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Rozeta Scaler alternatives?

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  • Thanks @wim and yes, that's a good point. And 300ms is a reasonable value 👍🏼

  • That’s useful Wim, I can run something which uses a scale that Rozeta Scaler doesn’t have into Rozeta Scaler, use the transpose there, and then filter that output through this to keep it in scale. Thanks a lot. Is there a way to change the names of the presets though? If I have a scale that doesn’t fit in to the standard ones in the knob, I just have to list it as ‘custom’? @wim

  • @Gavinski said:
    That’s useful Wim, I can run something which uses a scale that Rozeta Scaler doesn’t have into Rozeta Scaler, use the transpose there, and then filter that output through this to keep it in scale. Thanks a lot. Is there a way to change the names of the presets though? If I have a scale that doesn’t fit in to the standard ones in the knob, I just have to list it as ‘custom’? @wim

    No, there's no means of naming custom scales. Rozeta does amazing things, but one of its limitations is there is no dynamic string handling, so there isn't any way to do that.

    You might also want to check out https://patchstorage.com/scale-compendium/. It's like Simple Scaler on 'roids. There are tons of preset scales and also some other ways of quantizing notes to scale, only it doesn't have the instant customized scales like Simple Scaler.

  • edited August 2020

    @reasOne said:
    mirack 🤘🏽

    I like miRack a lot but it takes quite a bit more effort to learn how to patch something in miRack, just to use one of the quantizer modules to do something similar to Rozeta Scaler.

    I watched and followed along about 2 hrs. worth of miRack tutorial videos before starting to feel comfortable w/ modular patching in miRack. Maybe the process will be faster for the OP.

    Also, I don't see a MIDI Out module in miRack. OP loves his MIDI...

  • @wim said:

    @Gavinski said:
    That’s useful Wim, I can run something which uses a scale that Rozeta Scaler doesn’t have into Rozeta Scaler, use the transpose there, and then filter that output through this to keep it in scale. Thanks a lot. Is there a way to change the names of the presets though? If I have a scale that doesn’t fit in to the standard ones in the knob, I just have to list it as ‘custom’? @wim

    No, there's no means of naming custom scales. Rozeta does amazing things, but one of its limitations is there is no dynamic string handling, so there isn't any way to do that.

    You might also want to check out https://patchstorage.com/scale-compendium/. It's like Simple Scaler on 'roids. There are tons of preset scales and also some other ways of quantizing notes to scale, only it doesn't have the instant customized scales like Simple Scaler.

    Will do. Such a pity you can't make labels in Mozaic, is that some kind of technical limitation or fixable with an update? > @GovernorSilver said:

    @reasOne said:
    mirack 🤘🏽

    I like miRack a lot but it takes quite a bit more effort to learn how to patch something in miRack, just to use one of the quantizer modules to do something similar to Rozeta Scaler.

    I watched and followed along about 2 hrs. worth of miRack tutorial videos before starting to feel comfortable w/ modular patching in miRack. Maybe the process will be faster for the OP.

    Also, I don't see a MIDI Out module in miRack. OP loves his MIDI...

    Indeed he does!

  • wimwim
    edited August 2020

    @Gavinski said:
    Will do. Such a pity you can't make labels in Mozaic, is that some kind of technical limitation or fixable with an update?

    It's an intentional design limitation by the developer. It would add more complexity to the code-base needed to support the scripting language than he's willing to add. He's been clear from the beginning that there are no plans to change that.

  • Just tried Xyntheszr. It comes with a huge selection of scales.

    Downside is you have to run it as a standalone app and set it up as a MIDI source in AUM.

    My way would be to record the incoming MIDI to Sunvox AU in AUM, then I can do MIDI playback from Sunvox AU. But that's just my way.

  • edited August 2020

    @GovernorSilver said:
    Just tried Xyntheszr. It comes with a huge selection of scales.

    Downside is you have to run it as a standalone app and set it up as a MIDI source in AUM.

    My way would be to record the incoming MIDI to Sunvox AU in AUM, then I can do MIDI playback from Sunvox AU. But that's just my way.

    Let me think... Doesn't Xynthesizr run on an older iPhone too?
    And doesn't AUM support acting as a BT MIDI client?
    Your MIDI keyboard => Xynthesizr => AUM BT MIDI client => iPad Bluetooth MIDI.
    Add ChordPolyPad and have fun...

  • @GovernorSilver said:
    Just tried Xyntheszr. It comes with a huge selection of scales.

    Downside is you have to run it as a standalone app and set it up as a MIDI source in AUM.

    My way would be to record the incoming MIDI to Sunvox AU in AUM, then I can do MIDI playback from Sunvox AU. But that's just my way.

    I haven't tried to use sunvox as a midi player, must look into that, thnx

  • @rs2000 said:

    @GovernorSilver said:
    Just tried Xyntheszr. It comes with a huge selection of scales.

