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Drambo, mirack, suffers from too many options, too many blind advocates trying to convince us that this and that OPTION is going to be groundbreaking etc, 90% these ppl never do anything good musically or at all. just sitting on forums and jab.
fk that shit, Mirack sounds like sht , and you all know it. Drambo sounds like hipster junk from 10y ago. “ive created this and that in Drambo or Mirack” - no you didnt, it sounds like shit. You connected the cv to that and the modules o this, but it sounds like...shit.
im done
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I kinda agree as well, but I don't see the point in ranting about it or attacking people. Most hobbyists tinker, that's the nature of the beast.
It's fine to not dig an app or a particular approach, but attacking those that do is never going to lead anywhere good. Watch the thread go to hell as proof. But maybe that was the intention.
Lol. I definitely agree that drambo is a bit overhyped. Tbh the more I read about it the less I want to try it.
I’ll confess I’ve opened up DRambo once or twice, poked around for a minute and then never opened It again.
I’m not an electronic music guy or a modular synth enthusiast though
I think the issue is that people hear about these apps and want to be cool and say they use them. But they don’t actually put in the time, and these are labor-intensive apps. So people make stuff that “sounds cool” but don’t take the time to refine and later to actually add depth. It’s like drawing a cartoon with stick figures vs fully animated characters. Sure you can have a cool story and cool actions with stick figures, but it ultimately blows compared to stuff that was fully produced with proper time and effort.
I would say it's the same for about any other gears, not just iOs.
Some people don’t want to sound like everybody else.
Others just save time and pay a ghost producer to use vengeance loops.
Haha, nice post. I agree, this place on average has been reduced to either “oooh new app!” then on to the next one (this is my source for seeing what has been released, and it seems like more and more I keep missing stuff because it’s already back on page 4-5) or “check out my song”. There’s not so much the intermediate discussion between the two extremes any more.
The funny thing is (I’m guilty of the hoarding and tinkering too, though I do also get shit done) I often find simple bugs in an app that I’ve never fully explored and my hunch is that NOONE is actually using the app or has ever used it for more than a few minutes. Because god knows the people on these forums love reporting bugs so they can add their suggestions on top.
But can you commit the cardinal sin of EDM with Drambo?
Blind advocates? I see passionate users, sharing their time and knowledge with the community. People who haven't abandoned them for the newest shiniest app ad infinitum. If you take another look, most 'Drambo or miRack can do it' posts are backed up with screen shots, explanations, or generous uploads to patchstorage. Those posts usually originate from questions, which this forum gets a lot of. Remember IOS music is still maturing, so workarounds and contrived solutions are necessary in most everyone's workflow to some extent. We support each other here, as mobile music production goes through its birthing pains.
As for Drambo and miRack. Each tool in the carpenter's shed has it's function, as do the components in a modular system. It may seem like too much if you don't understand their use, or where to find them. But then I'd say, it's not the tools fault if you don't know how to use it, or the patience to learn it. And that's what I'm seeing in this thread, an admission to taking a peek in the shed then closing the door, and complaining about others with the knowledge to use those tools. You know, any instrument can sound like shit in the wrong hands.
Also, I like how the main criticism of Drambo and miRack users is that they spend all day on forums not making music.. when that's exactly what this very thread is - forum noise.
Let’s be honest, the patch storage patches for Drambo at least aren’t very inspiring or doing anything incredibly complex and interesting. Take a look at the Audulus forum in comparison, even though I dislike Audulus as well.
The funny usage of 'Good Musically' is very , very subjective...
I mean personally I can't stand trpsht at all and some consider it to be the 'holy grail of iOS Broduction' aka. best there is with machine-gun hats 808s and some mumbling on top and vinyl samples to fill the gaps...
On the opposite side some can't understand my fascination with chip tunes so it's give'n'take
I'm stuck in the 80s / early 90s love LaserDance, Koto, classic Synth but side-chain abusing (Most EDM Styles) makes me turn off the radio to avoid head-aches while I do enjoy Psy/Goa-Trance and classic Techno to the max mixed in with some cheesy Euro Disco...
I can 'listen' to almost everything but I do not 'enjoy' everything and that's the way it should be
I'm a tech geek, more interested in what makes things go beep and how they do it rather than 'make beats'.
The side effect of this is that I dig deep into most apps (being a recovering App-o-Holic) and 'remember the sh*t' I dig up so it comes naturally to me to share when someone ask a question...
So when users are faced with a task on iOS and are looking for apps I do recommend those apps that can help them accomplish their task and hopefully it'll make most people happy too
Cheers!
