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Tascam model 12 - Mixer with midi clock!

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  • @rs2000 said:
    @Scottzilla82 I'm curious how well this is going to work out for you as I haven't found a setup that would work together seamlessly.
    Please keep us updated 😊

    I'm keen to find out too. I have a Model 12 here and I can see that it sends CONTINUE, CLOCK and STOP midi messages out on channel 0 over it's DIN and also over the USB into the ipad.
    I guess a cludgey workaround for the moment would be to just ignore the clock sync and somehow midi map the start and stop buttons on the Tascam to the AUM transport controls. Maybe a Mozaic listener that converts these channel 0 messages to a regular midi note that can be mapped?
    It's possible to put the Tascam into 'DAW Control' mode where it sends out midi notes and CCs for most of the hardware controls, but it seems doing that disables all the regular mixer capabilities, so that's no good.

    Because I want to use a hardware sequencer (Deluge) and arpeggiators in my hardware synths, it kind of works ok if I just use the AUM midi matrix to map the incoming Model 12 midi out to the Deluge, Hydrasynth and Bass station 2. This means my Deluge starts in sync with the Tascam and my 2 synths have arps clocked correctly. But obviously this way AUM isn't in on the act.
    Midi Link Sync will probably do an ok enough job for now of synching AUM to the external clock if I can start and stop it at the same time I guess. Unless there's another trick I'm missing?

    Interestingly, just checked out another option quickly and it seems to work just fine in standalone Drambo taking the clock and transport controls from the Tascam, controlling the Drambo transport and clock and with the ability to send out to my other hardware devices. If I'm doing my main mixing duties on the Tascam, maybe I can set up my send effects, loopers and whatever in drambo and I don't need AUM at all? Hmmmm...

  • Just wanted to know if anyone has been able to control Zenbeats with the Tascam Model 12? I saw YouTube video that it does control Cubasis and Auria Pro. Anyone tried it with Zenbeats 3?

  • 2 years after the initial post I’m waiting for the Model 12 to be delivered.
    I was quite happy with the Zedi10 (that I’m now putting up for sale) except for a couple of things:

    • no midi. So I needed an extra midi din to usb thingy.
    • The stereo in I use for the Digitakt don’t have dedicated inputs on iOS. You can access inputs 1-4 or 1,2 + master out or 1,2+aux/fx. That means to record just the Digitakt I have to solo, change inputs, blabla. Quite confusing and error-bound.

    So having the extra dedicated inputs was the perfect excuse. But I also like the fact you can choose to record post compression and post eq should you want to, this coupled with the extra inputs means I’ll hopefully be able to use external guitar pedals, while equine, compressing…. Sounds like fun.
    I don’t think I’ll be using the SD recording extensively but I do love the idea of having it there for those quick inspirational moments when you’re just playing guitar and singing and come up with something.
    I’d like to have everything connected, it’s a simple setup.

    • voicelive 3 vocals wet + dry
    • Guitar
    • Bass
    • Digitakt
    • Synth
      Having midi with tempo click and SD recording means (hopefully) I can just turn on and record an idea that I can then further work on.
  • @Jimantronic and @Tones4Christ id love to hear about how you’re using the Model 12 with iOS!.
    Are you using daw control at all?
    How would you record an iPad app/synth into the Model 12 SD card project?. Can you?.
    Are you using it for reamping or applying external effects?.
    Are you using the mixers compressor and eq?.

    Too many questions…

  • edited August 2022

    I'm really enjoying it. I was really blessed to get mine at used price and it was the last one available too. But my great surprise, the box was the only thing used. Was super happy!

    Anyway, I'm still learning it. But just like plumbing, you have to think of where things are coming from and where you want them to go to. This amazing mixer has so many possibilities. Still haven't gone into the Midi part. I just hooked up the usb-c cable from the Model 12 to the external USB hub which is connected to the Apple CCK to the iPad. So in Cubasis and Loopy Pro I have access to all 12 inputs, mono and stereo. Same for Outputs, but for outputs, I think i only have 10 outs. In Cubasis, it sends them as stereo outs. But in Loopy Pro, and AUM I do have the ability to send out in mono or stereo outs back to the board.

