Sample Packs a big no no in real hip hop /house culture.Try Dig in the crates people be original

stormbeats

@robertreynolds said:
Some day I'm going to create a stock audio library of the most soul-less, corporate music tracks anyone has ever heard. It will be music so bland, you won't actually hear it beyond the first few seconds (and if you get stuck in an elevator with it looping you'll quickly want to gouge your eardrums out). To get this stock library going quickly I'm going to layer a bunch of stock loops and without any modification turn them into songs.

At the same time, I'm going to keep following my true love of taking sound sources from everything around me, including, my phone, online libraries, vinyl, cd and of course youtube, and chopping, tweaking, mangling, reversing, etc. into new totally creative compositions that may at times be interesting but virtually inaccessible to the mass market.

The first has the potential to make a little money, the second will just make me happy. Is one right and the other wrong? I guess it depends on your perspective.

@robertreynolds

TheOriginalPaulB

The whole hip hop/house thing has been done to death. It’s been decades, guys. What samples get used is hardly the point...

stormbeats

@TheOriginalPaulB said:
The whole hip hop/house thing has been done to death. It’s been decades, guys. What samples get used is hardly the point...

@TheOriginalPaulB

Proppa

Legend has it that the initial Art Of Noise output (‘Close To The Edit’ etc) were made from the stock Fairlight demo sounds. To this day some of my favorite tracks of all time.

stormbeats

@Proppa said:
Legend has it that the initial Art Of Noise output (‘Close To The Edit’ etc) were made from the stock Fairlight demo sounds. To this day some of my favorite tracks of all time.

@Proppa the Fairlight is a great machine - Kate Bush - Wuthering Heights.

ChancedMusic

Or, get this, a music producer uses whatever they have at their disposal to produce music.

😎

Proppa

Yes yes good people - of course the Fairlight has been nothing short of historical magic in the right hands but more so to the OP topic: my gut is that if the user is Selective enough and can get emotion pushed through to the final then Source is nearly irrelevant.

ie: there's no problem with what's available but perhaps there's aesthetic issue with how it's used.

Fingolfinzzz

Have you ever truly sampled if you haven’t sampled yourself during a bowel movement?

Identor

Turntablist

@syrupcore said:

@hacked_to_pieces said:
20 song's that use the "amen break" yet they're all pretty different so you can you the same sound source as everyone else and still be original. https://mixmag.net/feature/the-20-best-tracks-that-sample-the-amen-break

Fun time skimming these. The last one kinda blew me away. A bizarre/wonderful mixup of electronic dance music styles from the last 30(?!) years. Even sneaks in Alpha Juno's "Hoover" at a few points.

No idea why people ever called it a "Hoover" years ago it was either an 86 or a What The or a 9 (Post 9mm) if I ever own a Hoover that sounds like that, after sampling it, I am taking it back, its knackered.

Turntablist

@ExAsperis99 said:

@Max23 said:

@ExAsperis99 said:
Distortion for guitarists is like reverb for singers: Instant courage.

^^
they need distortion,
they dont have sustain or release,
they just have that plong decay from string

But there's a reason that guitarists are getting laid while the keyboard dude is manning the merch table.

[Reads the room belatedly; race-walks to the fire exit.]

Yeah because the keyboard player is normally some nerd that is into augmented fifths and reading about six grand analogue hybrid synths.

Turntablist

@Imhodef said:
MSXII Chomplr, shots fired

Not even worth firing shots, a bunch of sample packs wrapped in a bug....sorry, Audiokit wrapper, which is not known for being very stable up to this point.

Turntablist

@Gavinski said:
Not to mention that crate digging takes some serious time. I think people new to that scene could use their time a lot more wisely by spending it actually making music. And lots of the top people are basically just paying people to go through records to find good stuff, and they have the money to buy huge amounts of vinyl. So, like many things in life, the emphasis on finding obscure samples will always resolve in favour of those already at the top of the pile who have the most money.

Yeah you are completely wrong here, most charity shops will charge you 5-25p for a vinyl album, if you pay that you are an asshole obviously, just go in, pick a pile and give them a fiver or a tenner depending how big the pile is, that is no more than a sample pack of any decent quality, and the stuff you will get out of it is near unlimited, OK OK, you have to buy a ten quid deck off ebay to get started, but buying piles and piles of vinyl is a choice, not a "Oh they have money, look at all their vinyl"
Even vinyl shops are a good start if they have second hand stuff, they will always have a 10-50p box of stuff they think is crap, normally the stuff that is full of gold.

