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I really like their strategy to release new app once a day, reverb is very nice actually, lovely decay time for low and high frequency😊
But what I really don’t understand is this↙️
Being a talented dsp developer is no excuse for being a dick. Sensitive ego much?
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My favourite part...
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A little something in return for your apps! Enjoy your day off and your champagne
This whole spat is really a pity, because he makes good apps and it would be great if everyone could get along etc, but when a dev makes a really huge mistake like with the filter interface really they should just admit it and fix it, or apologise that they are unable to, and the whole thing would be resolved quickly. Would be good if there was a way to patch this up, it's a small community and it's good to find harmony among devs and users.
we are not forced to buy his stuff.... whats the fuzz
Agreed.
No one is forced to do anything.
I personally found his update on his website quite amusing.
This dev’s apps are horrible. And isn’t he repackaging the Apple AUs to use system wide? Seems like an asshole move, even if theyre only making 70 cents a pop.
I’ll gladly support an asshole if the work he does is top class. In this case, it’s not.
LMAO! Which forum is he talking about??
Edit: oh he’s talking about this forum. 😂😂😂😂. You guys are horrible. Why y’all do the man like that.
Its a hyperlink to AB lol
Guys, you are burying the lede here: we have awards now! BRB, buying a new tuxedo.
Funning aside, the GUIs really are bad. I was playing around with the two SPECTRO apps that are currently in beta and I like what I hear. However, the GUI makes it impossible to select any specific frequency band or set it to any specific value,not even with a pencil. I don’t see why criticism like that would be perceived as hostile 🤯
Well, they were there but not accessible afaik. Making them accessible and putting them in a nice wrapper seems worth a few pennies.
Agree on the horribleness of the UI.
I'm only a humble UX designer, but his UIs aren't just bad they're broken.For example, I can't see the filter types when I use the menu on his filter app.
It's a shame because they sound really good, but they're such a pain to use that I just lose the will to live.
He reads us.
I'm so honored.
I've bought every single app made by Jens to show him my support, but since he likes more the "querelle" and drink the "champagne" making everyone fool, from today I can live without buying his apps.
Now I'm sitting on my chair in my office waiting for two clients, reading AB forum in the meantime. If they will dare to criticize my job and the decisions made during the trial, or if the want just suggest or discuss about something, I will say that they are only WANNABE LAYERS and tat I will continue to be the worst lawyer in Italy sending my money to an island in the Caribics:-)
After that I will get cover.
Since Jens you read us with so much interest, and obviously you are a billionaire with money at the Cayman, send me PM with some free codes for your next upcoming apps since I’m beta testing them and I love them so much ❤️
Good apps or not, this kind of 12year old-esque whining is just pathetic. I wont buy any of them.
His UI’s are awful btw.
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I’m sure there are other devs that have similar views about us, but this dude has no filter. (Except for the filter apps)
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Just bought this as I really need another reverb to compliment the 9 that i already own...
The UI is really crap on this one too! How he managed to implement a scroll bar for an app with only 7 parameters is genius! Gonna buy all his stuff now.
He seems like he's in a lot of pain. I could never look at somebody who appears to feel disenfranchised, and just be like "How rude!" It's fair to expect some level of professionalism from a developer, it's fair to expect bug fixes.
But, in reality? Programming is very difficult. Not everyone has an equal amount of energy for programming. I can hardly imagine releasing a paid convolution reverb app, and then finding out that it might take me months to figure out how to correct the DSP spikes. It would be hard to resist the urge to take a hiatus and spend some time focusing on simpler apps.
But I think he also just feels like everyone is against him. When you've spent all day talking to yourself saying "Come on, think, you can do this. Okay, so...this loop calls this function and..." and there's not a single person in your real life who ever says "You can do this!" ever, you just want to feel like you're achieving something. If his friends and family don't treat him as the owner of a software company, he won't have the confidence to perform the responsibilities of a business owner. Not at first, anyway. But like he said, he's still young. Haha...well...he kind of said that.
I don't think all of the code needs to be scrapped, and I do like the aesthetic aspects of his UI design. The resizable UI could be kept as an optional accessibility feature. It's not anyone's responsibility to make him feel less threatened, but come on. "This dev's apps are horrible" Okay, but are the filters in JAX Collection horrible? Nobody would be so bothered by the developer's stubborn refusal to respond to criticism if his apps had no redeeming qualities.
I would just post a list of requested changes and ask him not to take it personally. I don't care if he's been good or bad or this or that, I just want to see some UI updates.
Champagne Querelle: band name or album title?
