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I just backup with my computer or with my phone I just don’t care about backups. My iPad Pro which is almost 400GB full at this point does a backup to a MacOS installed on an external drive. Then it all backs up externally and I don’t have to mess with potentially non-long term terminal commands that might break eventually.
I use iCloud to hold notes, contacts, reminders, and calendars because they take up almost no space and the free works fine for that.
That may be due to insufficient storage space in user’s iCloud account.
Auria must be creating files somewhere on the device to get picked up by the backup process. Speaking of Auria, I just created a project in Auria and it got created in “On My iPad/Auria” folder that I can see in the Files app - nothing that the backup process cannot access to include in backups.
I've got the top tier iCloud backup as it's also useful for family sharing – apps, etc. I also back up the iPhone/iPad now and then (not often enough) directly over USB to the Mac mini which has the iTuens backups for the iOS devices shifted onto an external thunderbolt drive (there's instructions around, symlinks etc). I also fish things out of the iTiehnes 'files' tab window by picking files or folders on the iOS device to copy over to the Mac, if they're important enough (Auria stuff for eg).
I believed the same thing you do, but see the thread I linked to. At least two people insisted that AP's files are not restored. I cannot say 100% that they are correct but after reading that I am not taking chances.
If there is insufficient space for backing up, you get a message to that effect and it doesn’t do backups.
Maybe the users on that thread did not talk about the message. Or iCloud did not have that warning message or it did not use to work for all apps in the past and maybe some aspects of apps and backups changed now.
If you have an old/spare iPad lying around, you could reset it and restore backup from your iCloud to see if Auria projects get restored or not. If they do, you could ditch the manual backups to local drives and let iCloud do its work. I’m positive they will get included in the backup because they are saved into “Auria” folder in the root and openly accessible.
For all good reasons, backups should be taken on a daily basis (and ideally maintain last 30 days’ worth of backups and rotate them) and stored in a separate location - away from the premises where the original files are stored. Individuals do not possess the infrastructure, tools, automation, time, patience or discipline to perform this repeating and critical task on a consistent basis.
They’re sending a replacement iPad. They won’t tell me details, but it was obviously well dead. So I’ve lost a few songs I was working on that I really liked, all my samples, etc... Now I’m wondering what the hell it was and if it’ll happen again after the warrant expires.
Will I have to get the 3€/month iCloud account? Guess so. It pisses me off. I already have Google Drive but of course I can’t do “transparent” backups with that. Money, money, money.
I’m sure all this iCloud backup system is basically like .git repos, but all the iOS file system is so obscure you’re tied to their ICLoud país paid service.
I am not in a position to test this. I don't have enough free space on my iCloud account to do backups of my large devices and am not going to spend $10/month to test it out -- btw, it took something like 2 days the last time I did a restore for everything to be restored. Given the number of people that reported this as an issue, I am inclined to believe that there are quirks/bugs when backing up to iCloud.
@richardyot : do you have any insights about the Auria Pro problems backing up/restoring from iCloud?
Yeah, we need all those tools and attributes to do backups in the right way
If you consider your photos, videos, projects, files, documents and data are precious, then they are worth much more than just a couple of bucks a month.
I wiped and restored my iPad from standard iCloud backup a few months ago and all my Auria Pro data was restored. As far as I know all data was restored. All IAPs in all apps had to be restored with the restore purchases option in each app. Sometimes that was significant, such as having to re-download all the Pure Synth Platinum packs, but that was the only thing that didn't come back automatically.
I've also done at least three iPhone full restores, (once on a test device and twice to transfer to a new device), and they have all come out complete. (Obviously no Auria data there)
BTW, the restore did take a long time, but all happened in the background. I was able to begin using the iPad for some things right away.
That's good to know. It is interesting that some people (including one of the developers) were saying that the restores weren't working for AP. It sounded suspect to me but they seemed certain.
If your house burns down and you've no cloud backup or offsite storage you might think differently.
Having recently spent some days helping people sift through the remaining pile of dust and gravel that was their home and all their belongings, I think somewhat differently now about that subject.
By the way, if any of you use Google Authenticator for any reason, it won’t restore your accounts at all. Use Authy instead.
To my knowledge Auria Pro projects are not backed up to iCloud. I always manually back them up to Dropbox.
I always set up a new iPad by restoring my previous one from iCloud, and pretty much everything transfers over except for Auria projects.
Exactly! Or get burglarized. I wanted to say that but was afraid it might sound a bit harsh.
