Atom controller poll

Korakios

Well, here it goes , will include only controllers that are meant for clip launching

Korakios

It seems my first entriy Lanchpad (original) is not selectable.
@Michael ? Is there a limit to the poll?

Edit , first launchpad and mini share the same midi specs so you can choose the mini
Edit2 : Well first Launchpad gen seems to be incompatible with iOS so don't bother
Edit3 : No one noticed there is no launchpad mk3 on the market (only pro&mini)

McD

@echoopera is my mentor in these areas and can provide tips and tools.

On the very High End, the Akai Force released a new update for controlling external MIDI
hardware and import/export with Ableton.

So, in for the most capable controller/hardware unit: Akai Force. Yeah baby.

Michael

@Korakios said:
It seems my first entriy Lanchpad (original) is not selectable.
@Michael ? Is there a limit to the poll?

Edit , first launchpad and mini share the same midi specs so you can choose the mini

Not as far as I know. The poll software is pretty crappy though so who knows.

ExAsperis99

Nice job, thank you for doing this @Korakios. But maybe this is a little bit premature? Korg NanoKontrol and NanoStudio have clip launching capabilities, as do the various LaunchKeys? Not to mention the LaunchControl XL and several Arturia rigs?

reasOne

i selected other as i hope it works with circuit !

hypnopad

@Korakios I have the original Launchpad and it has never been compatible with iOS. I assume that’s why it’s not in the poll.

Korakios

@ExAsperis99 said:
Nice job, thank you for doing this @Korakios. But maybe this is a little bit premature? Korg NanoKontrol and NanoStudio have clip launching capabilities, as do the various LaunchKeys? Not to mention the LaunchControl XL and several Arturia rigs?

Thanks ! Listing all midi controllers is impossible, so I included dedicated ones .
The Korgs seem not to be RGB so I guess it would be simple to create a map , launchkeys and launchcontrol share same mapping from launchpads
Which Arturia do you have in mind ?

Korakios

@hypnopad said:
@Korakios I have the original Launchpad and it has never been compatible with iOS. I assume that’s why it’s not in the poll.

It was a glitch in poll form

ExAsperis99

I think people like the Beatstep? I just thought it might be helpful to canvass the forums to get a list before making the poll?

Korakios

@ExAsperis99 said:
I think people like the Beatstep? I just thought it might be helpful to canvass the forums to get a list before making the poll?

No time , everyone will suggest their controller that have pads so I’ll have to write them down .
I have an mpc one but would never use it .If I wanted a clip launcher I’d buy one of the listed , but anyone feel free to make a second poll

Also I think I misunderstood Atoms integration. I hope it would take advantage of RGB colors and blinking for actions other start/stop (recording ,arm , on list to play or stop, empty clip etc...)

Lil_Stu07

Akai Pro LPD8
Akai Pro MPD218/226/232
Akai Pro MPK Mini (Pads)

All can be used as clip launchers.

Sergiu

+1 > @Lil_Stu07 said:

Akai Pro LPD8
Akai Pro MPD218/226/232
Akai Pro MPK Mini (Pads)

All can be used as clip launchers.

blueveek

@Korakios said:
No time , everyone will suggest their controller that have pads so I’ll have to write them down .
I have an mpc one but would never use it .If I wanted a clip launcher I’d buy one of the listed , but anyone feel free to make a second poll

Thanks so much for making this poll, this is a fantastic bit of data for me (and perhaps other devs). It’s exactly what I need.

A bit or extra info for everyone: certain controllers have deeper integration with Ableton than others, e.g. have clips automatically light up pads, blink when launched etc. This means that they’re programmable - and can have similar integration with Atom. Other controllers just send MIDI and don’t receive Push-like messages, so Atom can’t communicate with them bidirectionally. In those cases, you’ll need to MIDI map things yourself and the controllers won’t react to changes you make in Atom (eg. creating a new instance).

A good example of a non-programmable controller: AKAI MPK Mini Mk 3. You’ll have to do your own MIDI mappings.

A good example of a Ableton Push-like programmable controller: Launchpad X. Atom automatically detects and programs it on the fly, to it so you don’t have to setup anything.

Also I think I misunderstood Atoms integration. I hope it would take advantage of RGB colors and blinking for actions other start/stop (recording ,arm , on list to play or stop, empty clip etc...)

You haven’t misunderstood

Atom 2 will act like Ableton. Programmable controllers that are able to integrate with Live will think they’re connected to Live: that means clips automatically light up pads with the correct color, can be launched/stopped, pads blink and so on. I hope I can add support for as many as possible in the long term, but will focus on a few popular ones to start. Now, there’s a limit for how deep the integration can realistically be, I’m sure you folks will let me know what’s missing after the initial release.

Model10000

Maybe a stretch, but would be cool if a Push worked with it. Otherwise, here's a vote for a Padkontrol Studio.

ExAsperis99

@blueveek said:

A good example of a Ableton Push-like programmable controller: Launchpad X. Atom automatically detects and programs it on the fly, to it so you don’t have to setup anything.

I think you’re going to sell several Launchpad X; maybe you should set up a connection with Novation?