I think it’s a dance...
@Skyblazer: I agree that one shouldn’t attack people on a personal level but I don’t think anyone here did that. The reaction to Jens’ apps was pretty similar to the Fundamental app currently. Excellent sound, non-functional / badly designed user interface. Pointing issues like that out is actually helpful, I think, as many users will simply leave a bad review and be done with it.
I agree @Philandering_Bastard though sometimes people could be a bit more careful with the tone they use, remembering that devs put a lot of work into what they do, and will sometimes be sensitive to getting their work trashed in public.
Direct quote from the developer’s website (and yes, he is talking about us!) ;-)
“This forum, kind of frustrated old-men rambling space, was a sort of enemy from the first day of our releases and we will continue to ignore it actively. While we have got a quite solid customer base and many active supporters in the meantime, some members inside this forum (obviously always the same) will not end their hating triads against us and tell everyone not to buy anything from us. They most likely will skip into any thread about us and our releases and rumble around. But they initially actually loaded ANY of our free plugins and apps released like burned.
And to these special ppl: 'We still do not love you, too.' And please, do not purchase anything from us!”
Whatever your thoughts on crticism or whether or not you like the apps, this isn’t exactly a healthy attitude.
I am all for Developers trying new things. I wish Jens luck and hope he iterates and refines to the point that he succeeds in his vision. Auv3s are the perfect place for a UI playground for new ideas.
But As of today, he hasn’t improved on the issues he states he’s tried to fix. In my very humble opinion for what that’s worth. ;-)
But there could have been a very valuable (to Jens) process had he valued any of his customer’s feedback. Whether valid (to him) or not.
It could just be that he is way ahead of us all and we’re just too slow on the uptake. (I doubt it though :-)
So. If you are reading this Jens...
I like your passion. I like the fact you’re trying something different. I think you’ve got a way to go before your realise your vision. I don’t think the execution matches the hype.
But for the benefit of your company, your livelihood and your wellbeing, please think about the way you’re communicating. Be confident enough in your vision to be able to accept criticism, even when you feel it’s undeserved. Stop with all the petulant rants.
Rather than spit your dummy, try and think why your UIs are getting criticism. Maybe explain your ideas better. Maybe take on board the odd bit of feedback.
But if you keep ranting at your customers and insulting them in every post on your website and every app description, you’re in danger of alienating them all.
@Philandering_Bastard I agree that pointing issues like that out is actually helpful, but Jens made a post poking fun at the AudioBus forum, and it's natural that people want to vent their frustration in response. It's natural, but...I don't see how making jokes or saying "i agree, horrible apps" contributes in any productive way, to the goal of convincing a sensitive app developer to not take criticism of his apps so personally...in order to get him to fix bugs or change his approach to UI design.
Maybe we could try to outline what exactly we would like to see changed, so that if he decides to change his tune, he'll have a clear path to "being respected by the AudioBus forum",
and if he'd still rather reduce the narrative to "Hero vs. Arch Enemy" after we make our good intentions clear, then so be it.
If you thought I was just saying "Awww, be nice to him!" then...that wasn't my point. The criticism of Fundamental is also valid, but it's a slightly different situation, and if anything, I worry that we were too passive with SonicLab, because they trusted that anybody who teams up with an artist/influencer to make something science-y, surely must be willing to "finish" their work.
@klownshed Very well said.
soup nazi of plugins... Had it with his horrible Gui , deleted, moving on (bit of fuzzy exit)
If you're selling stuff for money then criticism comes with the territory. I don't know that a developer is really any different from someone who starts a restaurant, or opens a shop, or runs a factory selling widgets.
I will cut developers on IOS some slack as a lot of audio products are hobby projects, they don't make a lot of money and they're cheap. But I think he's really squandered any good will at this point.
If anyone thinks this dev has been harshly criticized here, they haven't seen some of the things he said to other devs here before he had his account removed (perhaps at his own request). He got very aggressive on AB Forum with a very well-known developer of excellent AUs who was trying to provide him with technical information.
Before that, the App Store description for the JAF Collection accused AUM of having nonsensical logic for displaying AU parameters -- which the dev posted without actually checking with Jonatan (AUM's developer) to understand the criteria -- when the issue was the dev's unfamiliarity. He posted that in the app store description when people reported to him that parameters weren't showing up in AUM.
He has sometimes replied very graciously to bug reports and sometimes not so much. Some of his apps are great and some are unfinished in problematic ways (like Convolutor Pro which he abandoned because it wasn't selling enough copies).
The soup nazi did actually make excellent soup tho.