For individuals and small websites, daily backup is the norm. For large corporations, the industry standard is to backup every 4 hours for disaster recovery and business continuity (DR & BC).
You will feel helpless and miserable when disaster strikes. Do you want to kick yourself or pat yourself? Backups and restores is not our forte - delegate it to someone who does it for a living to laser-focus on your projects and accelerate your work.
While I hate Apple's concept of a "backup" not being a restore to exactly the state of the backup (i.e. they force an OS and all apps upgrade), I totally appreciate the full one button "bare metal" restore. If you've ever had to try to restore a desktop or server from a complete disaster, you'll know it can be a real chore and take a lot of time.
Also, the worst backup is the backup you didn't do. If you're home every day with your backup apparatus, and are disciplined enough, fine. But if you travel, or aren't rigorous about backups, then a transparent nightly backup, and the ability to restore from anywhere in the world is valuable.
Sure. I know it takes a lot of trust. But, I also put that in perspective personally. For one thing, except for financial information, accounts, etc, I have nothing I'm concerned about anyone hacking, even the NSA.
Just a few of the daily things that are far easier ways to get hacked than by storing your data with Apple:
Anyway ... sorry for the Off-Topic diversion.
Hopefully the people on the other end of your chats are equally careful. If someone was to try to go after someone careful like you, the easiest route is generally from the other end, or of course they can also stumble on your info by accident when hacking someone else.
Sorry - I'm probably giving you nightmares by now.
Yeah, junkies rummaging through our trash to grab paper statements to steal our sensitive info. Opt out of paper statements.
You find a USB stick in the elevator - no, that was not a misplaced one - it was planted there on purpose. Do NOT insert it into your computer - take it to your network folks or security analyst and let them deal with it.
The time it takes to restore from iCloud depends on the size of files and more importantly, on internet speed. Mine definitely did not take 2 days. Restore can be done in phases - we can pause it by turning off WiFi and it will catch up on going online next time from where it left off - similar to how apps can be downloaded or paused. The good thing is, it will let us use the device even before it completes full restore (after necessary files are restored).
A mission-critical paid eCommerce task like backup and restore will not be ridden with bugs. iCloud is one of their cash cows.
I’d be hesitant to propose that important tasks/products can’t be riddled with bugs. The OS itself is critical and Catalina was a disaster for a sizable chunk of Apple’s users.
You may well be right that this works and that the people that have reported problems were mistaken. But I would rely on something being bug free just because it is a cash cow.
I’m writing these lines form my new replacement iPad.
Wanted to remind all you bloody lazy cows to backup. I was worried most about the songs I lost, those are lost forever, when I played with bands i actually learned the bloody songs, now they’re on a flimsy drive and nowhere else. But as I open up things I realize all those little things that are gonna bug me badly. All those Drambo sample projects, instruments, all those AUM presets, the bloody LK project it took forever to get together. aghghhgh.
I’m getting the stupid iCloud. So Apple gives me a faulty unit, messes me up badly and in return I buy yet another product from them, they’re good.
It’s okay if you don’t want to use iCloud. I was just suggesting on the proper backup strategy as I worked on DR and BC projects and sharing my knowledge.
Catalina (and all future versions of macOS, iOS, iPadOS, watchOS, tvOS) are free to download as we know.
iCloud is free only for the first 5 GB so obviously it gets higher priority and scrutiny because it is a commercial product making subscription $$. iCloud is also a much smaller and simpler product (tiny, logic-wise) managing just users, storing files in hierarchical folder structure, backup, restore and subscriptions - compared to the giant macOS with a plethora of modules. The bigger and more complex the product, more prone it is to have issues. A tiny product like iCloud can be made bullet-proof in no time by a single developer team.
@MobileMusic now that I have my iCloud quota (50Gb hope it’s enough, well see).
What’s the recommended approach with samples?. Do you save them in the regular “my drive”, which I’m guessing will be included in the backups, or is it better to place samples in the “iCloud drive” storage under file app?.
Thing is, I hope this “iCloud Drive” keeps the files. I don’t want them disappearing when not used, etc... The obvious advantage would be that I could probably drop samples from my Mac onto the Mac iCloud Drive and they’d be available from the iPad, right?.
Thanks!.
Ps: I also lost my really awesome multilayered drum kits sampled from Neu! YouTube videos. That took me ages... aghghgh
Edit: this is the kind of situation I really wanna avoid... it’s from a Reddit thread, seen a few already.
I don’t want the samples to offload. I want them in the iCloud Drive but always on my iPad .