A new idea for a Sequencer?

McD

@wim said:
At least you read it. I jumped it before even doing that. 🙄

Sorry... I used the "Bat Signal" on you. I know you catch it when we talk about you, @wim.
I also got @_ki to read here. But this "ask" is beyond Mozaic unless someone can dave MIDI in
Mozaic Arrays. I started down that path but got distracted. You end up having to invent a data structure
to save time-based or at a minimum sequenced event data. Consider how you might store rhythmic patterns with Moziac. It's a challenge and probably just not the right tool. Something that can read/write files is needed and that means Swift or Objective-C (or Python maybe?).

aleyas

@wim said:

@aleyas said:
aha, I just reread initial post. I was going about it backward - its rhythm then melody. Cool idea.

At least you read it. I jumped it before even doing that. 🙄

Aha if you look at the top you’ll see I too jumped in, and got the premise wrong Well, at least it led me to make a patch I’m satisfied with haha.

McD

@aleyas said:
Aha if you look at the top you’ll see I too jumped in, and got the premise wrong Well, at least it led me to make a patch I’m satisfied with haha.

No problem... this is all part of trolling for developers. If you can plant the hook it might take a year to
pull the "app" into your boat.

espiegel123

@horsetrainer: traditional > @aleyas said:

@McD said:
@hypnopad requested what he called a "Round Robin" MIDI processor that in the end turned out to be
a need for a "note input" method to advance a sequence of notes. @wim wrote him a Mozaic Script called "Round-Robiner' and @rs2000 (I think) suggested a way to use Drambo. The historic thread conversation leading to defining to need and the script to solve it is here:

https://forum.audiob.us/discussion/38132/any-ios-apps-that-do-midi-round-robin#latest

@Hypnopad needed this capability to map drum taps to sequences of notes. It's pretty say to code that
ask in Moziac. What's missing is the ability to "record" the rhythms and if RhythmBud can do that then it can be the "automated" Hypnopad drummer feeding the input to @wim's script. @wim coded a way to
set up a 16 step sequence as I recall.

I hacked up a version of the idea and it was a lot of fun using Kat Pads to generate live rhythmic jams.

Like you, I hope a developer is fishing around for new app ideas and decides to code us a creative solution
that gets us past the 16 step sequence or the piano roll editor. We need:

1. rhythm record/playback
2. sequence record/playback

and then creative ways to merge the 2 into a rhythmic-melodic MIDI generator with a lot of tracks.

We could do this in Mozaic but data storage is the problem. All you get are 1024 element arrays so it's better to let a developer make us this new tool.

I wonder if I'm getting this straight.
The idea is to have a pitch sequence. Ie, a number of discreet pitches in a specific playback order.
For example: A G E G D F E G C D Bb

Then you could tap in a rhythm for that pitch sequence. So each 'tap' advances the sequence by one pitch value, for the duration of that tap... is this correct?

Indeed, this is similar to @hypnopad method.

I think if you were to enter a note sequence in a step sequencer (in MiRack), then use a separate gate sequencer to advance the sequence (or an external rhythm sequence converted to gate through the 'basic midi input' module) this would work.

There is already a Mozaic script called Infinity that does what the OP wants. You tap in the notes that you want and then you can sent notes in to trigger the notes in the sequence in order. You could send the notes from Atom or Photon or LK or a drum machine or whatever. It also lets you enter rests.

It works quite nicely.

aleyas

@espiegel123 said:
@horsetrainer: traditional > @aleyas said:

@McD said:
@hypnopad requested what he called a "Round Robin" MIDI processor that in the end turned out to be
a need for a "note input" method to advance a sequence of notes. @wim wrote him a Mozaic Script called "Round-Robiner' and @rs2000 (I think) suggested a way to use Drambo. The historic thread conversation leading to defining to need and the script to solve it is here:

https://forum.audiob.us/discussion/38132/any-ios-apps-that-do-midi-round-robin#latest

@Hypnopad needed this capability to map drum taps to sequences of notes. It's pretty say to code that
ask in Moziac. What's missing is the ability to "record" the rhythms and if RhythmBud can do that then it can be the "automated" Hypnopad drummer feeding the input to @wim's script. @wim coded a way to
set up a 16 step sequence as I recall.

I hacked up a version of the idea and it was a lot of fun using Kat Pads to generate live rhythmic jams.

Like you, I hope a developer is fishing around for new app ideas and decides to code us a creative solution
that gets us past the 16 step sequence or the piano roll editor. We need:

1. rhythm record/playback
2. sequence record/playback

and then creative ways to merge the 2 into a rhythmic-melodic MIDI generator with a lot of tracks.