    Downside is you have to run it as a standalone app and set it up as a MIDI source in AUM.

    My way would be to record the incoming MIDI to Sunvox AU in AUM, then I can do MIDI playback from Sunvox AU. But that's just my way.

    Let me think... Doesn't Xynthesizr run on an older iPhone too?
    And doesn't AUM support acting as a BT MIDI client?
    Your MIDI keyboard => Xynthesizr => AUM BT MIDI client => iPad Bluetooth MIDI.
    Add ChordPolyPad and have fun...

    Haven't tested BT MIDI very much, but Xynthesizr never had a problem running on any of the iPhones I've had.

  • @Gavinski said:

    @GovernorSilver said:
    Just tried Xyntheszr. It comes with a huge selection of scales.

    Downside is you have to run it as a standalone app and set it up as a MIDI source in AUM.

    My way would be to record the incoming MIDI to Sunvox AU in AUM, then I can do MIDI playback from Sunvox AU. But that's just my way.

    I haven't tried to use sunvox as a midi player, must look into that, thnx

    Glad to give back a little help in return. One caveat is that when you run Sunvox as an AU, it looks for files in a different place compared to when you run it standalone. I asked the dev about it and he said it has something to do with AU in IOS - he generously called it a "feature". I believe him because I've similarly struggled to save and import projects in Drambo - esp. projects downloaded from Patchstorage - such a confusing workflow.

    The Sunvox dev sent me these steps for file management between the "two versions" of Sunvox:

    Export/Import -> System export/import:
    system export to transfer file from AU to standalone;
    system import to transfer file from standalone to AU.

  • @GovernorSilver I've just tried it and both Xynthesizr and ChordPolyPad work well as a BT MIDI source for basically any iPad synth or MIDI DAW. Using apeMatrix or AUM to advertise the iPhone as a BT MIDI client, after connecting, the iPad will appear as a new MIDI destination on the iPhone.

  • OK ...I'm officially dazed and confused ... feel the desperate need for one of Gavinski's video explorations for some of this. Send help!

  • @Soundscaper said:
    OK ...I'm officially dazed and confused ... feel the desperate need for one of Gavinski's video explorations for some of this. Send help!

    It's not too difficult.
    Run AUM on the iPhone, load Xynthesizr in an audio slot and in AUM settings, scroll down to "Blietooth MIDI" and enable "Peripheral" (advertise this device).
    Connect to this emulated Bluetooth MIDI device from your iPad.
    In Xynthesizr > Settings > MIDI > Destinations on the iPhone, you will now see the connected iPad. Choose it for notes (and MIDI clock if you want) and notes from Xynthesizr can now be received by the iPad app of your choice.

  • edited August 2020

    @rs2000 said:
    @GovernorSilver I've just tried it and both Xynthesizr and ChordPolyPad work well as a BT MIDI source for basically any iPad synth or MIDI DAW. Using apeMatrix or AUM to advertise the iPhone as a BT MIDI client, after connecting, the iPad will appear as a new MIDI destination on the iPhone.

    Thanks for the report. I'll try it sometime. It does seem like a wasted opportunity to not try utilizing my iPhone with my iPad in this manner.

  • @GovernorSilver said:

    @rs2000 said:
    @GovernorSilver I've just tried it and both Xynthesizr and ChordPolyPad work well as a BT MIDI source for basically any iPad synth or MIDI DAW. Using apeMatrix or AUM to advertise the iPhone as a BT MIDI client, after connecting, the iPad will appear as a new MIDI destination on the iPhone.

    Thanks for the report. I'll try it sometime. It does seem like a wasted opportunity to not try utilizing my iPhone with my iPad in this manner.

    It's fun, even with rather simple setups like using ChordPolyPad on the iPhone or using it as a MIDI processor running Mozaic or MidiFire.

  • edited August 2020

    This just popped up. Not much experience with it myself, but since it's free, I will of course try it. There appears to be a scale quantize option.

    https://apps.apple.com/us/app/physicles/id1409156444

    Tried on iPhone in AUM. As an AU the display is too small to be usable - no way to scroll around. But in a quick test, it did generate MIDI that played on Spectrum Synthesis Resonator.

    Should be more usable on iPad.

  • @rs2000 said:

    It's not too difficult.

    No it's not when someone takes the time and thought to set it out so clearly Mr 2000 ... many thanks.

    Experts - folks with expertise - tend to jump over what is obvious and second-nature to them. They often leave me blundering about in the dark wondering how they got there ... one missing step.

  • @Soundscaper said:

    @rs2000 said:

    It's not too difficult.

    No it's not when someone takes the time and thought to set it out so clearly Mr 2000 ... many thanks.

    Experts - folks with expertise - tend to jump over what is obvious and second-nature to them. They often leave me blundering about in the dark wondering how they got there ... one missing step.

    Thank you!
    My philosophy: The better I know my stuff, the easier it is to explain it with simple words. 😉

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