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Do I just bite the bullet and buy cubasis? :)
What to do what to do ....
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No. Get BM2. Save money and get more features. Don't be defeated by a quirky UI. She's a powerhouse.
Here is an alternate take... I prefer Cubasis. Cubasis is fantastic and extremely easy to use. It is so intuitive that you almost don't need to read the manual. New features are constantly being added. With the next update, midi will have automation. But remember, this is a subjunctive thing. @boone51's opinion is as valid as mine, as is anyone else's here. :-) Personally, I took the expensive route, and have purchased every DAW that I was interested in, and tried them each out extensively for myself. I will reevaluate again once Auria has Midi. For me, work flow is very important, and Cubasis has been a very good DAW with a steady track record and constant development, by one of the major names in the industry.
My 2 cents worth. I have both and personally find BM2 hard to navigate and use. It is not what you might call intuitive. Cubasis on the other hand is so easy to use that you really don't need the manual. You can buy it and use it straight away without scratching your head. In the end it's not the $ that matter, it's the usability and getting the job done with the least headaches.
No, Wait for nanostudio 2. But the 3 above have valid points. Can't say you don't have options.
If Auria is still on sale just get that. If you are on iPad of course. Another option for consideration
I have BM2 but im still waiting a sale for cubasis because is so intuitive i worked in cubasis in an ipad not mine and is really good, but the price is really high for me, but i think in sale is worth it.
I had a similar thought about buying Auria for the $24.99 sale (U.S.). My DAW's are either MT DAW or GarageBand. Really, I'm not advanced enough to use/appreciate the features of Auria (yet), so there really isn't a reason for me to need it over what I already have, other than the "never-ending valley" of chasing the next, better thing.
But for me, even if the $ didn't bother me, I just worry about the iPad2 with a more advanced DAW. MT DAW is famously low-hassle on the memory, so even though it lacks basic features like a freaking count in for recording (still!), it remains a solid piece of software. And in conjunction with AudioBus and AudioShare, I can get my projects uploaded to SoundCloud and saved in DropBox.
I've found Cubasis to be unstable. That being said, it's far more intuitive than BM2 and has some nice features. Over the last few days I've rediscovered BM2 and have been impressed at how responsive it is compared to Auria and Cubasis. Of course, BM2 has an obtuse and borderline illogical media management system.
So pick your poison. At this point I've tried (almost?) every iOS DAW that's capable of MIDI & audio and the result is the same: each one will disappoint you, it's just a matter of how.
BM2 is not for the faint of heart. You'll often find three screens where there should be just one. It's a little bit of a nightmare to manage, file-wise. It's got a lot going against it when compared to Cubasis. But it's 20 bucks and Cubasis is 50 right now. I have Cubasis. It's a great little app, but I don't use it. Still, the Steinberg folks have been pretty responsive and the app has seen steady updates (certainly more than BM2). I don't think you'll be upset if you get it. It's just not one of the daw's I happen to use.
Bm2 is a fantastic piece of software with a quirky interface that once learned will give you a lot. Especially since the last update, which I've noticed fixed the punch in record. If/when cubasis goes on sale I'm going to get it though as it seems like it is in constant and steady development which can't be said about bm2. Saying that bm2 seemed to be more stable when releases as opposed to cubasis (or so I heard from users here). I'd say in terms of price/quality bm2 wins hands down.
Also the file management on bm2 is not ideal but can be kept under control by naming your audio clips and trimming them
to what you require and manually deleting the large original size. I think this is the case because bm2 was mainly built to deal with loops rather than continuous audio (it can do that too) but I wouldn't say it needs more taps to do the same thing it's just it handles it differently. As I said early however cubasis seems to be more of an investment because of its steady development.
Well, what kind of music do you make? For me it's house music and Cubasis has a few issues:
lack of automation
inadequate midi sequencer for drums (you get a piano roll and have to guess what's where)
a compressor with side chain support is missing
Bm2 has all of these, but the workflow is quite bad, it's really destroying my creativity having to fiddle all the time with midi parameters and the interface is really poorly thought.
Personally I really like Gadget, but it's not a full DAW yet. When Cubasis gets automation I will probably use it more.
