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Loopesque, the original is super legit. I was pretty floored by it when I got it (my beef with patterning was always that it felt like it takes too long to get a proper kit set up, then if you need to reset, bleh, love playing around in it but don’t think I’ve made anything I’d sign my name to). Loopesque solves that gripe and then some! Lol
Don’t be fooled by loopesque 8. You already have the best offering. It’s easy to be fooled when you check it out afrer falling in love with the first one but don’t do it!
You have totally nailed it my man!
Drambo is capable of anything — and EVERYTHING! 😉
Seriously though if people just want to see iOS sales, then they can just go to appsliced and be done in 30 seconds.
If they want to see sales, discuss the apps and speculate about coming deals and bundles, then they have this thread. I don't mind when it goes off topic, as it tends to only last a few posts, and often it's of interest in terms of general iOS music production.
This thread is like a pub conversation... it would be a shame if it just became a list of apps.
But i's easier to look at the sales here, as we are already here on the forum.
If you want to discuss apps you are free to do so. Nobody is trying to stop you. You can make a million threads to discuss apps. And they are free to make. It's a forum - you can make as many as you like.
Sorry, but that doesn't hold water. It takes all of a few seconds to click a link to a bookmark and have a list of nothing but music apps on sale.
Yeah, you keep saying this, and it's patronizing. You think anyone here doesn't know this?
Couldn’t agree more. It’s often useful that mini discussions pop up in the thread regarding the apps or even the nature of the sale seems completely apt for this thread.
As I mentioned earlier, when the conversation goes off track, it's usually not even noticeable to passers-by as there’s usually a steady trail of music apps on sale which make up the majority of the conversation.
Post BF is always light on promo activity until the Xmas sales begin. And BTW much as there are aspects of 'price bouncing' that doesn't agree with me, I've not at any point said that @Poppadocrock shouldn't post 'price bounce' promotions, they're just as valid as any other. Personally speaking, those posts simply become white noise that I ignore, as I'm sure there are some that see @jonmoore posts as white noise to ignore. 😴
Word.
I like the discussion bit more than the sales. Maybe because I’m filthy rich?.
Anyway, this a Forum, right?. I’m glad it’s in the ABF name, so that’s settled
If there’s no discussion it becomes a list, which not should belong in a forum but somewhere else.
ABL - AudioBus Lists
ABVSD - AudioBus Very Short Discussions
About going slightly (or not slightly) off-topic… Sure, it’s inevitable!. That’s what conversations are like. What would be the point in sticking to talking about the actual sale?. Boring!.
Long time lurker here, hi everyone! Big fan of what @Poppadocrock is doing here, and of everyone contributing to the forum.
Please don't remove conversations; they're the only thing that keeps me (and likely many others) checking in here.
If we are smart enough to have civil discussions, I'm sure we can also self-regulate. If we start going off on far too long a tangent, we can ourselves suggest to create a thread for that specific discussion.
For the ones that don't like the discussion, there are other places to just check that. Also, if you aren't interested in a specific one, you can just keep scrolling.
No more patronising than telling me "It takes all of a few seconds to click a link to a bookmark and have a list of nothing but music apps on sale."
You think I don't know this?
But - fine. I'm happy with whatever happens with the thread. I'll still read it and be thankful for the effort Poppadocrock puts in.
This thread is perfect as is imho, kudos to Doc P.
Here is the aforementioned pro tip for whenever one thinks there's too much discussion and too little sales info on here:
https://appsliced.co/apps?sort=latest&threshold=all&l=nav&cat[]=6011
Now, can we get back to dissing/championing multipocketed Paul now?
I like 4P policy... $2 discount doesn’t require any brain activity... if it was $2 each I would have think.
Thank you!
My only suggestion for the 2022 thread is to separate music related apps from the rest... I’m sure many creative people appreciate the photo, video, productivity, finance etc aspects, but this is mainly a music related forum - don’t shoot, just an opinion.
@ervin said:
Wouldn't want to dilute the brand.
I guess I contributed to this discussion. I, personally, have no problem with app performance discussions here. In fact it makes sense to me. I just found it ironic and amusing (and slightly irksome) to nitpick on sales techniques of devs who struggle/have fun with their marketing to generate more income/visibility while most here (inc myself) like to get a bargain…save some money… or whatever.
I realize that for many of us (inc myself) saving a few dollars/pounds/shekels is important and makes being an appoholic a bit easier to justify. That’s why it’s hard for me to understand why the same people might not be able to empathize with devs, who often struggle, too, to make efforts as they see fit to generate interest and sales.