    I have all my guitar cable going into channel 3 of Tascam Model 12. I send that channel out via effects out AUX1 to the effects pedals input then hook up to the Pedal board out to Channel 4 of the tascam. So this way, I send to pedal board clean sound to be effected while at the same time sending it to iPad dry to be recorded on channel 3.

    The effected sound goes out pedal board to channel 4 in tascam already effected by pedal board. That channel also gets sent to iPad effected too. So I have both drynand effected recordings simultaneously. This is in case I wanted to ramp my sound later externally or internally in the iPad.

    I still haven't purchased an SD card. Have to save for it. But it's possible to record simultaneously to iPad while recording to the SD card. I definitely want to get one someday for those days when I wanna go DAWLESS. I know my daughter wants to record on it and she is old school DAWLESS. Wants to turn on machine, hook guitar and press record. Which is part of the magic of this board. It truly is something wonderful!

    @tahiche said:
    @Jimantronic and @Tones4Christ id love to hear about how you’re using the Model 12 with iOS!.
    Are you using daw control at all?
    How would you record an iPad app/synth into the Model 12 SD card project?. Can you?.
    Are you using it for reamping or applying external effects?.
    Are you using the mixers compressor and eq?.

    Too many questions…

  • @Tones4Christ said:
    I'm really enjoying it. I was really blessed to get mine at used price and it was the last one available too. But my great surprise, the box was the only thing used. Was super happy!

    Anyway, I'm still learning it. But just like plumbing, you have to think of where things are coming from and where you want them to go to. This amazing mixer has so many possibilities. Still haven't gone into the Midi part. I just hooked up the usb-c cable from the Model 12 to the external USB hub which is connected to the Apple CCK to the iPad. So in Cubasis and Loopy Pro I have access to all 12 inputs, mono and stereo. Same for Outputs, but for outputs, I think i only have 10 outs. In Cubasis, it sends them as stereo outs. But in Loopy Pro, and AUM I do have the ability to send out in mono or stereo outs back to the board.

    I have all my guitar cable going into channel 3 of Tascam Model 12. I send that channel out via effects out AUX1 to the effects pedals input then hook up to the Pedal board out to Channel 4 of the tascam. So this way, I send to pedal board clean sound to be effected while at the same time sending it to iPad dry to be recorded on channel 3.

    The effected sound goes out pedal board to channel 4 in tascam already effected by pedal board. That channel also gets sent to iPad effected too. So I have both drynand effected recordings simultaneously. This is in case I wanted to ramp my sound later externally or internally in the iPad.

    I still haven't purchased an SD card. Have to save for it. But it's possible to record simultaneously to iPad while recording to the SD card. I definitely want to get one someday for those days when I wanna go DAWLESS. I know my daughter wants to record on it and she is old school DAWLESS. Wants to turn on machine, hook guitar and press record. Which is part of the magic of this board. It truly is something wonderful!

    Thanks for this!.
    I am looking to buy some SD card too, wonder if anyone here can recommend one that’s been tested. Seems like SD cards can be quite tricky.

    Although main use would be worth Loopy, Zenbeats, etc I want to try the dawless approach aswell. Think it might bring some old-school exciment. When I switched from desktop to iOS I felt that creativity spike, it might the case now going to screen less recording.

    How is the midi working for you guys?. I can’t believe that midi is such a “Luxury” in these kind of boards. Having midi is a must if you’re going to record anything in time like drum machines, Drambo sequences, Arpeggios, etcétera.

    Got a question about “mixed mode” say you use the model 12 as an audio interface in Loopy… Can you then bounce those loops back into the model 12 sd recorder?. Do you need to send the (PC) track through an aux and then back into a free channel?.
    Cheers!

