Geoshred Violin - Schindler’s List Theme and Articulation Demo

Gavinski

@craftycurate said:

@Gavinski said:

@craftycurate said:

@McD said:

@craftycurate said:
Speaking as a former cellist, to take it to another level of realism, I'd want to make a couple of tweaks to the vibrato (on both violin and cello).

Vibrato control in GeoShred are great. You can adjust the depth and the default vibrato rate.
Of course, with an MPE controller you may also play a vibrato. On my MIDI controller (with MIDI out set to channel 2) the Mod Wheel is automatically assigned to Vibrato and I found it to be fast for my tastes. I dug into the docs and figured out where the menu for the Rate is set.

Vertical ...
Select "Model & FX" (this page expose all the internal capabilities of an instrument in GeoShred)
Touch "GCello" icon (will be the same for GeoViolin) GeoCello pop-up appears
Click "Expert" in the top right of the pop-up
"Vibrato Amount" and "Vibrato Rate" are at the end of the list

Vibrato Amount is exposed as a slider in the GUI and is tied to CC1 (Mod Wheel) in the MIDI implementation.

I think I've only scratched the surface (no pun intended) of what this app provides. The GUI
makes you put it in a box... a very nice box... but there are keyboard uses that I haven't explored enough.

This sounds like a great use of MPE to including the playing of the vibrato in a more natural way. I wonder if vibrato rate can also be modulated with MPE, as string players will very often alter the vibrato rate as well as depth as the playing of the note progresses.

Sure it can. The way you use your fingers on the notes of an mpe keyboard to do vibrato is exactly the same way you would do it on a string! Watch a couple of YouTube vids about mpe maybe - really cool stuff

I wasn’t clear in my earlier post ... I was meaning whether this specific app allows modulation of both vibrato rate and depth via MPE rather than about what MPE can do in general. Since it does, this looks like a powerfully expressive app.

Sure, it's always good to check, since sometimes apps have been released with less than ideal mpe implementations. Total control over vibrato is one thing that I think they all have though, thankfully.

McD

I dug into the steps to map hardware controls to GeoShred app widgets:

1. Press the vertical "..." (upper right hand corner)
2. Select "Control Surface"
3. All the programmable controls will show a "Red X" icon
4. Touch a control to edit

5. A pop-up appears and select MIDI on it

6. There are 2 ways to proceed.
   ONE

7. Press "Learn"
8. Move any keyboard control which will send some CC events - this will set that controller to the parameter you opened

TWO
1. Tap the "Controller 21" field and a list of CC's will appear

7. Hit BACK on the pop-up
8. and "Close"

It looks like you can also use EDIT and enter multiple controllers for a single Surface
widget/parameter.

These changes apply to the active MIDI Configuration and there are dozens in the MIDI screen for various hardware devices.

Very cool app.

Gavinski

@McD you see now why i didn’t go into everything in my video - there is a hell of a lot of stuff to fiddle with under the hood here!

LinearLineman

Thanks @McD. I am not a tech guy, but even I can see GeoShred is a remarkable app... a 21st century Thumbjam! And, it is working flawlessly in Cubasis 3. Much kudos to @moForte, Jordan and the team. A fantastic step into the future.

McD

@Gavinski said:
@McD you see now why i didn’t go into everything in my video - there is a hell of a lot of stuff to fiddle with under the hood here!

You are the master of app exposition and tutorials. Yes.... these SWAM instruments and
AUv3 will ignite a flurry of GeoShred creativity.

McD

@LinearLineman said:
Thanks @McD. I am not a tech guy, but even I can see GeoShred is a remarkable app... a 21st century Thumbjam! And, it is working flawlessly in Cubasis 3. Much kudos to @moForte, Jordan and the team. A fantastic step into the future.

I'm glad you are creating music with these instruments... it's giving your tracks a photorealistic quality. Nothing sounds fake.

TheOriginalPaulB

@McD said:

@McD said:

@ion677 said:
I use an Arturia Keystep 37. Mod wheel controls vibrato, and low velocity notes automatically enable portamento.

QUESTION FOR MIDI GURU's... I think the low volume enabling of portamento is related to the Arturia controller providing after touch. Does that make sense. My Casio keyboard does seem to do the kinds of portamentos I hear in these demos and I'd probably get the Arturia
if that's what it takes.

@ion677 Do you have another MIDI controller to see if this feature is specific to the after touch or something in the Arturia's implementation?

Portamento has to be applied right from the beginning of a key press, i.e. as soon as the velocity is known. It can’t happen afterwards when aftertouch might be applied as the new note would already have sounded. There is also nothing in the midi spec that says ‘do a portamento glide to this next note’, it has to be behaviour programmed into the receiving device or app. Sometimes this is in response to low velocity, sometimes it’s in response to note overlap, when the new note is played before the previous one is released. Bottom line, the legato behaviour has to be GeoShred, not the controller.

McD

I think I figured out the glissando issue that I assumed the Arturia 27 solved but it's
a feature of GeoShred. There's a button to enable "low volume Portamento" where softer notes glide between 2 end points if the second note is started before the first ends at a low MIDI velocity. I'll get there's an internal setting for the lowest velocity that works.

Keyboard players using SWAM instruments need to turn that on and dial up the portamento
setting to be able to glissando between notes. I haven't tried it myself yet but I tried it in
GeoShred where volume is determined by the vertical position of your finger on the pad (lower is quieter) and it allows you to use a gesture for portamentos without sliding between notes with your finger. Very cool.
Especially for large jumps where you can't really slide between the notes.

Paulo164

In fact, the in-depth review of GeoSwam instruments hasn’t been covered by the different video tutorials published on YouTube.
I invite you to read the documentation dedicated to that subject inside GeoShred itself.
It is utterly interesting and valuable to understand how works the SWAM model and how to take advantage of the different controls :

The easiest way to go directly to the right section is to display your instrument in the “Model & FX” then click “?”

Gavinski

@Paulo164 nice tip - i didn’t know pressing the ‘?’ When this was opened could direct you to the specific help section immediately, great tip

Paulo164

@Gavinski said:
@Paulo164 nice tip - i didn’t know pressing the ‘?’ When this was opened could direct you to the specific help section immediately, great tip

Yes, it is a contextual « ? » 😉