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I posted my observation above at Blue Mangoo's FB page and got this helpful reply, hopefully they won't mind me putting it here. I never noticed before the two slider settings for minimum and maximum volume and velocity and adjusting them really helped my volume situation. I'm not hearing the click that jtrake is, maybe this will help that too.
From Blue Mangoo:
"Yes, that's a problem with iFretless. It's certainly a disadvantage but its done by design. We needed to keep iFretless quiet to allow room to have dynamics in the volume.
If tapping harder solves the problem then there is something you can do to improve the situation. Notice that the volume control has both a min and a max setting. If you want more volume, you can get it by raising the minimum volume up to the top. Of course, then you'll loose some of the
dynamic range because you won't be able to play softly with the minimum volume up. If that's still not loud enough, you can get even more volume by increasing the minimum velocity setting, but be careful with that one because if you max out the minimum velocity setting you completely loose all the dynamic expression and get the same balls-to-the-wall loud sample for every note. Perhaps a good compromise is to turn the minimum volume and minimum velocity both to about 90 or 100. Then turn the max velocity down to about 120 so that you wont always be getting those really hard edged samples. That way it will be louder but there will still be a little dynamic range and you won't be playing extra hard all the time."
I think I read somewhere that the clicking noise, though annoying, didn't come through in recordings but I could be wrong. Also I have bad hearing and had this issue also but like mentioned previously, you can adjust the velocity & volume sliders to compensate but it does get rid of some of the functionality of how it plays but this also allows you to force it to give that slap bass sound without having to beat your iPad or it lets you be more consistent with that sound by forcing it to
Something else that helps volume is turning up treble, hi mid, lo mid, and bass sliders.
The clicking is when iFretless suddenly has to load part of a sample that it hasn't cached. There are multiple samples for each note, which can take up more room than available memory, so they preload the start of every sample and load the rest of each sample as it gets used. Sometimes that causes a click. With more free memory, more samples are able to stay cached and the clicking is less frequent. Try not to have more apps in memory than you need, and play though what you want to record before you do a take, so as to load the samples you are going to be playing.
"I don't think you would get the expression from an external controller."
Agreed. I like the sounds in iFretless and sometimes I just want to trigger them via my velocity sensitive keyboard and keep my fingers off of the glass so to speak.
Not a deal breaker by any means as I find the GUI quite nice. It is a great controller as well.
Deleted iFretless and reinstalled it. Rebooted and reset (button+pwr button) my iPad 3 and started iFretless. Clicks are there all the time. To demonstrate the problem i recorded som notes in Cubasis and exported it to soundcloud.
This clicking started with the version 2 . I did not have this problem with the pre v2 version of iFretless.
Lots of very helpful information in tis thread, thanks guys!
@jTrake There are several reasons why it might click like that. I'll write a short list here but to really track it down we should discuss it on the Blue Mangoo Software forum (www.facebook.com/bluemangoo) to keep the audiobus forum on topic.
1) you are using an older device. iPad 1 clicks a little bit. We wish it didn't and we are always trying to make our code run faster but at the same time we are also adding new features that consume more processor resources. Older iOS devices weren't designed to carry a heavy multithreaded processing load like newer ones are.
2) you are running another app that is doing background audio that is either consuming a lot of resources or messing around with the audio buffer size.
I can't promise you that we can solve the problem, since it depends on what device you use and what software you are running together with iFretless but if we can find out more information perhaps we can improve the situation.
@jTrake the clicks you're getting there are something I've heard before. In fact, I can get my ipad 3 to click like that if I turn the tone down to zero and put the reverb up to ten. In order to avoid totally using up your entire CPU, the tone control and the equalizer controls pre-process all the samples for the instrument in memory instead of processing the final output. That was necessary to get all those eq controls to run on iPad 1 and iPhone 3GS. But with extreme settings it causes some of the samples to click. If you want the tone really low, you might try turning down the treble on the eq and turning the tone down, but don't turn the tone right down to zero.
I had the clicking on iPad 4 ios 6.0.1, even without other open apps.
