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I spent the weekend with ZenBeats 2.0! From beginner to making a beat + review
Part 1 ⬇️ | Store + Interface
Part 2 ⬇️ | Zen-Core 1 + Drums
Part 3 ⬇️ | Making my first beat + Review
Thanks for checking it out! Hope you enjoy.
Comments
Nice job, man. Diving in now, but I really appreciate the table of contents!
Ditto on all counts!
Thanks @ipadbeatmaking, very helpful.
I thought ZC-1 was the new super synth but it actually looks more like a ROMpler with many classic Roland sounds?
So, where do we get the 16 pad drum kits?
ZC-1 is exactly what you say - but also a strong hint of promise. It delivers the ZenCore engine on iOS, which over the last year or so has been delivered in hardware, then as software and just now Zenology Pro on Windows/Mac with full editing and “personality” add-ons (JP8, JX8P, etc). ZC-1 has a bank import function, though I have no means to test this and I haven’t yet seen it demoed. I’d be fairly optimistic that the near future will bring at least standard content packs and maybe more editing and the JP8 etc.
I think the MFX side of ZC-1 do actually help you in certain ways sculpt the sounds so go some way to opening up the synth. They seem to be a halfway house between effects and synth control. They are only available under ZC-1 so I assume they are part of the Zen Core engine. @MatthewAtZenbeats can you confirm? Is ZC-1 a ROMpler or Synth?
It's not rompler, inside is true Zenology synth engine, you just don't have access to all parameters, just to fraction ..
I'm curious if it is possible to upload custom patches into Zenbeats ZC-1 .. Because in case you have Roland Cloud subscription, you can make sounds on your desktop inside full Zenology App and then upload those sounds into MC707 or MC101 - so in theory, it should be possible also into ZC-1 because it's 1:1 same synth engine like in all ZenCore based sw/hw synths ...
At the end, desktop verzion of Zenbeats contains full zenology plugin, so there is really no reason why iOS version should be just rompler. It's same synth engine inside.
Btw. correct me if i'm wrong, but i think same subset of parameters which are editable in ZC-1 inside ZenBeats, is editable in MC101, isn't it ? It makes sense, because desktop version of ZB is, compared to iOS version, very similiar product downsizing like MC707 is when compared to MC101.
I was curious about MFX effects too. They’re actually really good and I was wondering if they are exclusive to Zen core (ZC-1) cos they’d be great as standalone. The tape delay, for instance is really flexible and better than the stock delay. Reading about Zen core I believe the MFX are not audio processing effects but rather bound to the zen core synthesis subsystem.
Maybe they could be exposed to ZB tracks somehow... there’s great stuff there, amp simulators, delays,all kind of mods... with extended parameters. But it seems unlikely.
Anyone sussed out how the MFX Loopers work yet ?
I just repeatedly played notes on the virtual keyboard then pressed the loop button. Then slowed down length and speed. Unsure of the next step after that 😅
I'm presuming you can record whatever sound comes from that short loop into the time line?
Excellent series and perfect timing as I’ve only had Zenbeats for a couple of days. I could easily see this becoming my main DAW, especially given its compatibility across platforms and the ease with which you can export stems.
My only reservation is an issue you raised: it uses a lot of memory. I thought it was a problem with a plugin or something else on the iPad. Hopefully future releases will be more memory efficient. BTW, processor demand seems relatively light.
Thanks!
It almost seems that way but i cant confirm or deny. I'm guessing its presets powered by the Zencore 1 engine made in something like zenology pro, but that's a far reaching guess.
http://www.ipadbeatmaking.com
i think you might be spot on! Please enlighten us @MatthewAtZenbeats
wow @ipadbeatmaking , ace thank you. esp like the part 3 for us n00bs
Thank you!
Im wondering if ZenBeats is committing the entire app and its internal plugins to the iOS device memory (SampleVerse, ZenCore-1, etc) before you even load them. Maybe @MatthewAtZenbeats can enlighten us.
You're welcome! Thank you for taking the time to check them out, I hope its enjoyable and helpful!
NS2 is the perfect DAW, it just doesn't have audio tracks 😁😁
I wonder of one could make synth sounds in the MC-707 and use them in ZC-1?
