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I have the 2020 iPad Pro 11 in and the MOTU M2. I initially thought I had a problem as the interface didn’t always fully power up and none of the inputs would work. This happened a couple of times a week and I had to screw around with it to get it working right again. I worked with MOTU tech support and they were great. However after replacing my unit I found out by speaking with B&H that USB-C powered interfaces often have that problem with the USB-C iPads. I bought a dongle that charges the iPad and supplies enough power for the M2.... Apple MUF82AM/A USB-C Digital AV Multiport Adapter. I don’t need the HDMI. Charging the iPad is nice.
And has the dongle fixed your M2 issue?
I have audiofuse and I love it .. fully featured .. can be even used as small mixer
Expensive though
I have both u 24 and 44. I was looking for another u 24 used but couldn’t find one cheap so I bought u44 which is overkill for me as it has all the digital connections I don’t need. It also has that 2 extra input attachment which is great if you have different capsules but again, a bit lost on me. I’m only saying this because I feel it uses marginally more power than u24. I’m crazy enough to try to run this and 3 controllers off this using a powered hub and feel it’s on the ed ho power wise but if you’re not as greedy as me you should be ok.
In practical terms I really like the fact that most of controllers are on the top. Also the preamps are decent and you get quite a lot of flexibility in terms of full size audio outputs for such a small unit.
The XLR inputs are super sturdy. I have a longish goose mic in one of them and it doesn’t wobble at all.
I’d struggle to get rid of mine and would be very upset if stolen
Yes it has.
I totally agree with this - the only reason I would like an Audiohub is so that I could get rid of the powered USB hub but in reality it's not exactly that much of an issue!
This interface doesn't fill OPs requirements but might be of interest to some. A while ago a was looking around for an interface that could fit in my pockets, something really mobile, something as close to hooking the cables straight into the phone I could get. There are a few mono interfaces that works great for mono sources, like guitars and so on. I wanted something that could record a stereo signal. Rolands offerings were way too big btw.
I found this Rode interface which is as close as I'm gonna get short of being able to hook stuff up directly to the iPhone or iPad, which we can't (yet) do obviously. It's for mics when interviewing people and so on but, in the Rode app you can change various settings like input levels (the ins are hot due to not being line ins), if the ins should be recorded/summed as a mono file or regular a L/R stereo file (or separate files), plus more stuff. These settings are stored on the actual interface, not the app, so they carry over to any other app you use. There was one caveat I didn't think of, as it's made for mics the two 3.5mm going into in to it needs 3 rings, not a big deal but can add bulk if you use adapters. Either way it fits in any pocket so...
Does the Yamaha sounds as good as a Focurite solo for the guitar?
Usurped the Element? That’s a big statement! In audio quality or just workflow/usability for your set up?
@WillieNegus that makes a lot of sense and you make great points. I see parallels in how I feel about the Motu M4 compared to my Element. Cheap interfaces used to get you 60-70% there and now these new cheap interfaces really get you to the 80-90% range, and with the right mixing experience, and recording environment, it’s more than good enough to pass, especially with electronic based (rap, rnb, pop, etc) music.
I just got my CEntrance MixerFace R4 Plus. I haven’t had a chance to test it, but here are my initial thoughts:
It is REALLY SMALL!! It’s about the size of a deck of cards!! Amazingly small!! Perfect size for my iPhone studio. 🙂 It feels very solid and well built.
I’ll post more when I’ve had a chance to play with it. 🙂
Sorry for a bit of a revive, I have a feeling all iPads are headed into the single port, USB C territory. One thing I still don’t 100% understand is if I hook up a powered USB hub to an iPad, then into that plug in an audio interface, then on another port a midi keyboard, then on another port a typing keyboard and maybe mouse (just throwing it all out there) - will they all just work? Assuming the interface is class compliant of course. I think the answer is yes, but I don’t wanna drop all this cash to just experiment lol.
If you’re talking about a usb-c hub then there’s a usb-c pd power Input on it so that you can run your hub while keeping the iPad charged and your devices powered.
Yeah I’m not too worried about powering the iPad while a powered hub is plugged into it, I meant more like, how does it handle having multiple devices plugged into the hub? Like, a class compliant audio interface (any kind) will show up in an app, the midi keyboard (usb) will work?
Short version is, does it behave the same way it would on a PC or Mac? I would think yes but I know there’s got to be some folks using a setup like this.
Yes.
Yes. Works exactly as you would expect, on an iPad Pro (with usb-c)
Awesome thanks!! Gonna keep it in mind and in my back pocket for next time I have to upgrade, might be about time
... with the one caveat: only one audio interface can be active at a time. Multiple midi devices are fine, but whatever audio interface is plugged in last will be the only one recognized. This includes things like USB mics.