We could do this in Mozaic but data storage is the problem. All you get are 1024 element arrays so it's better to let a developer make us this new tool.

I wonder if I'm getting this straight.
The idea is to have a pitch sequence. Ie, a number of discreet pitches in a specific playback order.
For example: A G E G D F E G C D Bb

Then you could tap in a rhythm for that pitch sequence. So each 'tap' advances the sequence by one pitch value, for the duration of that tap... is this correct?

Indeed, this is similar to @hypnopad method.

I think if you were to enter a note sequence in a step sequencer (in MiRack), then use a separate gate sequencer to advance the sequence (or an external rhythm sequence converted to gate through the 'basic midi input' module) this would work.

There is already a Mozaic script called Infinity that does what the OP wants. You tap in the notes that you want and then you can sent notes in to trigger the notes in the sequence in order. You could send the notes from Atom or Photon or LK or a drum machine or whatever. It also lets you enter rests.

It works quite nicely.

Nice. I have a lot of mozaic scripts to catch up on.

After re-reading the op I think I had it wrong though, first it’s establishing a rhythm, and then selecting pitches. A subtle, but significant difference in practice. A fun programming challenge.

McD

@aleyas said:
After re-reading the op I think I had it wrong though, first it’s establishing a rhythm, and then selecting pitches. A subtle, but significant difference in practice. A fun programming challenge.

The question to be answered is: how many people would pay for an app that behaved in this way? and how much? Developers do love it when "users" indicate they value an idea. Otherwise, they typically take
a shot in the dark.

Unfortunately, we usually get a flurry of apps that provide similar solutions... then we ask for yet another that merges the best features from each.

I remember begging for an Impaktor replacement... and I got one.

It's not too late for someone to send in the usual "Drambo can do that" reply. Does it handle recording rhythmic events into the sequencer? Most beatboxes just force everything into time slots rather than act as a "tape recorder" for events.

Most MIDI recorders expect the player to play to a click to evaluate the patterns accurately... many of us
just ignore the clock and record anyway. Or play along with a drum machine.

rs2000

@aleyas said:

@espiegel123 said:
@horsetrainer: traditional > @aleyas said:

@McD said:
@hypnopad requested what he called a "Round Robin" MIDI processor that in the end turned out to be
a need for a "note input" method to advance a sequence of notes. @wim wrote him a Mozaic Script called "Round-Robiner' and @rs2000 (I think) suggested a way to use Drambo. The historic thread conversation leading to defining to need and the script to solve it is here:

https://forum.audiob.us/discussion/38132/any-ios-apps-that-do-midi-round-robin#latest

@Hypnopad needed this capability to map drum taps to sequences of notes. It's pretty say to code that
ask in Moziac. What's missing is the ability to "record" the rhythms and if RhythmBud can do that then it can be the "automated" Hypnopad drummer feeding the input to @wim's script. @wim coded a way to
set up a 16 step sequence as I recall.

I hacked up a version of the idea and it was a lot of fun using Kat Pads to generate live rhythmic jams.

Like you, I hope a developer is fishing around for new app ideas and decides to code us a creative solution
that gets us past the 16 step sequence or the piano roll editor. We need:

1. rhythm record/playback
2. sequence record/playback

and then creative ways to merge the 2 into a rhythmic-melodic MIDI generator with a lot of tracks.

We could do this in Mozaic but data storage is the problem. All you get are 1024 element arrays so it's better to let a developer make us this new tool.

I wonder if I'm getting this straight.
The idea is to have a pitch sequence. Ie, a number of discreet pitches in a specific playback order.
For example: A G E G D F E G C D Bb

Then you could tap in a rhythm for that pitch sequence. So each 'tap' advances the sequence by one pitch value, for the duration of that tap... is this correct?

Indeed, this is similar to @hypnopad method.

I think if you were to enter a note sequence in a step sequencer (in MiRack), then use a separate gate sequencer to advance the sequence (or an external rhythm sequence converted to gate through the 'basic midi input' module) this would work.

There is already a Mozaic script called Infinity that does what the OP wants. You tap in the notes that you want and then you can sent notes in to trigger the notes in the sequence in order. You could send the notes from Atom or Photon or LK or a drum machine or whatever. It also lets you enter rests.

It works quite nicely.

Nice. I have a lot of mozaic scripts to catch up on.