  • edited August 2022

    I haven't messed with the Midi yet since I have it connected to the iPad via the CCK adapter. The outs from either the PC or iPad will default to out channels 1 & 2 and go to the board on. 1 & 2. However, with Loopy Pro, AUM, Cubasis, you're able to select any separate fade5pair out to the Model 12. I usually set it to 9 & 10 as it has a dedicated fader on the board which makes it easier to control vs using two separate fader. You can send everything everywhere on this board. Like to the main mix, SD card, sub outs, effects outs, monitor outs, very flexible.
    Zenbeats is currently the only DAW not recognizing all the available outputs. Only gives the default 1&2 out.

    I'm sure you can record Loopy Pro's loops to the SD card on the Model 12 to mess with offline. This creates perfect DAWless scenario. Or have hardware LP loops playing while messing with iPad in real-time. Possibilities endless!

    @lars could you please ask the Cubasis team about possibility to add mono outs and not just stereo pairs as available on AUM and Loopy Pro? Thanks!

  • @Tones4Christ said:
    ...Cubasis team about possibility to add mono outs and not just stereo pairs as available on AUM and Loopy Pro? Thanks!

    If I'm not mistaken when you have a mono-track in Cubasis you can select any of the inputs/outputs, not just the stereo pairs.
    (at least that is what I can do on my UR-242, when a track is mono I can select 1,2,3,4 when it's stereo it's 1&2, 3&4).

  • @Samu said:

    @Tones4Christ said:
    ...Cubasis team about possibility to add mono outs and not just stereo pairs as available on AUM and Loopy Pro? Thanks!

    If I'm not mistaken when you have a mono-track in Cubasis you can select any of the inputs/outputs, not just the stereo pairs.
    (at least that is what I can do on my UR-242, when a track is mono I can select 1,2,3,4 when it's stereo it's 1&2, 3&4).

    Awesome! Thanks Samu, I'll take a look. Maybe I was working on stereo channel and didn't realize that. 🤔

  • @Tones4Christ said:

    Awesome! Thanks Samu, I'll take a look. Maybe I was working on stereo channel and didn't realize that. 🤔

    That is most likely it as Cubasis has a habit of converting Mono tracks to Stereo when freezing them...

  • @Tones4Christ said:
    I haven't messed with the Midi yet since I have it connected to the iPad via the CCK adapter. The outs from either the PC or iPad will default to out channels 1 & 2 and go to the board on. 1 & 2. However, with Loopy Pro, AUM, Cubasis, you're able to select any separate fade5pair out to the Model 12. I usually set it to 9 & 10 as it has a dedicated fader on the board which makes it easier to control vs using two separate fader. You can send everything everywhere on this board. Like to the main mix, SD card, sub outs, effects outs, monitor outs, very flexible.
    Zenbeats is currently the only DAW not recognizing all the available outputs. Only gives the default 1&2 out.

    I'm sure you can record Loopy Pro's loops to the SD card on the Model 12 to mess with offline. This creates perfect DAWless scenario. Or have hardware LP loops playing while messing with iPad in real-time. Possibilities endless!

    @lars could you please ask the Cubasis team about possibility to add mono outs and not just stereo pairs as available on AUM and Loopy Pro? Thanks!

    You can’t choose individual outputs in Zenbeats?. That’s a bummer. I hope they fix it. I believe you already posted about it in the Zenbeats thread. Right?.

  • Yeah, it's gotta be a bug because sometimes I go to the Audio settings part of Zenbeats, and it does detect all 10 or 12 outs. Then when I go to select one, it flashes or something like that, and resets to 1 & 2. Hopefully they can look into it.

  • @Samu said:

    @Tones4Christ said:

    Awesome! Thanks Samu, I'll take a look. Maybe I was working on stereo channel and didn't realize that. 🤔

    That is most likely it as Cubasis has a habit of converting Mono tracks to Stereo when freezing them...

    Samuel, I think it only does stereo pairs for outputs. I took a pic and this is for a mono guitar audio track.

  • >

    Samuel, I think it only does stereo pairs for outputs. I took a pic and this is for a mono guitar audio track.

    Ok, so what remains is to hard pan the channels so they are either L or R on the output pair.
    So full pan L would be 'odd' channel and full pan R would be 'even' channel of the selected pair.

