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tape pro... coming soon!!!!

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  • Talk about fanatics.
    Everything’s fine until someone posts an image that shows “impurities” in the precious.

  • wimwim
    edited September 2020

    A tape sim without impurities isn’t a tape sim. 😂😂

  • If you believe that tapecassette2 sounds like garbage because it doesn’t sound like aliasing.
    Whatever floats your goat.

  • Eh? I think you misunderstand. I don’t think it sounds like garbage. And I don’t think your spectrogram pictures say anything relevant about how it sounds. But, I’ll shut up now.

  • edited September 2020

    For what it’s worth the spectrogram images are pretty interesting IMO. But I also appreciate the additional explanation from @DJB which offers an even greater understanding of what’s going on.

    All the information shared is worthwhile and helps to further our understanding of what is going on. 👍

  • @jolico said:
    If you believe that tapecassette2 sounds like garbage because it doesn’t sound like aliasing.
    Whatever floats your goat.

    not sure why you're going out of your way with your slander of reelbus. Especially after they reached out with an incredibly generous and detailed description of what's actually happening (it's not aliasing). As someone who has used tape machines for most of their life, Reelbus is indeed very lifelike and what you're describing as aliasing does indeed occur when using tape.

    some people need to play the game of having the "best", "most authentic", or simply newfangled thing rather than enjoying the subtleties and differences between them. Personally, I'm happy to have both at my disposal.

  • @palms said:

    @jolico said:
    If you believe that tapecassette2 sounds like garbage because it doesn’t sound like aliasing.
    Whatever floats your goat.

    not sure why you're going out of your way with your slander of reelbus. Especially after they reached out with an incredibly generous and detailed description of what's actually happening (it's not aliasing). As someone who has used tape machines for most of their life, Reelbus is indeed very lifelike and what you're describing as aliasing does indeed occur when using tape.

    some people need to play the game of having the "best", "most authentic", or simply newfangled thing rather than enjoying the subtleties and differences between them. Personally, I'm happy to have both at my disposal.

    Not slandering. I love Toneboosters apps and use them. All of them.

  • @jolico said:

    @palms said:

    @jolico said:
    If you believe that tapecassette2 sounds like garbage because it doesn’t sound like aliasing.
    Whatever floats your goat.

    not sure why you're going out of your way with your slander of reelbus. Especially after they reached out with an incredibly generous and detailed description of what's actually happening (it's not aliasing). As someone who has used tape machines for most of their life, Reelbus is indeed very lifelike and what you're describing as aliasing does indeed occur when using tape.

    some people need to play the game of having the "best", "most authentic", or simply newfangled thing rather than enjoying the subtleties and differences between them. Personally, I'm happy to have both at my disposal.

    Not slandering. I love Toneboosters apps and use them. All of them.

    @palms @jolico to be fair I do not think Jolico is “slandering” but making some comparisons between 2 products. It could be taken the wrong way and maybe the comparisons did not need to be posted. Saying that it did lead to the TB dev giving us all some good in depth tape info. Be at peace everyone. The world needs it . Peace

  • The Reelbus Warmth preset is butter, I put it on everything.

  • Interesting, but does it sound like a tape?

    I think nobody has managed this so far.

  • edited September 2020

    @Max_Free @DJB To my hearing the original TB Reelbus sounded more like tape . I prefer it because it has much fewer controls.
    The new one is ok too though. @DJB could you possibly release the version thats in Audio Evolution as a legacy plugin. It sounds very good with more simple controls,

  • @stormbeats said:
    @Max_Free @DJB To my hearing the original TB Reelbus sounded more like tape . I prefer it because it has much fewer controls.
    The new one is ok too though. @DJB could you possibly release the version thats in Audio Evolution as a legacy plugin. It sounds very good with more simple controls,

    +1

    And ferox too

  • @jolico said:

    @stormbeats said:
    @Max_Free @DJB To my hearing the original TB Reelbus sounded more like tape . I prefer it because it has much fewer controls.
    The new one is ok too though. @DJB could you possibly release the version thats in Audio Evolution as a legacy plugin. It sounds very good with more simple controls,

    +1

    And ferox too

    @jolico i agree. The older versions sound more authentic especially when you drive the input signal . Not saying the newer versions are bad though.

