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Hardware controller for Drambo

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  • edited May 2022

    @Gravitas said:
    @rs2000

    Intech have got some really cool stuff.

    I'm seriously looking at the 16 x 16 number and as
    they are modular in concept you can add more as you go along.

    https://intech.studio/

    Hmm. That's a lot of money for what you get.
    Do you know this presonus controller?

    Now we only need to wait another 2 years for sequencer mapping and parameter feedback in Drambo 😁

  • @rs2000 said:

    @Gravitas said:
    @rs2000

    Intech have got some really cool stuff.

    I'm seriously looking at the 16 x 16 number and as
    they are modular in concept you can add more as you go along.

    https://intech.studio/

    Hmm. That's a lot of money for what you get.
    Do you know this presonus controller?

    Yes, I do in actual fact.
    I've been looking at it alongside Novation Circuit.

    I've already got four midi controllers and a keyboard that I'm considering
    removing the keyboard from and keeping only the panel with the encoders on.
    Removing the keys will necessitate building some sort of case
    to make it presentable hence why I haven't done it yet.
    It's an 88 key midi controller.
    The Intech controllers are small, neat and I can get precisely what I need.
    If there was something similar which was more affordable
    then I would certainly be interested but all of the really small
    format controllers are simply super expensive.

    I saw one company on eBay that was selling a couple of midi faders
    for the price of a Launchpad mini mk3 or thereabouts.
    Go figure.

    Now we only need to wait another 2 years for seuencer mapping and parameter feedback in Drambo 😁

    Only two years?
    There's hope.
    Lololol 😁

  • @wim said:
    This is encouraging me to back to my custom controller designing rat hole. The problem with custom builds is making them for enough below the cost of comparable off the shelf product to make it worthwhile. The cost of this one puts that within reach.

    This is so much fun but it is a never ending hole. I also had my last one fail while on the road, which didn't make for a fun set that time. Because of this, I just script off the shelf stuff now. Far easier to just grab another whatever from whatever local guitar center and throw a Mozaic instance at it.

  • @AlmostAnonymous said:

    @wim said:
    This is encouraging me to back to my custom controller designing rat hole. The problem with custom builds is making them for enough below the cost of comparable off the shelf product to make it worthwhile. The cost of this one puts that within reach.

    This is so much fun but it is a never ending hole. I also had my last one fail while on the road, which didn't make for a fun set that time. Because of this, I just script off the shelf stuff now. Far easier to just grab another whatever from whatever local guitar center and throw a Mozaic instance at it.

    Yep. There's no practical purpose in it other than making me feel like my 3d printer wasn't a total waste of money :D .

    No way I'd rely on anything I constructed myself in a live situation.

  • Always thought this would be a good candidate to script for Drambo. Class compliant audio interface built in, too:

    https://www.hercules.com/en-us/product/herculesp32dj/

  • @wim said:

    @AlmostAnonymous said:

    @wim said:
    This is encouraging me to back to my custom controller designing rat hole. The problem with custom builds is making them for enough below the cost of comparable off the shelf product to make it worthwhile. The cost of this one puts that within reach.

    This is so much fun but it is a never ending hole. I also had my last one fail while on the road, which didn't make for a fun set that time. Because of this, I just script off the shelf stuff now. Far easier to just grab another whatever from whatever local guitar center and throw a Mozaic instance at it.

    Yep. There's no practical purpose in it other than making me feel like my 3d printer wasn't a total waste of money :D .

    No way I'd rely on anything I constructed myself in a live situation.

    I have to refrain from getting a 3d printer. There's always something to print.

  • @AlmostAnonymous said:

    @wim said:

    @AlmostAnonymous said:

    @wim said:
    This is encouraging me to back to my custom controller designing rat hole. The problem with custom builds is making them for enough below the cost of comparable off the shelf product to make it worthwhile. The cost of this one puts that within reach.

    This is so much fun but it is a never ending hole. I also had my last one fail while on the road, which didn't make for a fun set that time. Because of this, I just script off the shelf stuff now. Far easier to just grab another whatever from whatever local guitar center and throw a Mozaic instance at it.

