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No doubt in Behringer's business model to just copy and undercut. They'll come out with a stripped-down Werkstatt-inspired version of the Crave (no sequencer or midi) for $100 and call it 'The Itch' or something silly.
I'm going to disagree with that completely. Moog is essentially a mom-and-pop company. Small staff. small product range, with a stellar reputation for quality and sound. The scarcity comes from the fact Moog doesn't own huge factories overseas with ultra-cheap labor, not a marketing ploy.
From Bob Moog on down, the overall vibe of Moog has always been to me more laid back, rural, and hippy-dippy, not elitist. After Bob passed away the president gave half of the ownership of the company over to the 60 or so employees. You'd never see other music companies take care of employees like that.
I’m a fan of Moog in general. Love my Minitaur and have owned most of their catalogue at some point. Visited Asheville etc.
There is nothing special about the company other than they make cool products. Employee owned, USA made etc. is all just marketing. 💤
PS.
Look at what the 2020 Moogfest lineup was going to be. Hardly the indie electronic artists of previous years.
You're missing my point. None of that stuff equals "elitism" though...even if just marketing. Of course they're a company that's in business to make money, but there's no apparent fake shortages, price hikes/gouging, or undercutting smaller companies for profit. I don't see them posturing. It's obvious they're just trying to squeeze as much out of invested R&D as possible and still make successful products.
On a side note...I met Bob Moog once in the late 90's during the Big Briar days. He had no synths out and didn't even own the rights to the Moog name then. NO ONE was trying to talk to him, so we had a brief but meaningful conversation about bridging the gap between artistic expression and technology. I believe he was working on acoustic piano stuff and theremins at the time. Simply the nicest old guy...chill, geeky, and down-to-earth. Vibe was almost like a Bob Ross or Fred Rodgers.
When I look at how Moog as a company presents itself, that's the same vibe I get. You can call it 'just marketing' if you want, but it's certainly not 'elitism'.
Where is the iWerkstatt?
I want more ‘creamy’ analog sounding filters for iOS/iPadOS!
I do have a limited array of synths with analog filters and most apps don’t even come close and it’s not ‘high-end’ stuff, Volca Bass, UnoSynth and the filter in the MicroFreak, heck even the digital filter on the NTS-1 beats the crap out of most apps...
I’ll redig thru the filters in miRack but they were not exactly ‘warm & fat’ nor ‘creamy’ last time I checked...
Cheers!
Lindenberg filters are fantastic @Samu
I'll check them out...
I'm just amazed why good the analog filter on the MicroFreak sounds. It smooths out the 'digital edge' of the oscillators.
So I'll try these Lindeberg filters with the Mutable Instruments oscillators and see how close to the freak I can get
Thanks for the tip!
FabFilter One as an AUv3 would be so, so sweet (If FabFilter drops it, it'll be an insta-buy for me).
It‘s that edge that gives the filters stuff to chew on, as in many hybrid synths like the OSCar, Waldorf Micro/Wave, Ensoniq SQ80... even the Casio FZ10 sampler had an analog filter.
In fact no reason to get werkstat if crave can be had for the same money. I guess it doesn’t get you the street cred showing up with a behringer but the sound should be the one that wins, ultimately.
I’d rock it.
If you ignore about a quarter of iVCS3,
A lot of the Waverley patches sound like they’ve been sampled from a moog. Model 15 filter sounds pretty good too.
Not sure what is lacking with the filter in Model D/Model 15?
Werkstatt is just a ladder filter with high headroom.
Well...my Werkstatt arrived and is working perfectly. It was pretty easy to put together. The top panel screws are initially tight and take some torx/elbow grease. Putting on the knobs actually took the longest time since that's the only real DIY part of my build. Luckily they were exactly the right size, but you have to do the straw mod (adding a cut piece of plastic straw to the shaft) on this style of knobs. I also had to calibrate the CV scaling to my Keystep 37 but that was painless since Moog have a instructional video. It's important to do that before screwing the top panel and knobs on.
The thing I'm most excited about is that I tested running CV from MiRack to the Moog...and it works! You have two channels of CV outs in any iOS device just by connecting a 1/8" stereo to 1/8" L/R mono splitter to the headphone jack (built-in or the Apple lightning adapter). My next test is to try one of those in-line guitar adapters (like the original iRig), that tap into the mic input function on the headphone jack. That would add CV input and completely open up Mirack to out-of-the-box use without expensive DC-coupled audio interfaces. All my spare iOS devices (3 iphones, 3 ipads) could be used as real eurorack modules without the eurorack investment.
Nice work @coolout
If anyone else has a Werkstatt or any other synth that takes CV input, I found a solution for adding another 4 CV outputs to the iPad...CVPal and it's clones.
https://michigansynthworks.com/products/2hp2cv
Years ago Mutable Instruments released a MIDI to CV module as a DIY kit. It's long since been discontinued, but as open-source, there are folks still making clones of this little module. It's class-compliant and USB bus-powered so you don't need a eurorack case to use it. I just tested mine and so far it works well with iOS.
