
Thank you for commenting.
well it's about to start..
Thanks. Gonna use this. Sorry @0tolerance4silence
Wait a minute. Oh...how ironic.
Take care, stay safe. But I can't deal with this BS.
Edit: Yeah, it's a bit petty. I'm usually easy going. But I don't stand for bullies.
Ok - I watched it, chatted with Sam a while. I think I understand what has happened here.
He's basically trying to create something where he can put up content, share his knowledge, and people can interact with him - hence the choice of Patreon (which I still find rather strange). It really had nothing to do with making money, from what I gathered.
At the end of the video he did something that I actually laughed out loud at - the guy has a great sense of humour and genuinely seems like a passionate music maker, and really interested in iOS production, keen to share his ideas, etc. One thing he said that he puts himself out there to learn. That's a brave way to be, so credit to him for that.
I'm hoping he will position himself on this forum in a way that doesn't alienate people. Good luck Sam, appreciate the openness - even though I really didn't think you needed to justify yourself to this extent. Stay well.
Sam, I enjoyed the Youtube video chat. Sorry I didn't actually participate or watch; I just lay down on my bed, closed my eyes and listened. You have a very soothing voice; you seem like a nice chap, and I'd probably enjoy your company. The intro music was nice too. Unfortunately, I didn't hear any prospect of content that might be useful to me ...but hopefully that's just me. Very best wishes anyway.
Perfectly fine. I'm going for newcomers, not veterans of music production on iOS (no offense, but you guys are professionals). We gotta bring more people into iOS so developers can start investing in more apps.
I couldn’t have said it better.
Not a bad conversation starter. I'm sure there's plenty of people here who would have a lot to say about that.
I kinda feel like I needed to though, lol. Thanks for the chat though. Was a bit longer than expected. Sorry, I had to mute you for the first few minutes. Wanted people to focus on the video, instead of the chat.
Hey Sam, I definitely don’t want to get into any long exchange, i just want to finish what i started saying in the video chat. The main problem is, I think:
the language you use in the forum is very marketing oriented, and this doesn’t fit the culture of the audiobus group well, it will never be welcomed here.
I think there is a perception that you take yourself a bit more seriously than you should. Maybe you will be a great producer in the future, but that is currently not the case. (I’m definitely not saying I’m any better by the way, haha, that’s not the point at all). I’m not saying you don’t have things to teach, we all do. But your tone comes across as maybe thinking you are on a higher level than you currently are, you have some way to go.
Posting about posts you are going to make comes across very pretentious and spammy, again, it rubs people up the wrong way. I’m sure you can get a few Patreon subscribers from somewhere, but I wouldn’t imagine many would come from the forum. My advice would be to treat it as a place where you learn and share freely with peers and teachers, and leave the marketing spiel for other places on the net.
And ppl are paying attention to these threads now, but trust me, if this kind of thing continues much longer, the two main reactions will be either hostility, or just ignoring your threads.
I agree you seem like a nice guy, but I think you are really barking up the wrong tree with your recent strategy in the forum.
I think you might enjoy re-reading the past two posts. It'll make a bit more sense now.
You gotta do what you gotta do. You have your way, other people have theirs.
Perhaps there's a conversation to be had about how people start out, when it comes to building a presence online. Clearly Sam has good intentions, and maybe his approach hasn't been the best.
It must be bloody hard, to be honest. I wouldn't want to do it.
+1
The one thing that comes across is that he really is a student.
It's a good thing that he did this on the AB Forum.
@Samflash3
I looked at the video.
You do have a way with words,
good speaking voice, very engaging.
Less editing if you can, it's distracting.
I can understand the apologetic tone.
Make sure that you're more confident about
your decisions in the future, rightly or wrongly.
Check your audio recording chain as
there was noticeable noise nearer the end.
For audio production guys?
That's a big thing.
Well done.
...What exactly are you studying?
In general, the way is: listen to your audience. When the absolute vast majority - maybe 90 percent - of ppl here are literally saying that they can’t stand your approach, it is insane to keep going down the same track, which is what Sam has consistently been doing this past few days.
And if we are not the audience, then stop trying to sell the stuff here.
I've described what happened in the video, mentioned my Patreon content is free, described it in detail. I'm not sure what more you would like me to do, but I'm moving on from the topic.
I apologize if the approach was not the best, and that's pretty much it. Okay, Gavin. Do take care. I'll be subscribed to your YouTube channel and watching to learn content but I doubt I'll interact much either because we seem to be way too different people.
“The greatest thing you’ll ever learn is just to love... and be loved in return” Nature Boy by Eden Ahbez, 1947
OK peace bro.
