Human against Drum Computer

tahiche

I’m not buying Drum Computer. Or I will but I’ll keep it a shameful secret.
IT DOESNT HAVE A REC BUTTON.
Now all of you DrumComputer subjugated humans will rant about how it’s not necessary, you don’t use it anyway... Not buying it.
Why the hell would you prevent someone from tapping a beat?. Tapping a beat is playful, fun, direct, it’s natural and human. “Oh no, I just love my grid, it’s so sexy”.

THEY EXCLUDE THE HUMAN INPUT ONLY TO ADD A ‘HUMANIZE’ FUNCTION!.
SLEEPY DRUM COMPUTER. MAKE HUMANS GREAT AGAIN.

RajahP

@tahiche said:
I’m not buying Drum Computer. Or I will but I’ll keep it a shameful secret.
IT DOESNT HAVE A REC BUTTON.
Now all of you DrumComputer subjugated humans will rant about how it’s not necessary, you don’t use it anyway... Not buying it.
Why the hell would you prevent someone from tapping a beat?. Tapping a beat is playful, fun, direct, it’s natural and human. “Oh no, I just love my grid, it’s so sexy”.

THEY EXCLUDE THE HUMAN INPUT ONLY TO ADD A ‘HUMANIZE’ FUNCTION!.
SLEEPY DRUM COMPUTER. MAKE HUMANS GREAT AGAIN.

It says ver 1.0.1
It would be nice to 'tap' in some things, and, don't forget the repeat button too.

and while we are at it.. the Sequence's 'Pitch and Dec' sliders should have Positive (+) and Negative (-) control.. it will be more musical...

Edit.. and, MIDI import would be cool too.

vrtx_void

Nord Drum?

Johnba

Version 1.0
Tapping works actually.
On the purchase pad, that is.

RolandGarros

That would be a dream come true. I find enough features of the sequencer to be compelling enough to not want to use another one, but knowing how fun making variations by jamming them in like in Patterning can be, the DC sequencing process can seem excruciating slow!

tahiche

See?. Humans defending DrumComputer. “Oh, he’s young, only 1.0...”.
Rec button has been in drum machines forever. It’s not like some advance feature.
The wonderful Digitakt has tapping, it’s an instrument. And guess what?. They mimicked the Elektron workflow, they all do. But no performance.

PS: I hope all you robot grid-lovers still retain some sense of humor and see this thread for what it is.
You never know with humans who don’t like to tap their hi-hats.

colonel_mustard

Love these polling options @tahiche

robosardine

Just thinking about this - I have been using drum machines for many years now, and come to think of it - I have never tapped it out, I have always programmed - so I won’t miss live recording but I understand the appeal.

You could always use it along with a drum machine that you can tap your rhythm out on and get the best of both worlds.

tahiche

@robosardine said:
Just thinking about this - I have been using drum machines for many years now, and come to think of it - I have never tapped it out, I have always programmed - so I won’t miss live recording but I understand the appeal.

You could always use it along with a drum machine that you can tap your rhythm out on and get the best of both worlds.

But you had the option. Right?.
I’m not versed in music theory. I know offbeats and swing, but the grid is hit and miss. I don’t know if the offbeat snare I’m hearing in my head is in the 3rd or 4th step. So I just tap it. Specially with hi hats, if I want some movement in my hi hats, it’s so much easier, nicer and fun to tap them. It’s also like “yeah, that’s me”.

[Deleted User]

And a proper attack envelope maybe. And I think the probability is a bit wrong too... there's no chance involved. It's just like every second, third etc time. Which is not my idea of a probability function, and which means there's not much in the way of random variability.

It makes some wonderful sounds but I'm not sure I'll buy it. Not yet anyway.

RajahP

@robosardine said:
Just thinking about this - I have been using drum machines for many years now, and come to think of it - I have never tapped it out, I have always programmed - so I won’t miss live recording but I understand the appeal.

You could always use it along with a drum machine that you can tap your rhythm out on and get the best of both worlds.