The only downsides are the CV pitch range is only 4 octaves and it's limited to standard MIDI spec...127 steps with CC. Really slow filter sweeps can have audible stepping, but in average use it's not noticeable to my ears. Being a MIDI interface opens the Werkstatt up to more apps than MiRack and the handful of CV apps. For instance I was able to play the Werkstatt from the Animoog keyboard with the Y-axis or velocity controlling the filter cutoff. Digital Moog controlling real analog Moog...
Good stuff @coolout I didn't realize that module could be powered just off USB. Good to know, in case I just want a portable midi to CV solution.
Nice job, I also got the kit as gift. Thought it would be basic.... There is a experimenter matrix in there with many mods and hacks. I was happily surprised as I look for knobs and switches and well I tried running riffer and some others through it (Midi to CV) and it was that glorious sound with even weirder stuff if you muck about. The MOOG forum is dead on this so share hacks and stuff,U can add a second oscillator with a 555 and also more trippy stuff. Hails synth maniacs.
Yeah I saw the hacks and stuff with the breadboards. The Werkstatt is very much a DIY synth for experimenting. I think the inclusion of the CV module and the addition of a proper GATE IN to the 2020 version now makes the WS a more usable instrument, essentially a mini Mother 32. Plus...iOS opens up the Werkstatt in more ways than could ever be done with hardware hacks.
I found some Gen-1 IRIG adapters on Amazon for $10 that has brought it all together. It was cheaper and more flexible than getting a new DC-coupled audio interface or falling down the eurorack abyss.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0855SCRKX/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
The little IRIG provides a mono line input while still passing CV out through the headphone jack. I can send the Moog into the ipad for audio processing while sending mono audio out and a single CV out at the same time or use my midi-to-cv module to send 4 CV out while adding stereo FX to the Moog. My Keystep 37 does midi-to-cv also, so that's a total of 9 CV outs and the Keystep adds a sequencer and midi knob control over the virtual eurorack modules in Mirack.
Overall, it's a fun little system. I have everything wired up in a roadcase lid that I can easily move on/off my desk without losing my patching
Sick, isnt that great when your gear comes together! Even ones you think won't play nice.
Nice to see this thread on here (not sure how I missed it previously). I'm a massive fan of Moog and of the Werkstatt. I've had mine a while (literally: years) and recently picked up a skin for it on eBay to make it feel more like it fitted in with my Sirin and GM. The Werkstatt Workshop exercises are still live on the site plus my friend Nathan did some amazing things which you can find on his Synthnerd DIY pages.
FWIW I'm a huge fan of the Moog ethos, of what Bob stood for and of the way Moog continues to operate today.
Additional: f*ck Uli and his wholly unethical approach to synth manufacturing. YMMV on this and it's only my personal opinion (you want to use his gear, I won't judge) but a massive multinational operation ripping off tiny synth companies, pioneers and one-man-bands gets zero of my cash or respect and 100% of the gasface...
Dude, That skin is cute. I was shocked to find moog shipping black and white patch cables. Moog is the most colorful company. I mean look at ol grandma, the Werkstatt is underrated and when u use the patch bay with like a volca modular its off to tea time. IF you don't mind a link to the skins? Also see my post in off topic and maybe you prevent me electrocuting myself jk. I want to use the hackers matrix under the vcf knob. Hails
PS. Id rock a crave for sure! Its more like the mother 32 than Werkstatt (from limited GC trials) which is great. I can tell you as a non purist though that the Moog does have a lovely tone. I know it sounds dumb and maybe its the filter but its silky smooth and well I even like making drum kits (one at a time)
Yeah, of course! I got them here:
https://www.ebay.it/itm/203144338947
The larger knobs were from AliExpress but I'm sure they're available in other places.
Ha - as for the mods, I've never touched that matrix on the motherboard but I've got mods to allow me to use CV connections from the back of the unit rather than the expander. I do have the expander but wanted to connect the WS to a Bastl Kastle (especially now that they released the Drum!) and a Volca Modular so I left it off for a while. Now I've got a Grandmother I've reinstalled it but I want to do some of the Werkstatt Workshop mods (I have the Sparkfun kit that gives you loads of components to so the Werkstatt Workshop projects). Also I'm slightly Moog obsessed and it's only a matter of time before I get a DFAM, Subharmonicon and probably a Mother 32.
Btw, this is without doubt the best Werkstatt video in existence. Ben knows synthesis backwards, forwards and in any other conceivable direction so it's an absolute joy to see that Moog sent him a unit:
Ok, you won a month of free donuts from donut.com.! Thanks seriously and for real there is a magical unicorn here as I just got the Kastle and Modular with Werkstatt and I feel so lucky... Wow can you tell me how you use Kastle with the moog, I literally just want to experiment but am mildly afraid as the Kastle is SO loud that id like burn the moog out via wrong CV connections! Are you confident that the patching is all kosher? I think so but im a newbie on that frontier....I made a post at moog but that forum is dead.
Well, I sold my Kastle v1 a fair while back and haven't bought a v1.5 yet so I can't test it but aside from needing a common ground the only thing you should need to bear in mind is the golden rule of - don't patch outputs to outputs. There are Kastle/WS videos on Instagram though. Bear with me and I'll find some links!
Man that overlay and wood ends are nice. Tempting...
Woo, took a while but I finally grabbed one today. Very fun