Vlad11

Launch Control XL, but if atom 2 is going to be half the hype on this forum I will have to buy a launch pad.

Then finally Drambo adding auv3 support with atom2 and launch pad.... well.... lets put it this way....ableton live bye bye.

bleep

@blueveek said:
Atom 2 will act like Ableton. Programmable controllers that are able to integrate with Live will think they’re connected to Live: that means clips automatically light up pads with the correct color, can be launched/stopped, pads blink and so on.

Very interesting to see that you aim for such a tight integration. The price of Atom 2 just went from $ to $$$, but that's ok :-)

My vote would be for the Launchpads, Launchcontrol XL, Korg Nanokontrol studio and Akai mini mpk2.

tk32

Suddenly the Launchpad X looks much more appealing. As a non-Ableton user It wasn't on my radar before this.

Then again, I hear the Launchpads work quite well with Bitwig nowadays too.

skrat

@blueveek said:

@Korakios said:
No time , everyone will suggest their controller that have pads so I’ll have to write them down .
I have an mpc one but would never use it .If I wanted a clip launcher I’d buy one of the listed , but anyone feel free to make a second poll

Thanks so much for making this poll, this is a fantastic bit of data for me (and perhaps other devs). It’s exactly what I need.

A bit or extra info for everyone: certain controllers have deeper integration with Ableton than others, e.g. have clips automatically light up pads, blink when launched etc. This means that they’re programmable - and can have similar integration with Atom. Other controllers just send MIDI and don’t receive Push-like messages, so Atom can’t communicate with them bidirectionally. In those cases, you’ll need to MIDI map things yourself and the controllers won’t react to changes you make in Atom (eg. creating a new instance).

A good example of a non-programmable controller: AKAI MPK Mini Mk 3. You’ll have to do your own MIDI mappings.

A good example of a Ableton Push-like programmable controller: Launchpad X. Atom automatically detects and programs it on the fly, to it so you don’t have to setup anything.

Also I think I misunderstood Atoms integration. I hope it would take advantage of RGB colors and blinking for actions other start/stop (recording ,arm , on list to play or stop, empty clip etc...)

You haven’t misunderstood

Atom 2 will act like Ableton. Programmable controllers that are able to integrate with Live will think they’re connected to Live: that means clips automatically light up pads with the correct color, can be launched/stopped, pads blink and so on. I hope I can add support for as many as possible in the long term, but will focus on a few popular ones to start. Now, there’s a limit for how deep the integration can realistically be, I’m sure you folks will let me know what’s missing after the initial release.

Awesome to hear you're going to add support for MIDI out for clip launching! I was just requesting that for LK Matrix, let the arm race begin!
Just one note to think about: maybe it'd be the best to allow to MIDI map outgoing messages manually, in case of non-supported controller. In the end, it's just MIDI.
Also, please consider integrating the most awesome feature that Ableton-enabled controllers have: Ability to navigate up/down, to reveal more scenes and ability to navigate left/right, to reveal more tracks (channels). In Ableton, it's marked by a red square, showing you the area you currently control within the Ableton clip grid.
This is THE way how to conveniently navigate the whole live set with MIDI controller. It's proven and works like magic, I'd love to finally be able to have this kind of integration within iOS.
Thanks a lot for great job you're doing!

blueveek

@skrat said:

Awesome to hear you're going to add support for MIDI out for clip launching! I was just requesting that for LK Matrix, let the arm race begin!
Just one note to think about: maybe it'd be the best to allow to MIDI map outgoing messages manually, in case of non-supported controller. In the end, it's just MIDI.

Yes, this stuff will show up as configurable parameters for unsupported controllers.

Also, please consider integrating the most awesome feature that Ableton-enabled controllers have: Ability to navigate up/down, to reveal more scenes and ability to navigate left/right, to reveal more tracks (channels). In Ableton, it's marked by a red square, showing you the area you currently control within the Ableton clip grid.
This is THE way how to conveniently navigate the whole live set with MIDI controller. It's proven and works like magic, I'd love to finally be able to have this kind of integration within iOS.

Yup, already in. Navigation arrows work etc.

Thanks a lot for great job you're doing!

\o/

skrat

BTW I own AKAI APC40 MK2 and it's IMO the best controller for live sets and production and I think it's quite overlooked. It has:
1. Clip launch grid (like e.g. Launchpad)
2. 8 channels, each with fader, endless LED knob (with 3 buttons to switch its function), solo, mute, record, A/B assignment, focus button, stop all for each of 8 channels + master fader.
4. 4-point arrows for navigation within tracks and scenes
3. Macros section with 8 LED endless knobs and optional 8 LED buttons that can be either programmed or has functions within Ableton like device navigation, bank switching, device lock, digging deeper into device chain etc...
5. Other basic stuff like play/stop, record, metronome, tempo knob, tempo tap, tempo nudge, headphones level,...

Basically, it has all the nice things Launchpad has but many more extra while it's only a little bit bigger. The endless LED knobs themselves are worth it. It's really a complete setup for live sets and very convenient production. If this has integration on iOS, it'd be incredible pleasure to play with.

skrat

@blueveek said:

@skrat said:

Yup, already in. Navigation arrows work etc.