It appears that the idea is for Roland ZenCore 1 Engine to be compatible across hardware/software & DAW so i think this is highly likely to be possible if MC-707 is based on Zen-Core https://www.roland.com/us/promos/zen-core/
It is the idea and for all users to share patches across all the different formats, but at the moment it is not possible to export from the MC-707, possibly because you can use your own samples as custom oscillators along with a few other technical differences, but at some point I hope they merge.
And for anyone attempting to export presets from the free trial of Zenology Pro to Roland hardware - it won't work since Roland disabled saving/exporting.
Anyone tried rendering a mix? Why does it take so long for a few tracks? Mine stuck at first bar of rendering for like 20 minutes 😳
Also is there a way to load a project faster? Perhaps by disabling the pictures in the background?
That’s not a very good trial, how are you supposed to test to see if it’s working.
That’s not the case for me. I’m able to ‘write’ and export from there for either hardware or software. I assume I’m also on the trial mode. I did have a error on the internal hard drive once & used the external drive instead and it worked fine. This is in the Audio Unit of Zenology inside of ZenBeats. What are you seeing when u export?
Ah, I wasn't clear earlier - it's the desktop version that's free for 30 days, but they removed save/export. It uses the .exz or .fzi format, not .sdv or .svz for the MC-707/101. But I have no earthly idea if it matters. It's confusing. Their website is a labyrinth.
Great YT channel btw! Been watching for a while.
Yes I’m using a MacBook and I’m able to export them as .svz. I’m using Zenology inside of ZenBeats as an audio Unit (on desktop) I’m starting from a blank patch though, so maybe that’s the difference? Idk but when I hit ‘write’ i then hit ‘write’ again the next screen and then ‘export’ it asks me which version (hardware or software) and the destination and I’m done. Please let me know what you’re experiencing, hopefully you’ll be able to get some exports done in the demo also
Yes their website, and info overall is a labyrinth and a bit of a loop. I find myself finding the same things over and over with no new info.
Thanks so much! I appreciate that.
I think you're starting to shed some light on the situation here!
I'm using Zenology Pro plugin inside of another DAW on Windows. I don't have Zenbeats installed, or the 'regular' Zenology, or even Zenology Lite installed.
Did you just install Zenbeats on your Mac, and the Zenology AU was installed with it?
I saw in your video where you said you have the Zenbeats Ultimate Unlock.
I downloaded Zenology Pro once I signed up for the Roland Cloud, and downloaded the Cloud Manager.
https://www.roland.com/us/promos/about_roland_cloud/membership/
No. I went and joined Roland cloud and downloaded it. All I have installed is Zenology Pro I believe. It was the only one I could find in the Roland cloud. I’m using ZenBeats just for continuity but I’m guessing DAW shouldn’t matter, since it’s an Audio Unit or in your case a VST3 probably. but I could be wrong.
Yes. Same here.
Hey thanks. I'm still running aimlessly in the labyrinth. I figured out how to export .svz files from Zenology Pro, so I was incorrect about that. It's just single presets, not banks?
Downloaded Zenbeats Lite, going to watch your videos in their entirety. Thanks again for your help. I'll let you get back to it.
Glad you've got it sorted! So far just single presets is all I've tried, Im not sure if you can export entire banks, doesn't look promising so far though.
You're welcome! I hope they help you get rolling in Zenbeats. Please share whatever new things you discover with the Zens (ZC1, Zenology Pro, ZenBeats)
Thanks for letting us know about exporting tones @ipadbeatmaking and @Sequencer1 hopefully you’ll get banks to export. I haven’t had time to have a go yet with it, I’m just picking up hints and tips from demo’s at the moment.
Interesting. How did you manage to export single patches? I can only export whole banks and I learned my way from the Zenology manual
It's installed along the plugin.
So, I load a patch that I want to export, then I hit the write button in the Zenology Pro main window. In the manager window I select my user bank and a slot in that bank and hit the write button at the top. When I have all patches to export stored in that user bank I hit the export button underneath the bank list, choose Hardware/ZC1 and export the whole bank:
But I have another problem. I can import the exported bank and I have all the patches inside that I expected, but then only the patches from the imported bank are available. After the SVZ import a function 'Generate Presets From SVZ' appears in the menu, but after using it ZC1 has switched back to the standard bank and the patches from the imported bank haven't been imported.
I'm on Roland Cloud Core in the Ultimate trial and I'm doing the import/export with Zenology Pro in Zenbeats on my Mac.