Also lets not forget cassettes here too, they have their own charm, you can buy a USB cassette deck for even less than a turntable normally on ebay, especially the walkman size ones, and they plug straight in to a CCK (As does a USB vinyl deck too FYI)
The great thing about cassettes is that they got releases that never made it to anywhere else, so your viking chants and mystical aura relaxation tapes etc etc, gold.

Turntablist

Also we need to define sample pack vs rompling here.
If something is a rompler in the traditional sense it will have playable instruments that are basically replicating another instrument that you need to create with from the get go, be it individual drum hits, a piano or a cello, you have to physically play these chromatically.
Those kinds of sample packs (Although extremely rare nowadays) are invaluable, I am never getting to a Steinway to play and record it, certainly not on a daily basis anyway, so on and so forth.
Nowadays they are normally always wrapped in a Kontakt script or custom plugin and are pretty much the backbone of most composers work (Even if they later have it recorded live)
I don't think the thrust of this thread was anywhere near rompling use cases.

Will

@Turntablist said:

@syrupcore said:

@hacked_to_pieces said:
20 song's that use the "amen break" yet they're all pretty different so you can you the same sound source as everyone else and still be original. https://mixmag.net/feature/the-20-best-tracks-that-sample-the-amen-break

Fun time skimming these. The last one kinda blew me away. A bizarre/wonderful mixup of electronic dance music styles from the last 30(?!) years. Even sneaks in Alpha Juno's "Hoover" at a few points.

No idea why people ever called it a "Hoover" years ago it was either an 86 or a What The or a 9 (Post 9mm) if I ever own a Hoover that sounds like that, after sampling it, I am taking it back, its knackered.

Took me a second to understand what you were talking about. Left of the Atlantic, we call it a vacuum.

It's called a "Hoover" because that was the actual name of the preset on the Roland Alpha Juno that made that sound. No idea why the sound designer (or Roland?) named it that though. Maybe they owned stock in Hoover?

jolico

Sample mp3s for that data compression artifact warmth

Turntablist

@syrupcore said:

@Turntablist said:

@syrupcore said:

@hacked_to_pieces said:
20 song's that use the "amen break" yet they're all pretty different so you can you the same sound source as everyone else and still be original. https://mixmag.net/feature/the-20-best-tracks-that-sample-the-amen-break

Fun time skimming these. The last one kinda blew me away. A bizarre/wonderful mixup of electronic dance music styles from the last 30(?!) years. Even sneaks in Alpha Juno's "Hoover" at a few points.

No idea why people ever called it a "Hoover" years ago it was either an 86 or a What The or a 9 (Post 9mm) if I ever own a Hoover that sounds like that, after sampling it, I am taking it back, its knackered.

Took me a second to understand what you were talking about. Left of the Atlantic, we call it a vacuum.

It's called a "Hoover" because that was the actual name of the preset on the Roland Alpha Juno that made that sound. No idea why the sound designer (or Roland?) named it that though. Maybe they owned stock in Hoover?

No it wasn't, the preset is U86 - What The

onerez

@Turntablist said:

@syrupcore said:

@Turntablist said:

@syrupcore said:

@hacked_to_pieces said:
20 song's that use the "amen break" yet they're all pretty different so you can you the same sound source as everyone else and still be original. https://mixmag.net/feature/the-20-best-tracks-that-sample-the-amen-break

Fun time skimming these. The last one kinda blew me away. A bizarre/wonderful mixup of electronic dance music styles from the last 30(?!) years. Even sneaks in Alpha Juno's "Hoover" at a few points.

No idea why people ever called it a "Hoover" years ago it was either an 86 or a What The or a 9 (Post 9mm) if I ever own a Hoover that sounds like that, after sampling it, I am taking it back, its knackered.

Took me a second to understand what you were talking about. Left of the Atlantic, we call it a vacuum.

It's called a "Hoover" because that was the actual name of the preset on the Roland Alpha Juno that made that sound. No idea why the sound designer (or Roland?) named it that though. Maybe they owned stock in Hoover?

No it wasn't, the preset is U86 - What The

And did not the guy from Spectrasonics.... Pershing (sp). Make that?