After re-reading the op I think I had it wrong though, first it’s establishing a rhythm, and then selecting pitches. A subtle, but significant difference in practice. A fun programming challenge.

No need to program anything if you have Drambo. Yes, it's fun and gets you different melodies for sure!
And it supports live transposition and non-rhythmic live playing too.

aleyas

@rs2000 said:

@aleyas said:

@espiegel123 said:
@horsetrainer: traditional > @aleyas said:

@McD said:
@hypnopad requested what he called a "Round Robin" MIDI processor that in the end turned out to be
a need for a "note input" method to advance a sequence of notes. @wim wrote him a Mozaic Script called "Round-Robiner' and @rs2000 (I think) suggested a way to use Drambo. The historic thread conversation leading to defining to need and the script to solve it is here:

https://forum.audiob.us/discussion/38132/any-ios-apps-that-do-midi-round-robin#latest

@Hypnopad needed this capability to map drum taps to sequences of notes. It's pretty say to code that
ask in Moziac. What's missing is the ability to "record" the rhythms and if RhythmBud can do that then it can be the "automated" Hypnopad drummer feeding the input to @wim's script. @wim coded a way to
set up a 16 step sequence as I recall.

I hacked up a version of the idea and it was a lot of fun using Kat Pads to generate live rhythmic jams.

Like you, I hope a developer is fishing around for new app ideas and decides to code us a creative solution
that gets us past the 16 step sequence or the piano roll editor. We need:

1. rhythm record/playback
2. sequence record/playback

and then creative ways to merge the 2 into a rhythmic-melodic MIDI generator with a lot of tracks.

We could do this in Mozaic but data storage is the problem. All you get are 1024 element arrays so it's better to let a developer make us this new tool.

I wonder if I'm getting this straight.
The idea is to have a pitch sequence. Ie, a number of discreet pitches in a specific playback order.
For example: A G E G D F E G C D Bb

Then you could tap in a rhythm for that pitch sequence. So each 'tap' advances the sequence by one pitch value, for the duration of that tap... is this correct?

Indeed, this is similar to @hypnopad method.

I think if you were to enter a note sequence in a step sequencer (in MiRack), then use a separate gate sequencer to advance the sequence (or an external rhythm sequence converted to gate through the 'basic midi input' module) this would work.

There is already a Mozaic script called Infinity that does what the OP wants. You tap in the notes that you want and then you can sent notes in to trigger the notes in the sequence in order. You could send the notes from Atom or Photon or LK or a drum machine or whatever. It also lets you enter rests.

It works quite nicely.

Nice. I have a lot of mozaic scripts to catch up on.

After re-reading the op I think I had it wrong though, first it’s establishing a rhythm, and then selecting pitches. A subtle, but significant difference in practice. A fun programming challenge.

No need to program anything if you have Drambo. Yes, it's fun and gets you different melodies for sure!
And it supports live transposition and non-rhythmic live playing too.

You know I’m a massive Drambonaut - I entirely mean patch programming haha. I’m completely mozaic illiterate.

The feature you got implemented, to replace notes on the sequencer grid, does work nicely for this application. I can see how it would be desirable for step entry to enter next pitch though. When Giku refines the sequencer to have variable lengths, as well as their own pitch, gate, clock inputs (I think that’s the plan, roughly..) - then I can really see this sequencer idea being easier to make.

espiegel123

@aleyas said:

@espiegel123 said:
@horsetrainer: traditional > @aleyas said:

@McD said:
@hypnopad requested what he called a "Round Robin" MIDI processor that in the end turned out to be
a need for a "note input" method to advance a sequence of notes. @wim wrote him a Mozaic Script called "Round-Robiner' and @rs2000 (I think) suggested a way to use Drambo. The historic thread conversation leading to defining to need and the script to solve it is here:

https://forum.audiob.us/discussion/38132/any-ios-apps-that-do-midi-round-robin#latest

@Hypnopad needed this capability to map drum taps to sequences of notes. It's pretty say to code that
ask in Moziac. What's missing is the ability to "record" the rhythms and if RhythmBud can do that then it can be the "automated" Hypnopad drummer feeding the input to @wim's script. @wim coded a way to
set up a 16 step sequence as I recall.

I hacked up a version of the idea and it was a lot of fun using Kat Pads to generate live rhythmic jams.

Like you, I hope a developer is fishing around for new app ideas and decides to code us a creative solution
that gets us past the 16 step sequence or the piano roll editor. We need:

1. rhythm record/playback
2. sequence record/playback

and then creative ways to merge the 2 into a rhythmic-melodic MIDI generator with a lot of tracks.