Did not change any settings, except switching to upright bass.
really enjoying the expressive nature of this app. using it as a virtual MIDI controller is damn sweet and brings some new life to other AB compatible synths. great work @Blue_Mangoo.
@Blue_Mangoo. Thank you for your respons. Now I managed to get the clicks away. First I tried disabling the reverb but the clicks was still present. Then I set the tone control to max, no roll off. The clicks was gone, dragged the tone down and the lower it goes the more present the clicks becomes. I'm using an iPad 3 with iOS 6.1 nothing running in the background. Replicated this behavior on two iPad 3 devices. This behavior started for me with the 2.02 release.
Well, with this "workaround" iFretless became usable for me again as an instrument and not only as a controller
I think that iFretless really is one of the best iOS audio apps and I recommend everyone to try it out. Awesome as a controller and now, again, awesome as an instrument on my device. It would of course be nice if that tone control worked as expected on my device but tone shaping can be done on the tracks in the DAW if needed so this is not a showstopper. I'm just happy that the annoying clicks is not present anymore:)
Because I posted "moaning" about this clicking I thought it would be proper to also post the solution here.
Now I'll stop messing up the Audiobus forum and by the way, I'm really enjoying Audiobus. Best thing that has happened to iOS so far.
Thank you everyone and rock on
Actually, I think that most of us are interested in both issues and solutions for all of the apps that support Audiobus. We are all in the same boat ( bus ), using many of the same apps and workflows, so I don't think this kind of thing is off topic at all.
BTW, Hans, excellent support. There are much bigger companies that could learn from your example.
Hi @Blue_Mangoo, might it be usefull to add a switch that could actually turn the reverb and the eq off (insteadof just turning the volume down) and therefore lighten the load on the CPU ?
I personally never use the verb and it must be eating some of the resources.
Sorry for posting here but I dont do FB.
Cheers
@Frank, great suggestion for the 'switching off' reverb if desired. One can always add effects in there DAW later.
If I were the developer, a setting of zero for an effect would switch off the effect anyway. Hans may have done this already.
@PaulB is right: all effects switch off automatically when set to the zero position. The EQ doesn't consume CPU resources anyway because it preprocesses the samples, not the output.
We will work on reducing the clicks but in the mean time, you can usually get rid of them by fiddling with the eq and tone controls.
@PaulB It's incredibly good for us to have customers posting here. Yesterday iFretless had an unbelievably good day in app sales. So I can't say it bothers me. I'm just a little bit embarrassed to be using Sebastian's site for my own benefit.
@Blue_Mangoo, Audiobus has become the unofficial/official hub of all iOS recording. It only makes sense that this is the place where many iOS musicians/composers hang out and discuss their favorite 'Audiobus' supported apps. any third party developer’s participation here is a welcome change and only makes the Audiobus community a better resource for everyone involved. Thanks for your customer support. :-)
@Blue_Mangoo I agree entirely with AkaMarko, I think that your presence here and that of other participating developers draws people here and makes them feel more confident in buying Audiobus and the apps that support it. I'm sure Sebastian is very happy with that.
@PaulB, @AkaMarko That makes sense. I don't mind posting support here. The only real problem with it is that there's no email to automatically notify developers when someone asks a question about their app so they could easily miss the opportunity.
I think there is if they send you a message as well as post on the forum.
I'm messaging developers if I know people are talking about their apps on our forum and they'd ideally get over here to clear up a problem. So don't worry about that.
I have also been doing that. :-)
I found this forum is the best place for ios music app.
I wish this place will be the hub for us.I've more than 20 music app now.
I can't follow every forum for that apps and I love to see in this place 'cause
I can see the big world of apps and learn for other people.
Audiobus is the big brother now.
Yeah, it does seem to be THE place to hang out. @Sebastian Can we get a coffee machine in here?
Here you go...
Lol! Thanks!
Surely you can stretch to a pool table with your newly found wealth, Sebastian!
Does Bugatti really sell coffee machines?