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Of course depending. I do not need a computer for my job. All i use a computer or tablet is music creation and watching you-tube and some more things in my free time but that could i do also on an iPad if i wanted but music creation is my only focus mainly and the tools i like to use mainly not exist yet in iOS land.
I can understand also if people want to escape from their work computers at home.
IDAM is nice but a bit unstable here and it lacks the deeper integration i would like to have like with native AU plug-ins. At the end it is just a workaround i would like to avoid if possible.
But indeed a full blown Logic on iOS could also change that maybe since it is mainly the DAW i will not get happy with iOS (well, plus some Kontakt libraries and some FX plug-ins).
Opinions needed — If upgrading a MacBook Pro in the next 12 months, wondering whether it's best to get the 'last Intel' to run Ableton / Adobe Creative Suite etc., or wait for the ARM version and hope the emulation / 3rd software updates happen fairly quick and smoothly and ARM is blazing fast?
Why not both?
Difficult choice, but I went for the Intel, Ableton and Affinity route. The ARM stuff could take an age, then there’s bugs and hardware issues to work through.
I personally would bet on full ARM if Apple really start it.
Some says (as usual) it is the end of macs but i think with Apple behind it it could be more a newborn.
Software might be a problem but lets hope they also had enough time to solve that and/or give developers the right tools for the switch...i mean if it really happens. So far just rumors.
I am up to a new macbook already but i sure would wait now for the ARM.
As long as they bring their pro apps from the beginning which would be Logic in my case.
But if they also announce Logic for iOS i would consider going iPadOS maybe too.
Thing is you can wait for ages and nothing happens, and you wish you'd updated sooner. My Air 2 is ropey as hell - I keep thinking the Air range will get another update soon so have held out on the Air 3. A year later it's still their latest model, and I wish I'd updated earlier - so now I'm thinking 'anytime soon....' and still not buying. I did the same with the iMac. I should have jumped in after the refresh a year ago. Now I'm back on the fence as they're talking about updating it to ARM. Not that I can afford one now anyway.
My rule of thumb now is if I need it and I have the funds, then just get the thing.
Of course. I mean if i would buy now a 16" macbook pro i bet i could use it 10 years (if it not breaks). My old one is a bit sloppy but it last since 7 years and still is fine beside a broken speaker i anyway never use.
But RAM and CPU limits me when using some new software i really like but not sure if a slight increase would be worth it and all the thermal issues and keyboard breaks i heard from. The bad butterfly crap keyboard was the main reason i never upgraded in the last years since i also use it in 90% of my time as midi input and i freaking hate it when the keys are clicky clacky with almost no travel. The new ones seems better but still not as great as the one until 2015 (and the one in my 2013). No key broken and i still love the feel of it. Best keyboard ever on a laptop.
No i am also a bit scared that complex software with old code does not make the transition. Software like some of my Kontakt libraries which are very important for me and there is no iOS thing in sight to replace these.
So it might be that it could be indeed some years until 1. the software i want/need is available for iOS; 2. the software i want/need will be ported to ARM.
So at the end it could be the best option to buy the latest intel mac and use it for another 7 years or so.
Sometimes the old things are better and get replaced to worse things.
If Apple use ARM to make macbooks even thinner and go still with form over function or want to sell the iPad with iPadOS with those wobbly overpriced keyboard for almost the same price as a macbook as the next best laptop it might be not the all new great future for me.
At least i will wait and see what the say next week. So far it could be the most interesting WWDC for me.
If they would announce Logic for iPad i will buy a new one next week, lol.
Apple have been working towards ARM support being as friction-free for developers for a long time.
Discontinuing support for 32 bit apps was a big factor.
I don’t see any reason to think an ARM SOC for Mac won’t be really powerful. Single core performance is already there and it shouldn’t be too tricky to add extra high performance cores for use in desktops.
The power per W of Apples chips Is already Much better than intel so they should be able to have much better performing CPUs and better battery life.
Apple have different speed cores in their SOCs compared to intel that run the chips slow and then speed them up when necessary. They can’t maintain the high power for very long before they’re throttled again due to thermal constraints.