I completely agree with papertiger that all iOS DAWs will disappoint you in one way or another.
It's funny to me that in my early ios DAW days, Nanostudio won the war against BM2 so completely, that I had a hard time wanting to return to BM2 even though it eventually had significant updates which pushed it far beyond Nanostudio's capabilities, all the while Nanostudio had fairly superficial updates. So now, I have a hard time wanting to use BM2 even though at this point it is probably the most feature complete ios DAW available.
Looks like a very balanced set of views here! My experience has been this
BM2 - great features, awkward UI = 0 finished songs
Cubasis - very initiative, some features lacking = 0 finished songs (but lots started)
Auria - professional grade, only one with acceptable fx. = all my finished songs (of which many start their lives in Cubasis)
So for me I got what I paid for... Bm2 is no longer on any device I own, the others actually help me finish songs. However if I only had 1 DAW... I wouldn't finish any songs;)
There's also Multitrack Studio. I would ask the OP which iOS device(s) you have, what features are important to you, and how do you plan on using a DAW. Do you have any other DAWs currently, and if so, are they not meeting your needs?
Cubasis is a pure pleasure to work with. Not much bad about it actually and it keeps getting better! The layout works just like it should, it is responsive to touch, has a nice rack of effects that are super easy to use and it just does what it is supposed to easily and without a hassle.
It also handles my midis very well.
Thanks all. I have an iPad with a ton of music apps, gadget included. I have a midi keyboard and def want midi capability, although maybe with audiobus that's less important? I have bm2 and just haven't come to grips with ot
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When I need to do some sequencing (usually drums), I still find myself in BM2. Is the user experience bad as everyone's made out? YES! I still find myself hunting for features I used the previous day. Despite this, it still works better for my MIDI needs than Cubasis. Ideal for me would be when Auria gets MIDI
@Audiojunkie said:
+1
Audiobus doesn't diminish the need for midi....in fact, I would say that it makes midi more useful.
For me Cubasis is the only DAW I use all the time, if you watch any of my videos you will see that if I'm reviewing an app inside Audiobus and recording I use Cubasis, everything on my Soundcloud was done inside Cubasis, Personally I never have issues with it, I use it because I don't really have to think about using it, if you get what I mean. I like BM2 but it makes me think, and when I'm creating all I want to think about is the music. It gets updated a lot too.
I keep running into creative walls because I don't yet have a good Audio + Midi + Audiobus solution. I own Auria but trying to sync Genome with it as a MIDI solution is a pain (mostly, working in Genome is a pain). For audio, I love Auria but I keep wondering if waiting out the "big update" is worth it. I'm tempted to just buy Cubasis and get on with making music.
I just bought auria bc of the 50 off sale. That being said, I have a basic question. I can record audio into auria from a synth app using audiobus, and not worry about midi, correct?
@eroxxx said:
Correct, if you record an actual performance then MIDI won't matter.
One thing to consider: BM2 grew up via BM (1) on iPhone. It's grown a lot in that period and is quite feature rich as was said above, truly the most feature rich of all, having gone through many many updates to date. Cubasis and the rest are younger, and grew up on iPad. If u want to make music on both iPhone and iPad as I do, BM2 is it. It's incredible to have the power on iPhone and move projects to iPad... The ui is the ui, I learned on it before I tried Cubasis. The only issue I have with BM2, having forgiven the ui idiosyncrasies long ago, is it doesn't yet have IAA fx as does Cubasis. I don't find the onboard fx to be crap, certainly no more than Cubasis, and they are automatable, and have XY pads.
@eroxxx said:
Yes, you can. Also, you can do song programming in your other apps (Gadget, BM2, etc.), and stream them into Auria. :-) I love Auria, but don't have enough space for it with my iPad 2, but my two favorites that work well together are Cubasis and Auria. At 50% off, I think you made a good decision! :-)
@Littlewoodg said:
Good point. I don't like using an iPhone for sequencing music (too small for me), but if I had to do so, BM2 would probably be my first choice, because the UI was designed for iPhones.
Yeah all you need now is £500 worth of plug ins, Fabfilter, Saturn, ProC are all incredible, these three are a must
Bargain!