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Although after the hype, those scores aren't all that amazing, but for the price very good. So I guess they'll be even better on the Pro line-ups.
Wondering how well this will do for GPU heavy apps like VCVRack or games.
"For the first time, you can run your favorite iPhone and iPad apps directly on Mac."
I remember hearing about this possibility a while back. Seems rather significant to me, though I suppose it depends a lot on how well the developers maintain their apps.
Holy schnikes... Price on the Mac mini went way down too:
https://www.apple.com/shop/buy-mac/mac-mini
I was looking at a configuration a few months ago with 16 GB RAM, 256 GB storage, and the fastest processor...
Went well above $1000...
Now it's well below...
And I assume faster with the M1 (compared to I think it was an i7 6-core).
Nice job Apple. Give credit where credit is due.
Apple doesn't have any M1 models with 16gb RAM available yet. I wonder how much more the upgrade from 8gb to 16gb will be.
Might be a good time, considering the op1 is sold out again.
The 16 gig price is $200US higher.
The fanless Air might be really sweet for mobile audio work. These benchmarks are nuts if they turn out to be true. The Air is faster than the 16" Pro.
Thanks. Strange that the 8gb Macbook Air's multi-core score is noticeably higher than the 16gb Macbook Pro. (Both with M1). Could be since the Air is running 11.0.1.
https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/4648107
https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/4652718
They were playing Baldur’s Gate 3 in Apple’s presentation. It seems to need a decent amount of graphics acceleration. I was wanting to play this very game at some point in the future, and was worried I might have to buy some windows computer to do so. Glad to see this graphics intensive game is working here. Mine is coming, so I better do a lot of testing within my 14 day return policy to ensure I like it.
Waiting for 2nd gen and 14”/16” displays.
Pass. Stick with MB pro 16 (which gave me more problems then pleasure😂)
So consensus so far is that the just-released base M1 Mac Mini is good for music production?
I’m looking to upgrade my iMac mid 2011 21.5 inch and using it simply to run Logic Pro. No gaming since I have a separate Windows PC just salivating for Cyberpunk 2077 😁
As of right now I run LPX well but have the occasional hiccup if I approach 50ish tracks all with reverbs and delays. Plus I want to get Logic Remote working again and play with all the new plugins released in the latest LPX version.
When I travel I just take my iPad with me to make music so portability is not an issue, though I wouldn’t mind a laptop. I have an extra monitor too so that’s not an issue either.
EDIT: Wow, just looked at the benchmarks and found my answer!
I’m very curious about real world test. I would be surprised if mini is sufficient for music production but I hope to be wrong. Even as dedicated ‘cpu’ to run AUM projects on mini with attached old iPad or something...
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The benchmarks look really impressive. I haven't seen any indications specifically about audio though. I'm a little bit concerned about the impact of the big.little core thing for audio apps. It'll depend on how Apple handles the scheduling. I suspect that the new thread workgroup audio stuff may be designed to handle this, but audio apps will need to move to supporting this.
Personally, I'm waiting until the things are actually in peoples' hands to see how they actually perform and even then I may hold off until the more "pro" level machines are released.
I don’t know if this has any bearing on what people are thinking about but looks relevant...
Big Sur is out later today and I would not be surprised if it's required for the Logic update considering the new M1 Mac's ship with Big Sur...
Yes I saw that too! Like @NeonSilicon said, it’s probably better to wait until people have had time to actually sit and play with the new Macs and LPX before saying definitively whether a purchase is worth it or not, but this round of updates looks so good that I can’t stop thinking about it! Especially with Christmas time coming up where I’ll be spending two weeks alone with Mary Jane due to COVID I’ll have plenty of time to make lots of music on a hopefully new Mac and new LPX 😁
The keynote showed a new version of GarageBand for Mac as well with a Big-Sur-ey still interface.
Hopefully a new GB for iOS won’t be far behind — although the Mac version has been lagging behind iOS for years.
Regarding memory, I have friend who has a review unit of the 8GB Mac mini, and he says he can’t make it slow down. He opened up:
total, 23 open apps, including Universal and x86.
“This thing should not be able to do this” he told me.
It seems that RAM needs on the M1 aren’t the same as we’re used to. Stephen Hall on 9to5 Mac found the same:
https://9to5mac.com/2020/11/18/opinion-is-the-base-macbook-air-m1-8gb-powerful-enough-for-you/
If you think about it, the 2018 iPad Pro is more than capable, and that only has 2GB. I know the Mac isn’t iOS, bit on the other hand, the M1 is custom made for macOS.