  • But I only have one track selected. Say I wanted that dry track to go out back to my external mixer on track 3 as a mono track for external process into my guitar pedals, there's no way to select it as a mono track, I guess you're right, I could pan it hard left for that stereo output 3 & 4. That could work.

  • @Tones4Christ,

    Would you be willing to walk through the setup with me? I’ve tried this Tascam M12 and the Zoom L12 and my 2022 11 inch iPad pro won’t recognize either of them. :(

    Thanks!

    @Tones4Christ said:
    I'm really enjoying it. I was really blessed to get mine at used price and it was the last one available too. But my great surprise, the box was the only thing used. Was super happy!

    Anyway, I'm still learning it. But just like plumbing, you have to think of where things are coming from and where you want them to go to. This amazing mixer has so many possibilities. Still haven't gone into the Midi part. I just hooked up the usb-c cable from the Model 12 to the external USB hub which is connected to the Apple CCK to the iPad. So in Cubasis and Loopy Pro I have access to all 12 inputs, mono and stereo. Same for Outputs, but for outputs, I think i only have 10 outs. In Cubasis, it sends them as stereo outs. But in Loopy Pro, and AUM I do have the ability to send out in mono or stereo outs back to the board.

    I have all my guitar cable going into channel 3 of Tascam Model 12. I send that channel out via effects out AUX1 to the effects pedals input then hook up to the Pedal board out to Channel 4 of the tascam. So this way, I send to pedal board clean sound to be effected while at the same time sending it to iPad dry to be recorded on channel 3.

    The effected sound goes out pedal board to channel 4 in tascam already effected by pedal board. That channel also gets sent to iPad effected too. So I have both drynand effected recordings simultaneously. This is in case I wanted to ramp my sound later externally or internally in the iPad.

    I still haven't purchased an SD card. Have to save for it. But it's possible to record simultaneously to iPad while recording to the SD card. I definitely want to get one someday for those days when I wanna go DAWLESS. I know my daughter wants to record on it and she is old school DAWLESS. Wants to turn on machine, hook guitar and press record. Which is part of the magic of this board. It truly is something wonderful!

    @tahiche said:
    @Jimantronic and @Tones4Christ id love to hear about how you’re using the Model 12 with iOS!.
    Are you using daw control at all?
    How would you record an iPad app/synth into the Model 12 SD card project?. Can you?.
    Are you using it for reamping or applying external effects?.
    Are you using the mixers compressor and eq?.

    Too many questions…

  • Hi, I just tried the Model12 with Logic Pro iPad and is seems to have the same problem as Zenbeats, or similar…
    All 12 inputs seem to work well, you can select and record them.
    Outputs, is where I having issues. All 12 outputs are visible and selectable. However only output 1-2 is working. If you select any other ouputs for master stereo out, track, bus… no audio is received on the Model12.
    Has anyone tried the Tascam Model mixers with Logic IPad?. Maybe @Tones4Christ ?.

  • Finally decided to add one to the band:

  • @echoopera said:
    Finally decided to add one to the band:

    Yeeeah 🤟. How are you liking it so far?. I’m very happy with it, I thought I was gonna use it as a multi-track recorder but haven’t, at all.
    As posted above, I’m having issues with Logic iPad. Last time it worked perfectly, I could select any stereo pair on the Tascam from Logic. Until I changed the buffer settings, then I lost all options and couldn’t get them back…

  • edited September 2023

    @echoopera said:
    Finally decided to add one to the band:

    Just saw this image on Deluge discord, and was interested to learn more, which led me here. But it was you again 😂

    Tell me how does syncing with tascam and deluge work, and do you use daw as well?

  • @echoopera Nice! What made you choose this over the TX-6?

  • edited September 2023

    @Milkyway1980 right now i’m just going straight in without using the Midi but i will explore it. I’ve had it less than a day. I am using it stand alone to multitrack and with Ableton when i want to refine. It’s really cool that you can mount the T12 as a storage device and transfer your STEMS over USB to your computer which saves a ton of time.