  • @stormbeats said:

    @jolico said:

    @stormbeats said:
    @Max_Free @DJB To my hearing the original TB Reelbus sounded more like tape . I prefer it because it has much fewer controls.
    The new one is ok too though. @DJB could you possibly release the version thats in Audio Evolution as a legacy plugin. It sounds very good with more simple controls,

    +1

    And ferox too

    @jolico i agree. The older versions sound more authentic especially when you drive the input signal . Not saying the newer versions are bad though.

    Also, I actually like the skeuomorphic graphics. I find them more inspiring while creating.

  • @jolico : I am surprised to hear you you say that you haven't over-critical of TB. You wrote earlier in this thread that the TB offering has "...horrible aliasing polluting your tracks." That sounds pretty critical, and it has been explained that this isn't true. The TB app isn't aliasing.

    And the (realistic) sound you attribute to aliasing can be mitigated by adjusting the parameters.

  • @espiegel123 said:
    @jolico : I am surprised to hear you you say that you haven't over-critical of TB. You wrote earlier in this thread that the TB offering has "...horrible aliasing polluting your tracks." That sounds pretty critical, and it has been explained that this isn't true. The TB app isn't aliasing.

    And the (realistic) sound you attribute to aliasing can be mitigated by adjusting the parameters.

    Well I won’t be using any of the presets anymore, but I do still use all of the TB apps. Even the older ones inside AEMS.

    FYI, the non-tape FX also give similar artifacts if you’re not careful. Even the EQ’s “circuit drive” at higher levels and the Enhancer.

  • @jolico said:

    @espiegel123 said:
    @jolico : I am surprised to hear you you say that you haven't over-critical of TB. You wrote earlier in this thread that the TB offering has "...horrible aliasing polluting your tracks." That sounds pretty critical, and it has been explained that this isn't true. The TB app isn't aliasing.

    And the (realistic) sound you attribute to aliasing can be mitigated by adjusting the parameters.

    Well I won’t be using any of the presets anymore, but I do still use all of the TB apps. Even the older ones inside AEMS.

    FYI, the non-tape FX also give similar artifacts if you’re not careful. Even the EQ’s “circuit drive” at higher levels and the Enhancer.

    With any DSP app -- even if it has great anti-aliasing -- you can probably create really ugly artifacts if you don't set levels reasonably. Any time you run into "similar artifacts" as you say, you should examine your settings and see what effect changing settings has. Before reporting that something has "horrible aliasing", I would suggest that you spend some time exploring and conferring with people before making such accusations. I think you will also come to a better understanding of how the tools work.

  • So any clue when Tape Pro is being released? Did anyone figure out pricing? How is the beta working?

  • Also how does this compare to K7D or RE-1?

  • @espiegel123 said:

    @jolico said:

    @espiegel123 said:
    @jolico : I am surprised to hear you you say that you haven't over-critical of TB. You wrote earlier in this thread that the TB offering has "...horrible aliasing polluting your tracks." That sounds pretty critical, and it has been explained that this isn't true. The TB app isn't aliasing.

    And the (realistic) sound you attribute to aliasing can be mitigated by adjusting the parameters.

    Well I won’t be using any of the presets anymore, but I do still use all of the TB apps. Even the older ones inside AEMS.

    FYI, the non-tape FX also give similar artifacts if you’re not careful. Even the EQ’s “circuit drive” at higher levels and the Enhancer.