So excited!

Korakios

@blueveek said:

@Korakios said:
No time , everyone will suggest their controller that have pads so I’ll have to write them down .
I have an mpc one but would never use it .If I wanted a clip launcher I’d buy one of the listed , but anyone feel free to make a second poll

Thanks so much for making this poll, this is a fantastic bit of data for me (and perhaps other devs). It’s exactly what I need.

A bit or extra info for everyone: certain controllers have deeper integration with Ableton than others, e.g. have clips automatically light up pads, blink when launched etc. This means that they’re programmable - and can have similar integration with Atom. Other controllers just send MIDI and don’t receive Push-like messages, so Atom can’t communicate with them bidirectionally. In those cases, you’ll need to MIDI map things yourself and the controllers won’t react to changes you make in Atom (eg. creating a new instance).

A good example of a non-programmable controller: AKAI MPK Mini Mk 3. You’ll have to do your own MIDI mappings.

A good example of a Ableton Push-like programmable controller: Launchpad X. Atom automatically detects and programs it on the fly, to it so you don’t have to setup anything.

Also I think I misunderstood Atoms integration. I hope it would take advantage of RGB colors and blinking for actions other start/stop (recording ,arm , on list to play or stop, empty clip etc...)

You haven’t misunderstood

Atom 2 will act like Ableton. Programmable controllers that are able to integrate with Live will think they’re connected to Live: that means clips automatically light up pads with the correct color, can be launched/stopped, pads blink and so on. I hope I can add support for as many as possible in the long term, but will focus on a few popular ones to start. Now, there’s a limit for how deep the integration can realistically be, I’m sure you folks will let me know what’s missing after the initial release.

I suppose a step sequencer mode would be nice, with support of step chords too

noob

@Korakios ? Its a pianoroll, u can easily use it in stepmode with chords.. or I miss smth?

Korakios

@noob said:
@Korakios ? Its a pianoroll, u can easily use it in stepmode with chords.. or I miss smth?

I meant support for the controller that has step seq capabilities

noob

Ok, Programmable controllers then.

Lil_Stu07

Akai Pro APC40/Mini/Key 25

Edit, just saw the above were on the list already 🤷🏾‍♂️

Akai Pro Midimix

Novation Launch Control XL

blueveek

So I’ve been looking at the Launchpad Pro Mk3 and it’s extremely overkill for anything I’d ever want to so. For the folks who voted for it, what are some of the features you’re going to use most often?

Svetlovska

@blueveek : Not a direct response to your question, but if it helps... I have a Launchpad Pro 2nd gen, which I use as a straightforward hardware clip launcher for Ableton, which made my first purchase, a Launchpad Mini original version redundant.

I hope therefore to re-employ the Mini with my IPad and Atom 2 in exactly the same way as I use the Pro with my MBP and Ableton - as an away from the computer sofa surfing alternative easy to use arrangement and clip launching tool, with your clips interactively displayed across the hardware grid in classic Launchpad style.

I have secondary hopes of one day finding an app or script for the Mini which lets it work as a grid sequencer instrument like the genius and late lamented Tenori-On style Koushion app:

https://forum.audiob.us/discussion/40860/koushion-a-challenge-to-devs-an-app-i-d-love-to-see-reimagined

Anything on top or different to either of these two key ambitions for my poor neglected Mini would just be gravy.

MrBlaschke

@blueveek said:
So I’ve been looking at the Launchpad Pro Mk3 and it’s extremely overkill for anything I’d ever want to so. For the folks who voted for it, what are some of the features you’re going to use most often?

One thing that comes to my mind spontaneously is dropping the LPPro sequencer tracks (each of the 4 individually) to an Atom part. As i actually build a Mozaic extension to support the DAW mode and manually edited screens on my LPPro MK3 i know how it works internally and am able to rebuild a lot of stuff (Trying to prevent Novation components as it is not iOS compatible). Also utilizing the Faders views (4 of them), the PANs, and so on - this is already working good atm.
There is no way dropping the sequencer patterns (including the calculation of the provided parameters like Mutation, Velocity,... - these 4 parameter buttons on the right side of the LPPro) - but having this inside of a sequencer (Atom) opens up a lot more use-cases as they can „speak directly“ and without that i have no way to „put“ anything with Mozaic scripting language as it is not connected to any other software like LK+ or something like that. As for now i did not get to the system to read out the internal sequencer views and i guess some functionality is hidden inside the magical Ableton Live code to fully achieve some functions.

This is just one thing. Another one is the Pattern- or Sequence-chains build up inside the LPPro sequencer.
Don’t know how to explain this and maybe it is better to fiddle things out in detail via PM as this might get quite complex.

Also it could be more defined if one actually knew how you have it integrated right now - like the Session view and stuff, what lights up and displays what. If i knew how you integrated it atm i could better describe more things. All in all its quite hard to imagine all possibilities and use-cases if one doesn’t know what is planned/fixed in by you atm. Me thinks.