Chip tunes are awesome, but only actual SID chip tunes
My favorite of all time is the R-Type main theme
Jeroen Tel's Myth
And here's chilling metal cover, just love it!
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Wanna apologize for my last post. Got a little carried away 🙏
We all enjoy different sounds, have different workflows, and come to this forum for different reasons. For some people modular synthesis can be a therapeutic process, not really dependent on creating or finishing a piece of music. For others, songwriting and composition may be what drives them most. In the end, I believe it's our similarities that bring us together here. Namely our collective appreciation for music and technology.
Cheers.
I cherish shitty music and succeed at making it. Everyone says so - must be true.
Thanks.
I seem to remember people thinking overdriven amps, TB-303's, and fake-o drum machines sounded like crap too. I guess there are a lot of people around who just like crappy sound. Go figure.
I think it’s also fair to say that there is much validity in music (or even just interesting sounds and rhythms) which are created simply for that user in that moment. Just because it doesn’t become a recorded work doesn’t mean it isn’t of value. I regularly noodle on my synths, drum machines, guitars etc, just for the fun of it. It sometimes does me a hell of a lot of good.
Other times I feel wholly unsatisfied if I haven’t created a full composition I can listen back to and share with others with mixture of pride and trepidation.
I don’t have Drambo or miRack, and have no desire to as it’s not my thing (yet...) but if I did then I’ve no doubt the £10-20 spent on them would be far better for me than the equivalent amount spent on beer and coffee.
Accidental double post
If you don't like them, feel free to contribute your incredibly complex and interesting patches, I'm sure people will thank you! 😇
I do think Drambo suffers from the fact that it makes sounds we can already make with
our pre-purchased synths and it can sequence like our pre-purchased synths and we can
automate parameters with our pre-purchased midi-FX apps and it can do drums like a lot of drum machine apps we already own and it can do the GrooveBox thing like those other apps that we already own and we already have a ton of FX apps and do we need to use the FX uses of Drambo too?
STOP - One app can do all that and you get the fun of hand assembly or download and re-use. It's insane how brilliant this app is as a programmable tool. It's a work of genius and the only fair comment might be to say: Can it do more please? Just asking. And it probably will with updates.
But enjoy assembling the apps you had before and the apps you are certain to buy in future but don't expect threads about Drambo to stop anytime soon. Too many people enjoy making their own Racks and sharing the music and the Racks they made.
But it's fine to complain about and ask for more or to ignore it all together. It's just anther Drambo thread. It sucks all the air out of the room. Some inhale and some suffocate.
(Repeat this thread with adjustments for Mirack and it's the same in many ways but still
not the single-developer achievement of Drambo, right?)
Was thinking the very same. Easy to recall gear some people thought sounded like shit and then other people made amazing music with it.
This ^.
Also this ^. Free speech and all that jazz but there's no need to be a dick when it comes to apps and people posting about them.
The complaints here can be said of every single music forum out there, ever, especially anything related to electronic music.
Well said noob, I don’t want to mention any names or get on anyone’s back but sometimes it seems on this forum there is just far too much wankery talked & not enough product to comment on.
I am not saying my output is anything to write home about but some feedback on it would be appreciated. If you think it’s shit fuckin tell me.
This is why I comment sparingly rather than some who spurt on & on about the minutiae of apps without ever revealing what they actually do with them . There is a creation section on this forum but it’s probably the most underused section.
And yeah I don’t think much of Mirack.........or Drambo 🤪
Food fight. Our differences help expose our blindspots.
I suspect most don't want to share their work on a forum when they
make music for personal interests and specific performance venues
where they won't get unwanted opinions.
I'm going to keep using these modules apps to help me learn more about
my lack of knowledge and investigate alternative workflows and concepts.
But I do appreciate Patchstorage to give me Racks and Presets to dissect.
I also like all the great video training for apps that use music production techniques I didn't even know existed.
This forum has exposed me to dozens of new concepts and there are many
here eager to share their hard won knowledge.
But I do love decent food fight almost as much as a good piece of music for my own amusement.
I'm going to look for some clues on making a Round Robin Preset and for interesting Sequencer examples on PatchStorage.
Some people enjoy tinkering with apps, some like sound design, some make music, some do all three at the same time, and some transition to focus on one or the other for some time before moving on. All valid I would say. I spent years playing covers before I finally wrote a song on guitar, but the years of tinkering and covering were all great prep when I did finally start rolling my own...
This OP is "Trolling" **Jim Jones voice
“Oh no, devices are too complicated. I only play guitar, because rock is the only real music. The others are just computers.”