Turntablist

@onerez said:

@Turntablist said:

@syrupcore said:

@Turntablist said:

@syrupcore said:

@hacked_to_pieces said:
20 song's that use the "amen break" yet they're all pretty different so you can you the same sound source as everyone else and still be original. https://mixmag.net/feature/the-20-best-tracks-that-sample-the-amen-break

Fun time skimming these. The last one kinda blew me away. A bizarre/wonderful mixup of electronic dance music styles from the last 30(?!) years. Even sneaks in Alpha Juno's "Hoover" at a few points.

No idea why people ever called it a "Hoover" years ago it was either an 86 or a What The or a 9 (Post 9mm) if I ever own a Hoover that sounds like that, after sampling it, I am taking it back, its knackered.

Took me a second to understand what you were talking about. Left of the Atlantic, we call it a vacuum.

It's called a "Hoover" because that was the actual name of the preset on the Roland Alpha Juno that made that sound. No idea why the sound designer (or Roland?) named it that though. Maybe they owned stock in Hoover?

No it wasn't, the preset is U86 - What The

And did not the guy from Spectrasonics.... Pershing (sp). Make that?

Yes, All the Alpha Juno and D50 etc is all Eric Persing, probably the most important sound designer in history for me personally.

stormbeats

@Turntablist said:
Also we need to define sample pack vs rompling here.
If something is a rompler in the traditional sense it will have playable instruments that are basically replicating another instrument that you need to create with from the get go, be it individual drum hits, a piano or a cello, you have to physically play these chromatically.
Those kinds of sample packs (Although extremely rare nowadays) are invaluable, I am never getting to a Steinway to play and record it, certainly not on a daily basis anyway, so on and so forth.
Nowadays they are normally always wrapped in a Kontakt script or custom plugin and are pretty much the backbone of most composers work (Even if they later have it recorded live)
I don't think the thrust of this thread was anywhere near rompling use cases.

@Turntablist agreed 100%

dustgod

I'm of the opinion that the only thing of importance is the end result.

That said digging and learning to read record sleeves (label, musicians involved, producer, art styles era etc) is a lot more fun.

CracklePot

Oh boy. Check out this ‘game’.

https://apps.apple.com/us/app/top-mix/id1485635432

anickt

@CracklePot said:
Oh boy. Check out this ‘game’.

https://apps.apple.com/us/app/top-mix/id1485635432

“Anyone can do it!” 🤭

Fingolfinzzz

@CracklePot said:
Oh boy. Check out this ‘game’.

https://apps.apple.com/us/app/top-mix/id1485635432

I’m pretty lenient on tools and usually encourage people of any skill to use whatever tool they can to get out their ideas but that thing is fucking insulting

ecou

One person goes thru the gazillion of sites that have drum sample. Each of those site has gazillion quantity of Samples. It can take a very long time to find something that inspire.

The other person goes thru a gazillion records because it can take a long time to find something that inspire.

Third person breaks a toilet to create the sound. Because you have to eat for a long time to get inspired.

One person is better than the other ?

It’s all what you do with it. If you use the content made by somebody else and pay to use it and not steal it. Then it’s all good.

Turntablist

Took longer than I thought to be accused of stealing, we got there eventually though hahaha.

jolico

ecou

@Turntablist said:
Took longer than I thought to be accused of stealing, we got there eventually though hahaha.

Lol

[Deleted User]

This discussion reminded me of the following quote floating around the internet:

I thought using loops was cheating, so I programmed my own using samples. I then thought using samples was cheating, so I recorded real drums. I then thought that programming it was cheating, so I learned to play drums for real. I then thought using bought drums was cheating, so I learned to make my own. I then thought using premade skins was cheating, so I killed a goat and skinned it. I then thought that that was cheating too, so I grew my own goat from a baby goat. I also think that is cheating, but I’m not sure where to go from here. I haven’t made any music lately, what with the goat farming and all.

ecou

@yug said:
This discussion reminded me of the following quote floating around the internet:

I thought using loops was cheating, so I programmed my own using samples. I then thought using samples was cheating, so I recorded real drums. I then thought that programming it was cheating, so I learned to play drums for real. I then thought using bought drums was cheating, so I learned to make my own. I then thought using premade skins was cheating, so I killed a goat and skinned it. I then thought that that was cheating too, so I grew my own goat from a baby goat. I also think that is cheating, but I’m not sure where to go from here. I haven’t made any music lately, what with the goat farming and all.

You forgot to grow your own trees to make the drums