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Same here, I own many classics but find iOS synths more than good enough. Plus I have ran the oscillators from Model D, ivcs3, Drambo, Spectrum etc. through the old synths and nobody on the planet would be able to tell that difference except for some extreme PWM or FM sounds.
Whichever you find less annoying to work with 😅
Both do the job and on the same CPU, performance differences are minimal but Win 10 has become an attention seeking whining OS lately unless you keep it completely offline and do a lot of hacks to make it work silently in the background (which is what I would expect from an OS to begin with).
Oh, the irony. Good one!
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PC, if you like to gamble.
Every time you push the power button, you never know if it’s going to switch on, off, or begin an unstoppable 4 hour update.
There’s also a 50% chance that one of its main components will die within 3 months or 6 years.
Thank you for picking up on that!
Mac vs Pc / analog vs digital/ Hardware vs software. The oldies live on!
And the answers stay the same....Years ago I had quite some hardware synths. VCO’s, DCO’s, Wavetables etc. Sold everything back then (in reflection stupid, seeing the recent prices). MS10, Prodigy, Juno 106/Alpha 2, Waldorf stuff, MPC60 etc.etc.
Most of it can be done quite good within iOS. TAL created a nice Juno 60 clone (unfortunately the interface has some flaws) and I still hope this get fixed and we will also see an SH-101 emulated. Korg MS20 also simulates the character but my personal favorite are the Moog’s. Quite recently I bought a Moog Grandmother and last week a DFAM. The iOS MiniMoog i.m.o. sounds very, very good...the reason I bought the Grandmother is simply because I “just wanted” a Moog back 😉. The DFAM was for sale nearby so I couldn’t resist the urge.
The big plus of these two is I do not have to tap or view a screen! I just have to plug them in and go!
It speaks for itself that the sound is pretty powerful and there seem to be something that sounds different (it’s truly analogue). BUT: after processing and mixing the general public will not hear any difference. It’s purely for my/our own I think.
There’s a place for it all. Tried going iOS alone, tried going hardware alone - always missed what the other offered. Now it’s a blend of both - I don’t think one can replace the other so embrace the mix.
My Korg MS2000b and My Akai Miniak cost far less than a new iPad Air or Pro.
But software synths in general are so much more flexible and the virtual MIDI is much easier and more robust to work with than hard wired MIDI setups.
Now if we just had Massive VST ported over to iOS.
Today on Craig’s list appeared a Yamaha Tx-802 for $150 inc cartridge. I used to own one, but sold it during tough times. I kept the kybd version DX7-II, which is easier to program, but not multi-timbral. My old self would have responded immediately and been in my car driving 20 miles to purchase it. I thought about all my various AU fm synths, and how great they sound, and how little space they occupy, and took a pass. Sad thing is the part of old me still craves that stuff.
An hour later it was sold...
We're in the dying embers of 2020 and people are hijacking requests for advice posts to have pointless hardware vs software debates? Plus ça change, I guess...
This is how we bump a thread to the top around here
I can't believe no one responded to this yet, but you must have missed Tal's release of the Tal Uno (Juno 60). If you don't think that is close to the real thing, then you're definitely best off sticking to the hardware, because that is one fantastic soft synth emulation.
The default patch on mood by apesoft can pretty much nail that Shine On/Logos sound (the former by closing the filter a tad and adding vibrato). It has a really ripping saw that's Moog-ish and creamy but still unique. It sounds better than the app Model D for saw leads to me. Just get it, open it up, and play 3 notes. If that doesn't sell you then go get an immediate refund. I'm confident in the recommendation though. Trust me on this.
https://apps.apple.com/us/app/mood/id1218198148
Edit: I dunno what that guy who recommended Hillman was thinking. It's a great niche synth for early 80s/Krautrock-esque sounds, but not at all what you are requesting.
This is the same analog vs digital, Tube vs transistor, and so on comparison. Music has to evolve if not we would still be playing with sticks against wood like cavemen. I saw a video on youtube of a comparison made between an oddysey and the ios app and the owner says that while he wouldn't sell his odyssey he can not notice a difference in sound between the two. Of course maybe the trained ear will notice something and that is ok. To me, it doesn't matter, music is why I use IOS instruments and I am not willing to pay thousands of dollars on one synth when for hundreds of dollars I can have dozens of synths. I like Zeeon, Sunrizer, Animoog, Nave, Thor, and all the synths I have. If hardware is your thing then great, I'll go for software. I cannot imagine Layr being made into hardware and if it does at what cost?
After having just bought AddStation (still on sale), I can only recommend it. This synth is amazing, both for subtle lead/plucked sounds as well as huge Aparillo’s orbital ones.
Magellan 2 is great anyway.
AddStation and Aparillo are lovely synths and nothing like the synths OP asked about.
Lol I like that “But not at all what you were requesting” Man! That’s a legendary comment!
I was expecting such a reaction 😉
I agree that AddStation is very far from how VA synths work.
Nevertheless, as any sound can be decomposed in elementary sin waves (Fourier’s series), I was surprised to be able to create some presets sounding like an old analog synth.
Happy new year !
Three best sounding synths for me:
All three very powerful!
But, also the synth into Nanostudio 2 is fuckin’ deep and extremely powerful!
Re: “ as any sound can be decomposed in elementary sin waves (Fourier’s series), I was surprised to be able to create some presets sounding like an old analog synth”
This is only true if you mean: with an unlimited number of sine waves whose amplitude and phase can be continuously controlled with precision — which isn’t the case with any additive synths I know of ... and not in a general way. And even to the extent it is true with some systems, manipulating those sine waves to be responsive in the same ways as an analog synth isn’t practical. For many years, I spent hours per day doing additive synthesis as part of my job. It is great for lots of amazing sounds. It is not so great when creating classic analog synth sounds.
In practice, it isn’t the case that additive synths can accurately reproduce arbitrary sounds. I like AddStation, it just isn’t something that can substitute for a mini moog...and even for those patches where it could...it would be a lot of work. And, to be fair, there are lots of sounds AddStation can make that a MiniMoog or similar can’t.
For me Moog model 15 is probably the best (core sound) & most ‘analog’ sounding of the apps for me. Unfortunately I find it’s UI is a bit frustrating to use & I lose patience with it tho maybe it’s easier with an iPad Pro size screen. If you have the patience that app would be a strong recommendation.
Ok, I can only agree with you 😌
I think Addictive pro can do much more than addstation
How do I add vibrato on the default sound? When I turn the mod wheel nothing happens. How to I get the vibrato when I turn the mod wheel?
Go to XLFO. Set it to a sine wave if it is not (all the way counter clockwise). Click osc 1, 2, 3, and MOD (so it is controlled by the mod wheel) so that they are all red/on. Make sure to turn delay and attack down to taste, as at default they are set at .5 seconds, which means the vibrato will take half a second to fade in. Then adjust the depth (usually takes very little, .02-.03 for a nice musical vibrato) and finally the rate speed to how fast you need it. Mod wheel vibrato achieved.
Yeah, I'd prefer 1st and 2nd!