    @mistercharlie honestly because the TX-6 is way too small. I can’t use the knobs and really didn’t enjoy the ergonomics when i tested it out at Perfect Circuit. I like being able to touch my knobs and sliders without having to scrunch up and treat my fingers like tweezers. The TX is amazing on paper but not to my liking in the real world. I wish it were 15% larger. Then it would be a no brainer. It’s an amazing engineering exercise i wish they’d apply to the real world of real humans using physical things with joy. 😉

  • @tahiche said:

    @echoopera said:
    Finally decided to add one to the band:

    Yeeeah 🤟. How are you liking it so far?. I’m very happy with it, I thought I was gonna use it as a multi-track recorder but haven’t, at all.
    As posted above, I’m having issues with Logic iPad. Last time it worked perfectly, I could select any stereo pair on the Tascam from Logic. Until I changed the buffer settings, then I lost all options and couldn’t get them back…

    Hrmmm it’s still early days for me. Have you tried creating a new song at the right sample rate? I think Logic defaults to 48khz so I’d start there especially if you have an iPad Pro. I’ll see if i get to a test with Logic (iPad or Mac?)

  • @echoopera said:

    @tahiche said:

    @echoopera said:
    Finally decided to add one to the band:

    Yeeeah 🤟. How are you liking it so far?. I’m very happy with it, I thought I was gonna use it as a multi-track recorder but haven’t, at all.
    As posted above, I’m having issues with Logic iPad. Last time it worked perfectly, I could select any stereo pair on the Tascam from Logic. Until I changed the buffer settings, then I lost all options and couldn’t get them back…

    Hrmmm it’s still early days for me. Have you tried creating a new song at the right sample rate? I think Logic defaults to 48khz so I’d start there especially if you have an iPad Pro. I’ll see if i get to a test with Logic (iPad or Mac?)

    Yes, that’s not the issue. Something about how the audio interfaces advertises. it’s weird because like I said it worked fine for a while, where I could choose the ouputs (I like to use stereo pair 9/10 to receive from iPad daw), then switched buffer and downer, all those settings were gone. Can’t choose output and stuck in channels 1&2.

  • edited September 2023

    Weird. Have you updated to 1.4. Maybe it will be magically fixed. It allows you to select 1/2, 9/10 or Mix as the return from the computer/iPad.

  • edited September 2023

    @echoopera said:
    @Milkyway1980 right now i’m just going straight in without using the Midi but i will explore it. I’ve had it less than a day. I am using it stand alone to multitrack and with Ableton when i want to refine. It’s really cool that you can mount the T12 as a storage device and transfer your STEMS over USB to your computer which saves a ton of time.

    Hm, interesting, got me thinking.
    What could be an option of same/similar device but a bit smaller (not tx6 small, something in between)? Though looking at it doesn't look that much bigger from deluge, i think wide lens in your shot makes it elongated

    Thank you

  • edited September 2023

    @Milkyway1980 said:

    @echoopera said:
    @Milkyway1980 right now i’m just going straight in without using the Midi but i will explore it. I’ve had it less than a day. I am using it stand alone to multitrack and with Ableton when i want to refine. It’s really cool that you can mount the T12 as a storage device and transfer your STEMS over USB to your computer which saves a ton of time.

    Hm, interesting, got me thinking.
    What could be an option of same/similar device but a bit smaller (not tx6 small, something in between)? Though looking at it doesn't look that much bigger from deluge, i think wide lens in your shot makes it elongated

    Thank you

    There isn't much in the Market that is smaller than it that provides MultiTrack and Audio over USB. I had TC Helicon Blender before the T12:
    https://www.tc-helicon.com/product.html?modelCode=P0CPR
    https://forum.audiob.us/uploads/editor/fu/qka4wxzchjgu.png

    It works well, but I couldn't live with the design and build of the thing...super cheap plastic form factor...but it works.

    The 1010music BlueBox would have been perfect, but it lacks audio over USB.