I have never tapped into one myself.. it’s just that this one sounds and feel so darn good.. it makes you want to ‘play’ it..

jolico

Tap the randomizer button.

TimRussell

Have to say I agree with the OP.
I can create the groove in my head much more quickly by playing the pads than editing a grid.

Gavinski

Would definitely be a good addition, you got my vote

Vlad11

I don't have a good timing either on pads nor keyboards so I always preferred the sequencer grid solution. And now with drumcomputer and the MIGHTY RANDOMIZER I feel free to press buttons here and there and not embarrassing myself trying to be a drummer.

I vote for soulless robots. No doubt.

If I ever want humanize songs I play guitar or bass.

drewinnit

@SimonSomeone said:
And I think the probability is a bit wrong too... there's no chance involved. It's just like every second, third etc time. Which is not my idea of a probability function, and which means there's not much in the way of random variability.

agreed. "Probability" is not the right word for the concept SB has used for this feature of the sequencer

overall I must say I am very satisfied with DC overall. I sequence from Drambo, so DC is like a powerful sound module for my drums. I love that you can decide to do multi-out mid.session. For Drambo, changing to multi-out afterwards is a nightmare.

reasOne

i haven’t thought of it yet but i’m not anti tapping , but the sequencer entry works really good for me and has great options to get the beat freaky

ecamburn

Adding a record button would be great even though I selected choice 2 because it made me smile more.

Does any one else feel like the buttons are currently set to some long quantize like half note? They don’t allow quick tapping.

slicetwo

@SimonSomeone said:
And a proper attack envelope maybe. And I think the probability is a bit wrong too... there's no chance involved. It's just like every second, third etc time. Which is not my idea of a probability function, and which means there's not much in the way of random variability.

It makes some wonderful sounds but I'm not sure I'll buy it. Not yet anyway.

Yeah, the probability is more conditional than actual probability. It's a bit annoying, but whatever. I will say that Drumcomputer is the coolest drum synth I've used since I had a Machinedrum. The only thing that's missing is per step parameter locking for each individual knob as opposed to all being tied to the same modulation lanes.

Lil_Stu07

The probability feature is actually pretty awesome I think. It allows you to use one pattern where you would normally need 3 or 4 just to switch up those few hat, snare and kick variations. Reduces ear fatigue and allows more variation on a somewhat predictable level.

tahiche

@ecamburn said:
Adding a record button would be great even though I selected choice 2 because it made me smile more.

Does any one else feel like the buttons are currently set to some long quantize like half note? They don’t allow quick tapping.

That too, like notes get “stuck”. I noticed while I was happily tapping around while searching for the red rec button. Then misery struck,

tahiche

@CapnWillie said:
Lmfao@ subjugated humans 😂😭.

I’m typically more patient with initial versions of an app being actively improved (2 Major updates in a year is extraordinary for SB), but I have to agree that recording will be a great addition. I say will be because I’m almost positive it’s on the roadmap.

The more people emailing Nadine at Bytes, the quicker it’ll happen.

The end of the world will come and someone will be randomizing congas at that exact moment.

Wrlds2ndBstGeoshredr

@drewinnit said:

@SimonSomeone said:
And I think the probability is a bit wrong too... there's no chance involved. It's just like every second, third etc time. Which is not my idea of a probability function, and which means there's not much in the way of random variability.

agreed. "Probability" is not the right word for the concept SB has used for this feature of the sequencer

The technical term they're looking for is "frequency".

tahiche

@CapnWillie said:

@tahiche said:

@CapnWillie said:
Lmfao@ subjugated humans 😂😭.

I’m typically more patient with initial versions of an app being actively improved (2 Major updates in a year is extraordinary for SB), but I have to agree that recording will be a great addition. I say will be because I’m almost positive it’s on the roadmap.

The more people emailing Nadine at Bytes, the quicker it’ll happen.

The end of the world will come and someone will be randomizing congas at that exact moment.

Lmfao.

