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  • For the curious

    Toneboosters Compressor in Auria. Notice the side chain top right. 😎

    Toneboosters Compressor n Cubasis. No side chain 😩

    Audio damage pump house in Cubasis. Notice the pattern of 1-2-3-2 pink square on the grid to the left. See the middle graph the audio being ducked to the pattern 1-2-3-2.

  • Drambo sequencer module.

  • Another production technique I've never managed to figure out or use successfully, so I just work around it. :)

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  • Never really used it much with the exception of getting bass drum and low toms to cut through any bass register instruments in a mix. More often than not though, I’ll notch the bass first to see if that helps, as I’d far rather slice out some room in a mix than duck the volume.

    Another thing I’ll do quite often is automate the cutoff of a filter to compensate for anything being brought into a mix that has an overlap with something else.

  • Use an envelope not a compressor. Like flux mini, or drawing automation

  • @dendy said:
    sidechaining is interesting when used as ceeative tool... for example put compressor to pad, set attack/decay of compresor cose to zero and feed it's sidechain from hihats track.. turn volume on hihats to zero so you don't hear them they are just sidechainin pad... add delay to the taste after compressor, play with hihat amp attack/decay - you can get very interesting rhytmical patterns on pad...

    Adding to @dendy here, sometimes I create a channel with a sine wave for rhythmic side-chain that’s always muted and I use it to lay out the ducking patterns. Controlling the amp envelope on the sine wave drastically changes the results as well.

    Figure out why you want side-chaining first. As a production tool ie for rhythm and groove? Or as a mixing technique to solve frequency clash problems?

  • edited September 2023

    @sigma79 said:
    Drambo sequencer module.

    I didnt need this ( with multiout )

    but works if the regular Drambo sequencer is used.

    You can use the module sequencer ( or reg sequencer if multiput ) to gate an envelope to maybe an EQ.

    Export midi from drums.

    Subtract midi. Shift midi back.

    Or just use the envelope 16 bar without midi.

  • All interesting viewpoints here, nice!
    For sidechain release settings (which I had issues with in the past) there are timetable charts per notelength and tempo. But now I prefer to look at the gain reduction to hit zero again when I want the compressor to start working again on time.
    Sidechaining needs a fast attack, but with subs this can cause clicks (best to solo that track to hear it). Some compressors deal with this better than others, but setting a slightly slower attack can fix these common clicks in sub lows.
    When much dynamics need some taming and ducking, I use serial compression. The first comp to level things out, followed by the side-chain comp.
    I like to side-chain hihats group to the main kick at times, but in this case I prefer Flux mini 2 with lower mix settings while optionally adding a reverb before Flux. However I’m not able to set up Flux to initiate at the start of each kick, instead it just follows the tempo as on every 4th. Even when using the side-chain option, one shot or re-trigger and midi enabled (cubasis). So if anyone can help with this, that would be awesome. Honestly, I love Flux in general ❤️ It is pretty insane…
    Using fab filter pr Q dynamic side-chain options is a good and visual tool that I use to get a tad better control over clashing frequencies. I use this mostly within groups m/s.
    My main comp for ducking things is fabs pro C and for more serial work I like racking Mixbox.
    I would love to understand smoov and schlap in more detail, they seem to sit in more unique territory.
    Ducking apps like Pumphouse imo are not really side-chaining options unless the patterns exactly match the source for side-chaining. But they are great at what they do for sure.
    Fabs Pro mb can setup a band for side-chaining to another specific band like toms or lower freq kicks and subs. It has more comp options as expand for ex.
    So many apps for a kind of same purpose make my head spin at times but they all are worth exploring.

  • @Bob said:
    All interesting viewpoints here, nice!
    For sidechain release settings (which I had issues with in the past) there are timetable charts per notelength and tempo. But now I prefer to look at the gain reduction to hit zero again when I want the compressor to start working again on time.

    Another advantage of using flux mini, the timing is in tempo, not time

  • Hi! Using Koala Sampler here to get a side-chained delay, in loopy pro ;)
    However, I hope that sidechain will be possible soon in Loopy Pro...

  • is there a auv3 eq that does sidechain?
    i would put it on the bass channel an feed the midi from the kickdrum to it, triggering a hipass, so everytime the kick hits, the bass gets hipassed at about 500hz.

  • @EnvelopeFollower said:
    is there a auv3 eq that does sidechain?
    i would put it on the bass channel an feed the midi from the kickdrum to it, triggering a hipass, so everytime the kick hits, the bass gets hipassed at about 500hz.

    That would be simple to do with FAC Envolver with any EQ that exposes AUv3 parameters. Just load it as an FX and feed the kick drum to it. Then take the midi out from Envolver and use it to duck the level parameter for that band.

    (fits your forum handle too)

  • @ld57 said:
    Hi! Using Koala Sampler here to get a side-chained delay, in loopy pro ;)
    However, I hope that sidechain will be possible soon in Loopy Pro...

