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Ah didn't know it was already there, guess I'm just waiting on MIDI or a sale then!
@AQ808 said:
Yea, the full MIDI upgrade will be available via IAP (source Rim). I have no idea about the price, but $25 seems a bit low to me. I wouldn't complain if it's only 25 bucks, but another $50 seems reasonable to me. If going by the audio part in Auria, the MIDI will be a proper MIDI sequencer, with the ability to automate every single little thing at micro level, far deeper/more detailed editing then any other iDAW.
And, the guys at Wavemachine Labs gotta keep up revenue from Auria to be able to continue developing it. Following Apples constricted AppStore policies/rules, that's either gonna happen with a completely new app with no upgrade path for existing customers, or via IAPs.
Are they really going to charge for midi? Cubasis has it included right out of the gate! I understand that this is pure speculation. However, automation is about to be added to Cubasis, and by the looks of it, will be free too (correct me if I'm wrong). To me the only thing Auria has going is VST support, but this is on Cubasis' "to-do list."
For me, and this is just a personal opinion, there isn't eve a close comparison between Cubasis and Auria. I respect what Cubasis has tried to do, and I think the guys at Steinberg have shown that they're totally dedicated to updating the app and taking care of all the bugs that seem get introduced with each new build they release. For me though, it has never been a stable environment to use as a daw. The short version of my list of complaints about Cubasis is that it adjust not reliable enough for me to trust it. Auria, on the other hand, has been incredibly stable. When I record into Auria I'm 100% positive that my work with be there the next time I open the app and that it won't crash when I push it to its limits. Warnings, sure, but no crashes for me. It's important for me to clarify that I couldn't care less about midi. I do love using midi controllers when I work with apps like CMP and Thumbjam etc, but as far as midi programming is concerned, I just loathe it. It breaks my workflow completely and makes me start feeling like I'm back at work. Drum Perfect is a great example do me of an app that is incredibly powerful, but totally disrupts my workflow when I'm in that creative mood. It probably has a lot to do with the fact that I'm a parent of two little boys, so when I get time to finally work on my music, my time is limited. And I'm sure it also has to do with the fact that I record mostly acoustic stuff too, and midi just isn't really important to me for that. So honestly, I'm super happy that midi will be an iap for Auria that I can just leave out. I've gotten rid of Cubasis (about four times now), and I've also completely stopped using Beatmaker (yeah, I know, shocking, right?). Like some of the other recent themes of some of the threads on here, I decided to streamline my apps to the ones that I actually know how to use proficiently to achieve my goals. As far as price of the midi upgrade, I would be shocked if it was 25 bucks. If it's more than that I'd expect some backlash.
I agree it's not a close comparison. Cubasis would have to step its game way up to touch Auria. I hope Cubasis does get VST support cause then I would maybe use it. I don't use midi really so that's not a big deal to me. Automation will be a nice feature, but Cubasis effects are crap. I still purchase all the Audiobus effects apps to support the devs however, the Fabfilter plugins are freaking amazing and nothing else compares. I have purchased all the plugins in Auria and have no regrets.
@AQ808 said:
I guess you talk about this quote from Rim?
Sorry here too but there IS no mention about a relation between the"big update"and midi,that is just a fact,no matter what you believe.That said,i'm also guessing (hoping)midi will come in this update and i was only saying there is no official Midi announcement from Rim regarding the"big update"yet.And that's also fact.
I don't think they will charge more than 25,- for the update.Everything is already there(even midi sync etc.),basically it's "just" a piano roll/key editor missing.I don't think they will include a full notation editor (well,at least i hope cause i just don't need it and therefore i don't like to pay for it).Of course i'm guessing the midi update would be without any instruments included.That is another story and i have now idea what the price could be with some included
@boone51: i can't say that i had the same"zero problems"experience with auria the last one and a half year unfortunately.And i'm not talking about"low memory"crashes.Just to mention my worst case:there was once a critical(!)bug in a new auria update with automation and the way external (fabfilter)plugins handle it.In fact,it completey wiped out roughly two months work cause i used the fabbys in every project and every project (or snapshot)i tried to open was immediately corrupted (and i couldnt use it anymore).I'm not kidding.That was the last time i updated auria without a complete backup (yes,it was dumb to not make a backup for two months).At least cubasis never hurt me THAT much although it had a lot of problems as well.Since the last update everything is running great,so keep fingers crossed.
And from the beginning there was the annoying sluggish edit screen that even got nearly unsusable between iOS7.0 and 7.06.Yes,that was apples fault but it doesn't make a big difference to me WHY i couldn't use auria from october to march.
But (surprisingly thanks to apple)since 7.1 auria is running great and the first time ever i really enjoy using the edit screen (but needed the newest device to reach this point).