Hey man. I’m no judge. I know how many people are rhythmically challenged in fact, I just assumed perhaps the people who make a lot of these apps are too thus all the sequence randomizers. If I’m being honest I use randomizers for sound design purposes where possible sometimes. Mostly, so I can get back to tapping out drums lol🤷🏽‍♂️

I use randomizers too, it’s congas I avoid like covid.
I guess it comes down to judgement. You randomize to see what comes around, but you sort of need to understand what’s happening, how that beat fits (or not) and be able to tweak it till you’re happy with it.

Back in the day I refused to take guitar lessons, I wanted to be self-taught in a punk kind of way. The bands I liked weren’t virtuosos, I thought it was lame to learn all those scales. So I’m an ok guitarist, but very limited. All by-ear and no musical theory. I obviously regret it. I say this because kids nowadays are in danger of this x 1000.
You can set a scale and randomize just about everything, watch a song come to live with little intervention. It’s only going to get you so (not very) far. Add auto tune to the equation and it means you think you’re doing music but no music is actually coming from you. You don’t even tap a kick snare tu-pa tu-tu-pa. I’m not judging, as long as you enjoy it do what you may. But I would recommend these kids to force themselves to know what’s happening and be able to physically produce a melody. The human way.

simonnowis

the human way

there's that sort of Sun Ra quote .. "you drummers better learn some new ways of playing, cos they got machines now to replace you"

it's in the eye

Terrence McKenna's "end of novelty"

entering the age of choice

used to be you needed a lab, skills, time, and money, to make photo-magic, now the machines do it, sometimes without us even asking

now it's just a choice ... how do we want it?

and it's become the same now with music,,,,

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i'm no finger drummer, but adding the option of taking the sticks, seems like a win

go with, or react against, the "chance" occurrence,,, a springboard into choice

easily pleased _________

supadom

I thought drum machines were for those with no sense of rhythm! 😂😂😂

robosardine

What’s all the fuss about? 1,5,9 and 13 is all you need to know, isn’t it?

Edward_Alexander

@CapnWillie said:
There’s no stopping the future @tahiche

*edited for length lmao

I read your original post before you edited it. I agree, there’s no forcing our kids to become interested in making music. I tried with my oldest son. He’s 26 now and doesn’t have a rhythmical or musical bone in his body, but my youngest son, 19, surprised me the other day by sending me a “cover” he did of one of his favorite video game soundtrack songs done in Garage Band. Talk about tearing up. It was a proud moment!

Instrumental_reason

This thread reminded me of this clip from 1992

tahiche

@CapnWillie said:

@Intrepolicious said:

@CapnWillie said:
There’s no stopping the future @tahiche

*edited for length lmao

I read your original post before you edited it. I agree, there’s no forcing our kids to become interested in making music. I tried with my oldest son. He’s 26 now and doesn’t have a rhythmical or musical bone in his body, but my youngest son, 19, surprised me the other day by sending me a “cover” he did of one of his favorite video game soundtrack songs done in Garage Band. Talk about tearing up. It was a proud moment!

Aw man! First off as a fellow pop I say congrats on both sons, and the bonus having one with chops although I’m sure you’re proud of both. Must have been a great moment hearing that cover.

IDK, i guess I silently go between being jealous of these kids having all of these magical tools and feeling how @tahiche feels out of gratitude of learning how I did. I don’t worry about it tho.

Ultimately, I think whatever makes people happy, inspired or open to expressing themselves is a good thing. If that’s randomizing congas or more cowbell...let Em be great lmao 🤷🏽‍♂️😂

I’m so scared of having a kid that randomizes congas that I don’t have a kid!
Now seriously... it’s all ok, I’m not judging anyone. As I said, I refused to learn how to play “properly”. A classically trained musician probably thinks I’m a worthless intruder, so who cares. Its just my personal opinion that it’s recomendable to be able to play something, even you’re bad at it.
Cheers!

tahiche

@CapnWillie said:
Lol @tahiche

Who hurt you with a pair of congas bro? You got me cracking tf up about the randomized congas.🤣

Synthetic congas are the sound of doom!. Cowbells a close second.
“Uhmmmm this track is sounding great, just a touch of cowbell and finesse” 😂