Ok cool - this is ok, I wouldn’t be using anything for audio input (or output) EXCEPT the interface, but nonetheless this is still good to know. I can envision having a permanent spot (someday) where the iPad can basically function how a laptop would in a home studio. At least it’s good know it’s feasible
I am considering a U44 or U24, how is the headphone monitoring with it? Some Amazon reviewers say the headphone output volume isn’t high enough...which surprised me since so many people like these a lot.
No issues whatsoever. They have a very healthy level of juice. Go for it!
I use it (the Zoom U-44) a lot with my Audio-Technica ATH-R70 X (great headphones), which has 470 Ohms. Sometimes I wish it was a bit louder (it’s much louder on my SPL‘s headphone output). So it depends on the impedance of your headphones. If their impedance is less than 100 ohms, no problem. Although higher impedance does not always mean lower volume.
With my in ears (16 ohms) it‘s output is more than healthy …
Same here. I’m thinking of upgrading my iPad. Does U24 work with USB-c no problems?
Yes
Thanks for confirming!
Thanks.
Next question : should I be considering an Audient Evo 4 or MOTU M2?
Which has the best mic pres? (I’d occasionally be using it with a large diaphragm condenser that needs phantom power).
@espiegel123 This doesn’t exactly answer your mic pre question, but thought I’d chime in as a fairly new owner of the M4.
Have you considered how annoying it may be to have just one rotary knob to control all functions on the Evo 4. You will always have to press another button first to change what param the knob controls. You will never be able to see your input and output metering simultaneously, at least not on the device. And you won’t be able to have simultaneous access to the interface’s features, basically one knob at a time situation. With M2 you have in/out display and all knobs and params to control at all times.
The Evo 4 has only one d.i. 1/4 input for your guitar or bass, the other two inputs (which would disable the d.i. input if both used) are combo mic/line, not mic/line/inst. on the M2 both inputs are mic/line/inst/hi-z. Perhaps not important for your uses, but worth mentioning that you can have 2 guitars/basses plugged in with M2 and not with Evo 4.
Based on Julian Krause’s video, max system gain on the Evo 4 is around 41db and around 50db in the M2. He also mentions that the Evo 4 headphone driver needs phones with at least 150ohm impedance to work well, with the M2 being far superior in this case. Julian does recommend both devices highly, and many of the specs have minuscule differences at the end of the day. Evo 4 performance specs are actually really good.
The price difference is around $40, but the M2 gives you two extra unbalanced outs as well as a 5 pin midi i/o. That and a complete layout rather than 1 rotary knob. It also seems like Evo 4 is much smaller, but it’s not. A few inches narrower and shorter yes, but it’s taller. The size difference is not significant to me. The smart gain feature on the Evo 4 is brilliant however, and by all accounts works really well. Another nice feature is locking in an identical input gain level for both inputs with just a press.
Regarding the preamps, I’m sure Audient’s are great but I’ve never used them so don’t know. I can speak for the M2 since M4 is the same. Those preamps are really good to my ears and there’s plenty of room and signal to noise etc... They are extremely transparent, the only word I could use as a “criticism” would be clinical. This may or may not be a good thing depending on who you ask. But my feeling is that it’s a best in class interface that can seem clinical. When playing guitar, I sometimes prefer the sound of my Apogee Jam plus, it’s perhaps a little “warmer”? But it has too few features for my needs, so I only pull it out specifically for guitar on the go.
I’d also look at the M4 considering it’s an extra $40 on top of M2, for two extra line inputs, many extra monitor ins and outs, and a monitor mix knob, if these are something you’d need. Hope this helps in some way.
Do you have any idea how the Zoom preamps compare to the MOTU?
Besides listed specs in both manuals, no clue whatsoever. U-44 does look feature rich, like the spdif or battery/adapter/bus options. Perhaps more features overall than the M2 but no display as trade-off. Some people always say that bus powered preamps will never be as good as preamps on devices that have their own power, but I don’t think it applies in this case. Bus powered preamps are optimized in some way and sound great for the most part. I’ve never had any problems bus powering the M4 with two condensers going at the same time, just plugged in directly to the iPad with its own white usbc cable, no hubs no nothing.
The only Zoom product I’ve owned is the Q8, which is a go pro type hand cam with attached condenser mic capsules included from zoom. When recording live piano and vocals in a treated room I thought those mics were absolutely horrible, but how could they have matched a full size condenser anyway. I could have plugged in my own mic, but the onboard mics were thin and less than semi professional at best. I don’t think this is relevant to Zoom audio interfaces though.
@espiegel123 also based on what I’m reading it seems that u44 cannot send audio to an iPad via the spdif.
Thanks for the heads up. Can you post a link? The SPDIF would be handy but isn't essential -- but might make the U24 worthwhile.