@Crabman, I meant to mention earlier that it was cool to learn that you're CEISar over there. I had no idea. You've helped me out more than once over there too. lol. Sorry to hear about those corrupted songs. That's awful and I did totally know about that. Fortunately it didn't ever bite me, but as I mentioned, as a hobbyist my time to create songs is limited. I only have 2 or 3 projects open at a time in there, and I backup to Dropbox often. I don't know if that would have even saved me from that awful Fab issue, but luckily it didn't bite me. What version of iPad do you have? I came from a 2 to an Air and the edit wave has been pretty good for me for the most part. I typically have about 12 tracks and it's ok. Again though, coming from the 2 I'm probably a little skewed in my concept of what is "good" in the wave view. Admitedly, 7.1 has caused it to become just buttery smooth. Anyway, cool to make the connection between your two profiles.
Oh, and I agree that I haven't ever actually heard "midi is the big update"...but if he's teasing that knowing it's what everyone is thinking he means and it's NOT that...it'll be funny, of course...but I'd be absolutely shocked if that happened.
Exactly. And I do expect it will be a full notation editor, if you mean as a typical piano roll. Not sheet music notation of course.
Like Chris said, it will do things far beyond the other iDAWs as a midi sequencer.
I don't win anything by attempting to convince some random character on the internet, so I won't go out of my way to.
But when it happens, you'll at least have had an early heads up.
@ChrisG said:
It will be via IAP. The problem with Auria isn't paying for a new version (like Beatmaker 2 did and Nanostudio 2 will do) it's that a new version of Auria would have no access to IAPs from the current version. I don't think Rim would pretty much ever do that to his customers.
I mostly find Auria to be very stable and it sounds great. What I don't find it to be is musical or terribly flexible on the mixer. I don't own cubasis (I only need to own so many destinations for my unfinished musical rambles) but it has always seemed more musical to me than Auria.
@syrupcore said:
What is "it"?
@boone51 said:
you are welcome,glad i could help a bit
I started with auria on iPad 2,then iPad4 (Auria was one of the big reasons to upgrade quick and i was disappointed to see the edit screen was stil not smooth)and now Mini Retina.I'm usually working with up to 15-20 tracks and many of them are not one long file,they are more like 8-32 bars long,so a lot to render.But that doesnt matter,it startd to get sluggish even with just 8 tracks running in a 32 bar loop.Probably i'm more sensible to this than others but but i'm doing(or like to do) a lot of edits and automation in the edit screen and it often slowed down my workflow drastically.Anyway,finally that is in the past now and i'm really looking forward to a golden future with Auria and Cubasis.I love them both for different reasons 
@syrupcore said:
Yea I know, I was just saying that those are the only options available for a developer on iOS. Unlike on a computer where each new version of a DAW will have an upgrade path for existing customers. IAP has a really bad rep, thanks to game developers. But in the music app sphere it's a totally different picture, thanks to all the great music app devs and their professionalism and attitude towards customers/users. But that bad rep still tends to spill over onto all corners of the AppStore (and hence why you'll see people go "What! We gotta pay for those functions!?" even for legit stuff).
As for the musical thing, I really don't what you mean.
How could the mixer be more flexible? A few more inserts and bus effects perhaps (currently 4 inserts and 2 bus, which is still plenty). It does side chaining. 48 stereo channel strips , assignable to 8 subgroups. Etc. It's the most flexible mixer I know of, on iOS.
Cat out of bag, a little?
http://auriaapp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=11969
I'd love a mixer option to hide the subs myself, never use them
I'd love for the buses and aux sends to be one and the same, so there's flexibility, and hiding tracks and subs would be awesome.
My request was simple, but denied. I just want to be able to rename a track from the wave edit screen. I thought double tapping a track would be a great way to access something like that, but apparently Rim is going to use that to bring up the strip.
@Ian, that's what I thought :-).
I want change position to effect up and down without close and reopen it
@Ian said:
Ahhhaa, veeeerrrry interesting.
Now we have the full answer. Bottom of page http://auriaapp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=11967
Sorry to steal your thunder but I just wanted to share this news...
Re: ETA on MIDI integration?
by CEIsar » Fri Mar 21, 2014 6:03 am
Rim,all of us over at the Audiobus forum just want to know one thing:is the next"big update"the one that includes midi or not?Please give us at least this info before the curiosity and impatience just kills us.Thanks
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Re: ETA on MIDI integration?
by Rim » Fri Mar 21, 2014 1:57 pm
Yes
Isn't that wonderful? The best DAW will be even better. One stop shop. This with AB2 presets will make the workflow as smooth as can be.
@Shay said:
Great,good that i asked him directly ;-)
I'm shocked, you mean he really is trying to make the best iOS DAW available?!?
No way!
Maybe the more shocking thing is the number of people who don't understand the necessity of a sequencer in a DAW.
This thread is frightening.
No idea what you are talking about.
Do Apple have staff reviewing apps during the weekends? Hoping for this to make it before the day is over, really wanna check out that new FabFilter plug.
Pro-MB is very powerful, here's a quick overview:
Dynamics work horse!
I love the Auria plugins, especially those by FabFilter but just be aware that the new mastering app by Positive Grid is about to drop and I think you will find it includes a multiband compressor.
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