Is it free? I didn’t get that. I understood that there is a charge on the1st of each month, no? Or is your idea that people keep leaving and going back in so they don’t get charged?
If I understand it correctly, he’s set it up so that you pay to get early access. After a certain period of time the content becomes free.
Oh yeah, got it
Whoa, I just got the reference. I meant today, May 30. Seems autocorrect made it into March 30. Guess that's what happens when I'm working with minimal sleep.
Okay, managed to get a lot more rest. The post should be active in an hour and half. It has a ton of videos and I did reach out to a ton of content creators and companies before using their work on a free thread.
Thanks for answering that, @robertreynolds
@Gravitas - I wouldn't have answered this but because of your support for the past few days, I'll make an exception. Studying Electrical Automation and Robotics. I did mention in a previous post to @wim that I have an Electrical Engineering degree. Maybe I'll talk about it on my channel about my views on the current education system (but I digress).
So, am I a troll? Possibly. But I am one who has spent his entire life studying how to be a smart troll.
@Samflash3
Thank you for answering.
You may have a degree but in this
field you're a fledgling and it shows.
It gives me a moment to give you
some advice about real Artists.
We are a temperamental bunch, loving to a
fault and nasty when we're pissed off.
Play straight always.
A director that I work with regularly describes
walking into a room of musicians and composers
as, 'walking into a vipers nest', and he's right.
Once in awhile I will primo uomo if someone annoys me.
We see marketing strategies from a mile off because
the entertainment industry is riddled with 'em.
Don't fall into the trap of trying to be a
marketer though you have a flair for it
as musicians have long memories.
You came close with these threads.
The degree sounds brilliant.
No wonder you were talking about building affordable audio interfaces
awhile back which I think would be good for your Patreon.
I've been designing audio interfaces myself though I don't have a degree.
I'm an autodidact in many fields by way of explanation.
Back on topic.
Controversy only works when the topics are aimed at
people who would find them controversial other
than that it's merely annoying.
Now I'm going to make an exception.
I'm a professional award winning musician, artist, producer and composer.
Though my awards are a little old these days they do include an Oscar nomination.
By the time I was 23yrs old I had royalty as guests of honour.
It shows.
So in conclusion.
Be humble, not humile.
You don't have enough content.
You have plenty of words.
Until you have content try some interviews.
@Gravitas I respect you, even before you mentioned that.
Your flow is sick, but your personality is sicker (in a good way).
I will do my best not to get humile. I do give credit to a lot of people, but I'm also trying to be more aware of what's going on around me.
I'll put content as I go. Me making a statement is my way of saying, "Okay, #SEONN, let's get to work".
(I'll make another thread later...hope you enjoy the article. It should be free starting...now)
https://www.patreon.com/posts/what-is-best-or-37439880
I know what you're saying.
Thanks.
Good.
I've heard two of your songs so far and you have a good voice.
Someone mentioned ,'fragile', which is a good thing.
Shows sensitivity.
We all have to get to, 'work', at some point no matter what.
My stuff is all over the place.
I'm not even looking at my hard drives or my archives.
I'll give the article read and I'll try to
provide constructive criticism if needed.
You're doing good.
The entertainment world has always been sink or swim.
You're doing more than okay.
Now I'm going to read your article.
Later.
@Samflash3
I read the article.
Readers on the internet have the attention span of fish.
So you could split it into three articles pt i, pt ii and pt iii.
It's well written.
I can tell you spent days on it,
it's also well illustrated and I noticed you
provided links to the relevant companies.
I would say add somewhere that says ,'copyright held by respective companies etc',
or words to that effect.
I can't remember the precise wording right now,
it's the one thing you were not precise about
but that could be me as well.
It's good, engaging and shows your personality.
I would say less focus on the word money.
You need the demographic that you're aiming
for to feel empowered not poor, they may not be able
to afford the most expensive keyboard but
they can afford something.
Have a browse through www.soundonsound.com their production
articles go all the way back to the 90's, it's a very good source for learning
how to write for music producers and also for learning new or old
production techniques.
Overall, very cool.
Well done.
Great feedback. I'll divide it into 3 articles. Most likely, not today though. I'll work on it tomorrow. I'll make new posts (just to keep the original one functional, or incase someone wanted to read the full article).
I'll also refer to the sites you mentioned.
Appreciate the support, man.
Brilliant, good idea.
No worries and there's no rush.
Take your time.
Try a song instead.
Rome wasn't built in a day.
They had to sort out the wolves first.
True. It's been a while since I've worked on music. This week has been exhausting. Thanks.