We could do this in Mozaic but data storage is the problem. All you get are 1024 element arrays so it's better to let a developer make us this new tool.

I wonder if I'm getting this straight.
The idea is to have a pitch sequence. Ie, a number of discreet pitches in a specific playback order.
For example: A G E G D F E G C D Bb

Then you could tap in a rhythm for that pitch sequence. So each 'tap' advances the sequence by one pitch value, for the duration of that tap... is this correct?

Indeed, this is similar to @hypnopad method.

I think if you were to enter a note sequence in a step sequencer (in MiRack), then use a separate gate sequencer to advance the sequence (or an external rhythm sequence converted to gate through the 'basic midi input' module) this would work.

There is already a Mozaic script called Infinity that does what the OP wants. You tap in the notes that you want and then you can sent notes in to trigger the notes in the sequence in order. You could send the notes from Atom or Photon or LK or a drum machine or whatever. It also lets you enter rests.

It works quite nicely.

Nice. I have a lot of mozaic scripts to catch up on.

After re-reading the op I think I had it wrong though, first it’s establishing a rhythm, and then selecting pitches. A subtle, but significant difference in practice. A fun programming challenge.

With Infinity and any other sequencer, you can do that. Just recorded your rhythm in any sequencer. And then enter your pitches in Infinity by playing them. Then run your rhythm sequence through it. The order they are created in doesn't matter as they are indepedent operations.

McD

A lot of people get ideas for apps... the idea is really the easy part.

aleyas

@espiegel123 said:

@aleyas said:

@espiegel123 said:
@horsetrainer: traditional > @aleyas said:

@McD said:
@hypnopad requested what he called a "Round Robin" MIDI processor that in the end turned out to be
a need for a "note input" method to advance a sequence of notes. @wim wrote him a Mozaic Script called "Round-Robiner' and @rs2000 (I think) suggested a way to use Drambo. The historic thread conversation leading to defining to need and the script to solve it is here:

https://forum.audiob.us/discussion/38132/any-ios-apps-that-do-midi-round-robin#latest

@Hypnopad needed this capability to map drum taps to sequences of notes. It's pretty say to code that
ask in Moziac. What's missing is the ability to "record" the rhythms and if RhythmBud can do that then it can be the "automated" Hypnopad drummer feeding the input to @wim's script. @wim coded a way to
set up a 16 step sequence as I recall.

I hacked up a version of the idea and it was a lot of fun using Kat Pads to generate live rhythmic jams.

Like you, I hope a developer is fishing around for new app ideas and decides to code us a creative solution
that gets us past the 16 step sequence or the piano roll editor. We need:

1. rhythm record/playback
2. sequence record/playback

and then creative ways to merge the 2 into a rhythmic-melodic MIDI generator with a lot of tracks.

We could do this in Mozaic but data storage is the problem. All you get are 1024 element arrays so it's better to let a developer make us this new tool.

I wonder if I'm getting this straight.
The idea is to have a pitch sequence. Ie, a number of discreet pitches in a specific playback order.
For example: A G E G D F E G C D Bb

Then you could tap in a rhythm for that pitch sequence. So each 'tap' advances the sequence by one pitch value, for the duration of that tap... is this correct?

Indeed, this is similar to @hypnopad method.

I think if you were to enter a note sequence in a step sequencer (in MiRack), then use a separate gate sequencer to advance the sequence (or an external rhythm sequence converted to gate through the 'basic midi input' module) this would work.

There is already a Mozaic script called Infinity that does what the OP wants. You tap in the notes that you want and then you can sent notes in to trigger the notes in the sequence in order. You could send the notes from Atom or Photon or LK or a drum machine or whatever. It also lets you enter rests.

It works quite nicely.

Nice. I have a lot of mozaic scripts to catch up on.

After re-reading the op I think I had it wrong though, first it’s establishing a rhythm, and then selecting pitches. A subtle, but significant difference in practice. A fun programming challenge.

With Infinity and any other sequencer, you can do that. Just recorded your rhythm in any sequencer. And then enter your pitches in Infinity by playing them. Then run your rhythm sequence through it. The order they are created in doesn't matter as they are indepedent operations.

Sweet! I’ll download that when I get home! I’d be curious to see how it works for @horsetrainer too.