    Audio damage Pumphouse was designed to do a side chain effect for host without side chain fonction. It work so good that I still use it even if Cubasis now as side chain now.

  • @EnvelopeFollower said:
    is there a auv3 eq that does sidechain?

    TB EQ Pro – AUv3 plugin certainly does support sidechain (and standalone app does not – see details in the manual).

  • How do I know which plugins have parameters exposed?

  • @chaocrator said:

    @EnvelopeFollower said:
    is there a auv3 eq that does sidechain?

    TB EQ Pro – AUv3 plugin certainly does support sidechain (and standalone app does not – see details in the manual).

    Would this work on Loopy Pro? Or does this fall into (gonna take a stab here... Only read bits about it, don't fully understand) the multi i/o options that aren't available in loopy yet?

  • Audio damage Pumphouse was designed to do a side chain effect for host without side chain fonction. It work so good that I still use it even if Cubasis now as side chain now.

    Great plugin! But it would not work to side chain a delay. The purpose of delay side chain is to duck the 1st echo of the delay when your voice or guitar plays, to avoid too much delay at the start and muddiness.
    Pumphouse works for kicks or when the sidechain follows a tempo.

  • wimwim
    edited May 5

    @PapaBPoppin said:
    How do I know which plugins have parameters exposed?

    For plugins that you don't own? That's rarely called out in apps' descriptions. Best to ask here about any plugins you're considering buying.

    For ones you own, you need to go through the parameter automatization system of the host that you use. Some, such as Cubasis, don't make that easy in that they don't list parameters until you automate them. In Cubasis you turn on automation recording, then tweak a control, and if it has a parameter then an automation lane will be opened up for it. AUM and Loopy Pro list all the parameters.

  • @wim said:

    @PapaBPoppin said:
    How do I know which plugins have parameters exposed?

    For plugins that you don't own? That's rarely called out in apps' descriptions. Best to ask here about any plugins you're considering buying.

    For ones you own, you need to go through the parameter automatization system of the host that you use. Some, such as Cubasis, don't make that easy in that they don't list parameters until you automate them. In Cubasis you turn on automation recording, then tweak a control, and if it has a parameter then an automation lane will be opened up for it. AUM and Loopy Pro list all the parameters.

    Dope thanks! Thru this and Eds Loopy Pro Exposed Perimeter Midi Mapping tut on YT, I finally understand how to get that kick compressor ducking in Loopy (via Enveloper and TBs MBC)!! Just ran a quick test!!

    Bus A gets Enveloper, Bus B gets MBC. Enveloper controls Makeup in MBC

    Send kick color to A, anything I want to duck to B, and bobs your (my?) fking uncle!

    "Hello Principal Skinner! Hello Super Nintendo Chalmers! I'm learnding!"

  • @PapaBPoppin said:

    @wim said:

    @PapaBPoppin said:
    How do I know which plugins have parameters exposed?

    For plugins that you don't own? That's rarely called out in apps' descriptions. Best to ask here about any plugins you're considering buying.

    For ones you own, you need to go through the parameter automatization system of the host that you use. Some, such as Cubasis, don't make that easy in that they don't list parameters until you automate them. In Cubasis you turn on automation recording, then tweak a control, and if it has a parameter then an automation lane will be opened up for it. AUM and Loopy Pro list all the parameters.

    Dope thanks! Thru this and Eds Loopy Pro Exposed Perimeter Midi Mapping tut on YT, I finally understand how to get that kick compressor ducking in Loopy (via Enveloper and TBs MBC)!! Just ran a quick test!!

    Bus A gets Enveloper, Bus B gets MBC. Enveloper controls Makeup in MBC

    Send kick color to A, anything I want to duck to B, and bobs your (my?) fking uncle!

    "Hello Principal Skinner! Hello Super Nintendo Chalmers! I'm learnding!"

    Great! I'm glad to hear that.

    I feel like using an envelope follower to send CC's to whatever damn parameter you want is so much more flexible than side-chaining. It's probably the first production hack I learned way back almost before the turn of the century with Fruity Loops Peak Controller plugin.

  • @PapaBPoppin said:

    @chaocrator said:

    @EnvelopeFollower said:
    is there a auv3 eq that does sidechain?

    TB EQ Pro – AUv3 plugin certainly does support sidechain (and standalone app does not – see details in the manual).

    Would this work on Loopy Pro? Or does this fall into (gonna take a stab here... Only read bits about it, don't fully understand) the multi i/o options that aren't available in loopy yet?

    i'm not a Loopy Pro user, so i have no idea about that

  • Just to add to the knowledge here. I learnt recently about using fabfilter’s pro g for sidechaining and ducking purposes. It has a ducking setting in the settings. Very cool. Very easy to use.

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