    After 2 years of searching after my Soundcraft 12 MTK failed on me, the TX-6 and The Tascam Model 12 were the 2 main mixers that made the most sense for my needs. I looked at the Presonus, Mackie Onyx, and the new Allen & Heath CQ-18T, but the M12 won out cause of the total feature set and 12 I/O functionality and being able to mount as a storage device to the computer.

    Plus I was tired of searching for the unicorn which does not exist...for now :smiley:

  • @echoopera said:

    @Milkyway1980 said:

    @echoopera said:
    @Milkyway1980 right now i’m just going straight in without using the Midi but i will explore it. I’ve had it less than a day. I am using it stand alone to multitrack and with Ableton when i want to refine. It’s really cool that you can mount the T12 as a storage device and transfer your STEMS over USB to your computer which saves a ton of time.

    Hm, interesting, got me thinking.
    What could be an option of same/similar device but a bit smaller (not tx6 small, something in between)? Though looking at it doesn't look that much bigger from deluge, i think wide lens in your shot makes it elongated

    Thank you

    There isn't much in the Market that is smaller than it that provides MultiTrack and Audio over USB. I had TC Helicon Blender before the T12:
    https://www.tc-helicon.com/product.html?modelCode=P0CPR
    https://forum.audiob.us/uploads/editor/fu/qka4wxzchjgu.png

    It works well, but I couldn't live with the design and build of the thing...super cheap plastic form factor...but it works.

    The 1010music BlueBox would have been perfect, but it lacks audio over USB.

    After 2 years of searching after my Soundcraft 12 MTK failed on me, the TX-6 and The Tascam Model 12 were the 2 main mixers that made the most sense for my needs. I looked at the Presonus, Mackie Onyx, and the new Allen & Heath CQ-18T, but the M12 won out cause of the total feature set and 12 I/O functionality and being able to mount as a storage device to the computer.

    Plus I was tired of searching for the unicorn which does not exist...for now :smiley:

    You chave picked M12 over CQ-18T? What was the advantages? Looks like CQ-18T has almost all features mentioned above (I have plans to get if it will be available :smile: )

  • edited September 2023

    @MAtrixplan said:

    @echoopera said:

    @Milkyway1980 said:

    @echoopera said:
    @Milkyway1980 right now i’m just going straight in without using the Midi but i will explore it. I’ve had it less than a day. I am using it stand alone to multitrack and with Ableton when i want to refine. It’s really cool that you can mount the T12 as a storage device and transfer your STEMS over USB to your computer which saves a ton of time.

    Hm, interesting, got me thinking.
    What could be an option of same/similar device but a bit smaller (not tx6 small, something in between)? Though looking at it doesn't look that much bigger from deluge, i think wide lens in your shot makes it elongated

    Thank you

    There isn't much in the Market that is smaller than it that provides MultiTrack and Audio over USB. I had TC Helicon Blender before the T12:
    https://www.tc-helicon.com/product.html?modelCode=P0CPR
    https://forum.audiob.us/uploads/editor/fu/qka4wxzchjgu.png

    It works well, but I couldn't live with the design and build of the thing...super cheap plastic form factor...but it works.

    The 1010music BlueBox would have been perfect, but it lacks audio over USB.

    After 2 years of searching after my Soundcraft 12 MTK failed on me, the TX-6 and The Tascam Model 12 were the 2 main mixers that made the most sense for my needs. I looked at the Presonus, Mackie Onyx, and the new Allen & Heath CQ-18T, but the M12 won out cause of the total feature set and 12 I/O functionality and being able to mount as a storage device to the computer.

    Plus I was tired of searching for the unicorn which does not exist...for now :smiley:

    You chave picked M12 over CQ-18T? What was the advantages? Looks like CQ-18T has almost all features mentioned above (I have plans to get if it will be available :smile: )

    Well it’s twice the price, won’t work with my MPC One as an interface, doesn’t mount as a storage device, and won’t control my DAW to name a few things. But twice the price being the main factor. 😉

    It does look great though. I wish they had better demos of it though. The demo guy talks way too much and never shows a synth, guitar and mic plugged into it…just a lot of yadda yadda feature this or that…but no real world demos to really show me what it can do.

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