For curious thread lurkers:
https://patchstorage.com/infinity/

McD

@espiegel123 said:
With Infinity and any other sequencer

Infinite Looper? Let me check the App Store... yep, I bought it on some sale binge. I'll check it out for it's rhythmic flexibility in the morning. The Store says you can just tap and get a "natural feel". I like the idea and I could point it at those Mozaic scripts for the other 1/2.

Feel free to beat me to it. and using any other sequencer for the assignment.

Input "Tap" rhythms and send them out after some triggering or looping mechanism later.
AUM use for the plumbing appreciated.

Is Infinite Looper an AUv3? Probably not. But maybe IAA. More likely AudioBus since it's
pretty old. Good night.

aleyas

@McD this guy right here
https://patchstorage.com/infinity/

McD

@aleyas said:
@McD this guy right here
https://patchstorage.com/infinity/

Oh yeah... that's another partial solution, I think. But that's why smart people have app ideas.
Because they want to will it into existence. Not sure it ever works but without hope... we are truly
~ fucked ~.

(Regular readers of all things ABF will recognize the tilda as the new "sarcasm" indicator).

I use ()'s as a form of "aside"... not unlike side-chaining or puppy humping. You know... like the
Shakespeare comedies.

senhorlampada

Maybe i'm misunderstading y'all, but it seems Cykle is what you want
Or I got lost... gotta re-read the thread

Skyvalleystudio

@senhorlampada said:
Maybe i'm misunderstading y'all, but it seems Cykle is what you want
Or I got lost... gotta re-read the thread

Right, in what way does Cykle NOT answer the original request?

horsetrainer

@Skyvalleystudio

I looked over the Cykle manual, and watched the Sound Test Room video of it.

I'm not seeing how I can record note lengths into Cykle playing by hand (It seems selecting note lengths are entered one by one by setting fractional lengths)? It also looks like Cykle might be restrained to recording from selectable scales? I need to be able to work in the full chromatic scale.

@McD @wim @aleyas @espiegel123 @rs2000 , Et al.

Thanks for your thoughts.

I think the most intuitive, fastest, design for this type of application would allow for either entering notes first, or rhythm first. It just has to be able to record timing in a high enough resolution to reproduce hand played realism.

In the mean time I'm practicing the method using Drambo. Drambo can do it, but I'm having difficulty doing note replacement in Drambo's sequencer, with speed. And I keep accidentally erasing notes instead of replacing them. But I think it's the best App I know of so far for composing in this method.

Here's a video of my latest Drambo timeline note-replacement practice session. I hope I can master this work flow well enough to work quickly with it, I'm having fun with this technique.

senhorlampada

Nice, @horsetrainer... Soon you'll be mastering this workflow
I think we are spoiled with too many apps, gear, etc.
Sometimes it's good to just focus on what you have at hands (like you're doing with drambo) and squeeze it so it works for you and not the other way around

rs2000

@senhorlampada said:
Nice, @horsetrainer... Soon you'll be mastering this workflow
I think we are spoiled with too many apps, gear, etc.
Sometimes it's good to just focus on what you have at hands (like you're doing with drambo) and squeeze it so it works for you and not the other way around

Wise, wise words.

Poppadocrock

@wim said:

@aleyas said:
aha, I just reread initial post. I was going about it backward - its rhythm then melody. Cool idea.

At least you read it. I jumped it before even doing that. 🙄

Yea that’s a habit I’m trying to kick too. Lol.

[Deleted User]

This thread is literally about the TB303 sequencer. “A new idea for a sequencer”. A sequencer that has existed for 40 years. LOL. Kids today!

NeuM

@aleyas said:

@McD said:

@wim said:
Found it. Guess who the instigator was. (Hint ... it rhymes with coarsebrainer.

I suspect we're trivializing the "ask" in this thread. Developers, please, re-read the original post for additional requirements. I wouldn't expect a developer to reply here if an idea seems worth pursuing.

We can sometimes glue 2-3 apps into a series or in parallel or create a new data workflow and get close to
prototyping what someone just wants to purchase in an app. Suggesting that solution, is never the solution but if it doesn't exist it's just a "Request for Application"... and developers never explicitly honor
them because the "rights" get complicated and never work to the benefit of the developer.

There's a good idea here.

I suspect when the @horsetrainer walks into a room the average IQ goes up. I feel the same way about @wim. The rest of us haven't provided evidence to support that conclusion. Just my opinion.

aha, I just reread initial post. I was going about it backward - its rhythm then melody. Cool idea.

I already have the app name ready for anyone willing to create this: “Rhythmix” (I’m giving permission to anyone who creates it first to all rights to that name)