I’m sold. I ordered a 512GB, 8GB mini to replace my old 2010 iMac. Yes, 2010, and still going strong! And that thing has 8GB RAM too.
EDIT: The reason I’ve gone for a mini instead of waiting for an M1 iMac is that I think the days of upgrading Macs are over, unless you buy a Mac Pro. I kept my old iMac going for a decade with new SSDs and other fixes. This time, I’m getting a fancy monitor, and replacing the mini whenever it is no longer viable.
Interesting, also now that i saw so many benchmarks and more important real life DAW test with ARM optimzed (Logic), non-optimizted (Cubase, Pro-tools etc.) or a mix (Logic) it seems that these little M1 is really a ....yes now it comes....
G A M E C H A N G E R. It mostly do very well and even can compete with bigger desktop systems with a fraction of the heat and TDP.
Man, i still have to wait until next Thursday for my macbook pro 16 GB RAM, 512 GB SSD...maybe i should have go for 1 TB since it is the same price to go from 256 to 512 as from 512 to 1 TB. Whatever, i anyway use a 2 TB Samsung T5 for samples, no dongles needed as well
But in general i was never more excited for a laptop upgrade.
Cannot wait to try Drambo on it.
+1
The advantage of the mini is that it’s no sweat to permanently hook up external SSDs. If it all works out, I’ll add a thunderbolt dock for all that.
I really like the Samsung T5 (i also have a T1 and T3). Its super easy, fast and really small and fits in my jeans pocket if needed. Also great that already came with usb 3 (or 2) and an usb-c cable.
I was worried about the ports but in reality i almost never use more than 1. So it should be fine for now and 1 is always free for charging. Otherwise at home a dock would be a workaround indeed.
But maybe i will trade it in again if the super duper powerful 16" M2 comes in a few months, lol. So i wanted not a maxed out. But 16 GB RAM was a must for me since i have now 8 and its not enough in some cases (even knowing that the 8 in the M1 might be bring me a bit further).
I wonder if Moog opted out.
i don’t think we’ll see an M2 until late next year. An M1X with support for more ram and more thunderbolt ports? Probably much sooner.
oh! good point.
I'm starting to wonder if 8Gb would be enough given my iPad Pro only had 4Gb and it does just fine.
I’m shall report back when I have everything set up, and I shall also take requests
The Apple SOCs use RAM in a different way to Intel, being packaged with the chip.
Also, unlike say Android, which uses garbage collection, Mac OS and iOS use reference counting which uses much less RAM which is why Android flagships have (and need) so much more RAM than iPhones and iPads.
The M1s are pretty amazing. What's most amazing is that they're the slowest Apple SOCs we will probably ever see!
I'm quite excited about how these chips will scale to replace the 4 port MacBook Pros and above.
The thing that's quite incredible is the performance of an M1 isn't far off the fastest AMD chips, which run at about 50W compared to the 7-8W of an M1. So the MacBook Air competes with high end Laptops and doesn’t have a fan.
And the fact that they benchmark so high running intel apps is crazy.
I don’t think you can magically fit gigs of orchestral sample libraries in low amounts of RAM and have it magically work. Running plugins that are CPU intensive is one thing, but loading up a 3Gig violin ensemble is still a 3Gig violin ensemble...
X 15 tracks
One doesn't need 3 gigabytes of ram to play a 3gig sample library. Good disk streaming and a fast disk are sufficient to use libraries larger than will fit into RAM. I don't know which apps are written to do it will but for sure 3 Gig is not needed for a 3Gig library -- even on an iPad apps like Audiolayer are able to stream quite efficiently with instruments several times larger than available memory.
True and a lot composers need for a reason 128+ GB RAM because they load big templates and such but i am more a friend of adding one by one also with sample libraries and also if your cpu and RAM and SSD is pretty fast you might not need so much RAM since samplers mostly just have to load a tiny bit into RAM and rest is streaming from disk then.
So you maybe can reduce the amount which had to load to RAM with a better system.
I will see how far i can go with 16 GB. I have the Hans Zimmer Strings with 26 microphone positions and about 200 GB size (not that i need them all).
But f.e. really amazing solo strings like Joshua Bell Violin or Emotional Cello, Viola, Violin, Bohemian Violin, Cello just load maybe 500 MB into RAM (depending on the patch it can be more or less of course).
A single Stratavari solo violin from the Cremona quartet collection is 40Gig uncompressed. By the time you start trimming the notes you aren’t going to use for a particular violin line on a specific channel...it uses 3Gig. There are so many layers to a great violin sample library because there are so many different expressions you can use.
So sure, you can get away with lesser quality on anything. But not if you went the better quality libraries.