The transition to ARM from a software point of view for most developers should be smoother than it was from PPC to Intel as Apple own the development tools and compilers this time. A lot of th e it apps that took years to make the switch to Intel used Metrowerks. Now everybody uses Xcode. However I think a lot of plugins using copy protection systems like iLok may suffer. There will undoubtedly be more and more restrictions on the security side and I can’t see an iLok .kext being allowed in Mac Os’s post Catalina.
Unless you want to be able to boot into Windows to run audio software or games, an ARM Mac Laptop will almost certainly be worth waiting for as it will be considerably faster and also have better battery life. If you need a computer now, the intel macs will be supported for a long time.
I think by the time the ARM Macs are available we will know the intentions of the developers of our favourite Mac Apps.
There might even be a compatibility layer as there was with the intel transition (Rozetta), but I doubt that would be good enough for audio apps.
One thing is for sure. Apple will want to switch to ARM as soon as they can. They own the whole stack for iOS and they like it that way.
I made the jump to the new 16". I didn't have any choice really as my PC died, I was fed up with Windows, and I urgently needed a work machine. My 2012 Macbook Pro is still running (though battery life is abysmal), but didn't want to push it and use that for work.
I prefer the keyboard in the 2012, but the new one is absolutely fine. The screen is glorious - I'd planned to hook it up to an external monitor, but haven't bothered as the size is good enough for work. Battery life is crazy - I charge it up twice a week, despite using it for most of every day, though I'm only using it for web/graphic stuff mostly. Speakers are great, and the base model I bought has a decent amount of RAM and SSD storage for my work needs.
I sneaked Logic on here and it runs like a rocket - no issues there! My main concern is to keep using the Affinity suite - Photo, Designer and Publisher, as I use these for work, and they run great on this.
I think you can sit on the fence for years (my default position), but when a good Apple machine comes along (they've produced some lemons, but reading feedback is a good way to find out what the god ones are) then if you need an upgrade then it's time to do it.
It'll be interesting to see what Apple announce, but if I didn't have this I doubt I'd be jumping in to become an early ARM adopter.
I’d be happy to get an entry level ARM laptop to sort of replace my (lemon) 2016 15” work from home MacBook Pro with touchbar. The entry level MacBook Airs are just too slow, The 13” 2 port models are too limited and the 4 ports too expensive.
So a MacBook with arm processor might be just te ticket as long as I can run my work software (I have a custom 4D database app and need 2D CAD too, but they’d be fine running emulated to start with). I use Pages and Numbers a lot so they’ll be fine. I also use a lot of graphics app like affinity but also simpler stuff like Graphic. I’m not too worried about them for now. I expect apps like Pixelmator to be amongst the first apps ready for ARM.
I think I’d wait until everything settles down before i will consider replacing my work iMac. My 5 year old iMac has been fantastic. Great machine. Hopefully good for another 5 years.
Strange pricing on those - after you’ve upgraded the ports and processor you might as well have bought the 16”.
If I remember correctly the switch to intel wasn't as problematic as many people feared but it did take a few months to get everything running properly for most people. Some software might never be usable again or not for a long time, so be prepared for that. I won't be able to wait this long and will gladly wait for ARM until approximately 2025.
I’m starting to think about one of the Intel MacBook Pro’s as desktop replacement as we’re thinking of migrating to Greece but I’m a bit surprised but not shocked that GPU in them isn’t up to running VR...
I’m really stumped for now as I thought that by 2020 most mobile gear would be up to scratch, especially something that I’m likely to drop the best part of three grand on 😄
Works nicely as a desktop replacement for me, particularly with our random electricity supply, and means I’m working now despite the thunderstorm going on outside
@MonzoPro i always have a right ’mare getting a new laptop, last one was toss up between mbpro and dell xps, got the windows machine and it was great for a bit but really showed it’s are very quickly...
maybe a MacBook and then one of the eGPU things for the heavy lifting, though even they’re not that happy with VR gear from what I understand... maybe just have to ship the old (2011) windows box out for that sort of thing... the Mac Pro I should sell though, still get about a grand for them from what I see on eBay etc...
My missus had a Dell laptop - absolutely awful, lasted about a week before the keyboard broke, and then the laptop never worked properly again after we got it back. She ditched it after a year. Saying that though my last desktop was a Dell, and that lasted ten years!