    With any DSP app -- even if it has great anti-aliasing -- you can probably create really ugly artifacts if you don't set levels reasonably. Any time you run into "similar artifacts" as you say, you should examine your settings and see what effect changing settings has. Before reporting that something has "horrible aliasing", I would suggest that you spend some time exploring and conferring with people before making such accusations. I think you will also come to a better understanding of how the tools work.

    👍

    I’m not accusing anyone.

    But if I was: If the fruit has worms inside, I should just accept it as extra protein and keep it to myself, because in the good old days it had worms and that is the key ingredient that makes it taste like the real thing?
    What if I don’t want the protein?
    What if I’m vegan?

    It’s actually funny that the barrage started when I posted pictures of Drambo’s “aliasing” in another thread and got worse when I mentioned this one.
    All other mentions of “aliasing” in other apps didn’t bother anyone.

  • edited September 2020

    @espiegel123 said:

    @jolico said:

    @espiegel123 said:
    @jolico : I am surprised to hear you you say that you haven't over-critical of TB. You wrote earlier in this thread that the TB offering has "...horrible aliasing polluting your tracks." That sounds pretty critical, and it has been explained that this isn't true. The TB app isn't aliasing.

    And the (realistic) sound you attribute to aliasing can be mitigated by adjusting the parameters.

    Well I won’t be using any of the presets anymore, but I do still use all of the TB apps. Even the older ones inside AEMS.

    FYI, the non-tape FX also give similar artifacts if you’re not careful. Even the EQ’s “circuit drive” at higher levels and the Enhancer.

    With any DSP app -- even if it has great anti-aliasing -- you can probably create really ugly artifacts if you don't set levels reasonably. Any time you run into "similar artifacts" as you say, you should examine your settings and see what effect changing settings has. Before reporting that something has "horrible aliasing", I would suggest that you spend some time exploring and conferring with people before making such accusations. I think you will also come to a better understanding of how the tools work.

    @espiegel123 chill out calm down with the “shoulds and you would suggest” . Your not your usual self geeza. I really don’t know what your deep gripe is. @jolico we had some differences in the past but I really do not think you were being negative at all about the TB apps. Once again I say bring the peace and not argue over Tape sims which are not real Studers etc anyway . Jeeez

  • @jolico: the reason that people commented on your Drambo and ToneBoosters pictures/comments was that these were cases where people were confident enough in the developers engineering skills to know that there was more than meets the eye/ear. I think several of us have tried to mention to you that it is generally true that it is worthwhile to do some experimentation when you see what look like artifacts to understand what is going on rather than put them out there with no comment.

    I don't question your intentions, but I think some of your posts leave false impressions.

  • @jolico said:
    ☮️

    You have an audio clip of that? 🤣

  • @Lil_Stu07 said:

    @jolico said:
    ☮️

    You have an audio clip of that? 🤣

    Of course.

  • @jolico said:

    @Lil_Stu07 said:

    @jolico said:
    ☮️

    You have an audio clip of that? 🤣

    Of course.

    Holy shit! I thought you were bsing! Lol. That's awesome!

  • @wim said:

    @king_picadillo said:
    Me listening to the pros on this thread discussing heady, technical info when I only go off of “sounds good to me” method:

    The “sounds good to me” method is the only true pro method.

    This. When it comes to music anyway.

  • @Lil_Stu07 said:

    @jolico said:

    @Lil_Stu07 said:

    @jolico said:
    ☮️

    You have an audio clip of that? 🤣

    Of course.

    Holy shit! I thought you were bsing! Lol. That's awesome!

    Some more fun ones: https://twistedsifter.com/2013/01/hidden-images-embedded-into-songs-spectrographs/

  • @jolico said:
    Will there ever be an update with a less accurate (cleaner) sound?

    Yes, and it is available as of today!

    There are two important changes:

    • Major reduction in bias-induced intermod distortion and aliasing for the 'normal' mode
    • Addition of a new High Quality (HQ) mode with even higher upsampling and aliasing reduction filters for purists :-)
  • Look at that!

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