It’s not very important to me whether that stuff appears here, but it does seem worth the regular remembrance that both users and devs are in the same boat when desiring to maximize performance of the almighty (fill in type of currency).
I also think that this thread has healthy mixture of sales links and discussion. Countless times it was useful for me to get some background about the apps that are on sale. I could swear I’ve seen several times that a more intense discussion had been taken to a breakout thread. I had been on many forums and I think this community has a quite good common sense for netiquette that works without any written rules or moderators. Anyway, sometimes I also don’t have the time to read all the discussion but then it’s easy to identify the actual sales posts as they have an AppStore link.
Seeing as I was one of those that stated that I find ‘price bouncing’ a little ‘irksome’ I’ll clarify why.
Much as there was an earlier jibe about ‘diluting the brand’, the way you conduct yourself as a creator is very much an integral part of the product you hope people buy. It’s no different for Nike and their use of cheap labour, of those electronic musicians that buy ‘likes’ on Soundcloud and Facebook.
Speaking personally, I prefer to put my creative energies into to products I sell rather than working out sales tactics. Having built up close to 32K followers on Soundcloud, I can honestly say that I’ve done this organically and by word of mouth. If you make you money as a creator you really do get back what you put in.
I purchase apps from the likes of Fred Anton Corvest because I can see he pours all his creative powers into the quality of what he releases. I’d never say that I ‘insta-buy’ his apps but I have a strong sense of the quality assurance standards Anton places on himself. And that means the FAC brand is worth more to me than some other independents that behave differently.
I think your problem is the aesthetics of how 4Pockets sells itself. 4Pockets apps, I agree, have a brand image that is a little … junky? The price bouncing is purely to game algorithms on app-sales sites. 4Pockets is always a top hit. Is that tacky? It certainly doesn’t feel “boutique” the way FAC does or, for that matter, Teenage Engineering or Elektron. I don’t particularly like the 4Pockets UX, either. But I don’t see a developer who works harder or is as consistently innovative as Paul is.
It’s a weird area, how apps we buy contribute to our self-image as artists. Paul is a volume guy, which is at odds with my highly refined and idiosyncratic style. (/s) But he churns out excellent tutorials with that crazy voice-over. And he really listens to his users. Still, it doesn’t feel like using these apps inspires the muse, exactly.
But if you’re selling things and not concerning yourself with “sales tactics,” I think you’re either independently wealthy or you’re a hobbyist.
( double post)
I wasn't talking directly about 4Pockets in that last post. And design aesthetics have no bearing on whether I appreciate an app developer or not. A developer who's thoughtful regarding interaction design and UX is very much the design criteria I look for. But quite often the form following function nature of software design can be aesthetically pleasing too.
I'm neither. And you get me wrong, of course I'm concerned with sales. But I do attempt to avoid the grittier end of internet marketing.
@jonmoore, pls post your SoundCloud link!
Not sure if that was sarcasm or not but here goes:
https://soundcloud.com/leftside-wobble
I feel like there are some developers who build for the hobbiests that like to buy and build things like legos. Maybe that’s the bigger market on iOS. There are a handful of developers that make apps that almost disappear when using them. You’re not just tapping glass, you’re in it with an overwhelming sense of presence.
@jonmoore good stuff, I think I came across your tracks long ago when the dhhistory forum was a thing. Even played a few out.
Haha, not sarcasm at all! I have to admit, tho, I was hoping you had garnered 32k for your own music.
I wanted to hear that since you’re a great forum contributor. Still, a cool accomplishment and some great music.
I'm a DJ. I'm known for remixing other peoples music. If you remember back, we had an offline conversation ref my remix of Roxy Music's '2HB' (it was the 4th remix project that Bryan Ferry asked me to do).
There's a lot of original tracks too amongst the 220 I have publicly available on Soundcloud right now (there are over a hundred private tracks too, I rotate them as I don't want my page to feel like a radio station that always plays the same tracks). But remixes and reworks make up the bulk of my output.
Thanks. Bill Brewster's played my stuff from the earliest releases and I recently supplied the guest mix for the last of his Paradise Farage sessions (an almighty effort of DIY clubbing via web stream during the COVID lockdown). The man's a legend!
I really miss the DJ History Forum, the perfect place to go record shopping without leaving the house.
His Last Night A DJ Saved My Life book somehow ends up in my summer reading list on a regular basis, even though it's been read far too many times already.
Yea I want some discussions, that’s kind of the point. Oh it’s on sale… how’s that app? Etc… it’s just when it gets to be too many posts about something that doesn’t necessarily pertain to the topic and rightfully deserves its own thread.
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