    Yep. There's no practical purpose in it other than making me feel like my 3d printer wasn't a total waste of money :D .

    No way I'd rely on anything I constructed myself in a live situation.

    I have to refrain from getting a 3d printer. There's always something to print.

    Needs lipstick.

  • I like the Korg PadKontrol a lot for Drambo. They’re very cheap used and the X/Y pad is fun. Easily to make custom “scenes” without having to read a manual.

    I have the piano tuner coming tomorrow so had to get everything off it and am trying out this stripped down setup:

  • Nice CP @BroCoast! 😍

  • @rs2000 said:
    Nice CP @BroCoast! 😍

    Thanks, it’s become pretty wonky so I am looking forward to it being tuned up.

    Here it is through my JC120:

    I just threw an SM7 vaguely in front of the amp so it’s not the best recording.

  • Oh how I love that sound @BroCoast 😃
    Thanks for the sound bite!

  • @Gravitas said:

    @ghost_forests said:
    @Gravitas where did you get those blank template things for your Launch Control XL?

    Two companies provide them as fas as I know.

    One is called Novalays whom you can find via EBay and Instagram.
    I had asked them for wipeable overlays and they now offer them as standard.
    That's the one you can see in the video and the other is Taktility
    whom I'm about to order from as well.

    Here's their link.

    https://www.taktility.com/overlays/launch-control-xl/

    Both companies do overlays for other midi controllers and gear.

    Have a look.

    Awesome thanks man

  • @Gravitas said:
    I have an LP X and an LC XL which pair up quite nicely.
    Flexible enough for most projects and feel comfortable
    to produce and perform with.

    I have 1/2 of that setup -- just got the LaunchControl XL. I'm really interested to know how you decided to map yours?
    Nice to see that I can map up to 8x User and 8x templates (8 banks each).

    Not sure if any of the key combinations described for Ableton can work. Would be nice to map a "track left / track right" like Drambo has with sequencer. Just got the control, open to any recommendations/discussions!

    (Big fan of old Faderfox controls, but my they are steep!)

  • @rs2000 said:
    Nice CP @BroCoast! 😍

    Ditto 🤩

  • I had a breakthrough with Drambo controllers today. I’ve been using an OP-1 and a NanoKontrol2 and it’s great, but the cable spaghetti is a mess: Kingston Nucleum hub, regular USB hub, cables for everything including power. And the Nucleum sprouts connections from both sides, which makes it worse.

    Then I remembered I have a big 20,000mAh battery pack that can also pass data. It has one USB-C port (iPad), and two USB-A ports (OP-1 and NanoKontrol).

    Works an absolute treat. I think I will make a little tray stand for this setup. It works quite well.

  • @mistercharlie said:
    I had a breakthrough with Drambo controllers today. I’ve been using an OP-1 and a NanoKontrol2 and it’s great, but the cable spaghetti is a mess: Kingston Nucleum hub, regular USB hub, cables for everything including power. And the Nucleum sprouts connections from both sides, which makes it worse.

    Then I remembered I have a big 20,000mAh battery pack that can also pass data. It has one USB-C port (iPad), and two USB-A ports (OP-1 and NanoKontrol).

    Works an absolute treat. I think I will make a little tray stand for this setup. It works quite well.

    I'm currently looking for a big battery pack for my iPad, and also a USB hub. What brand and model of hub / battery do you have @mistercharlie?

  • @BroCoast said:
    I like the Korg PadKontrol a lot for Drambo. They’re very cheap used and the X/Y pad is fun. Easily to make custom “scenes” without having to read a manual.

    I have the piano tuner coming tomorrow so had to get everything off it and am trying out this stripped down setup:

    dude I sort of hate you and love you for your excellent taste and collection of gear.

  • @REkzkaRZ said:

    @Gravitas said:
    I have an LP X and an LC XL which pair up quite nicely.
    Flexible enough for most projects and feel comfortable
    to produce and perform with.

    I have 1/2 of that setup -- just got the LaunchControl XL. I'm really interested to know how you decided to map yours?
    Nice to see that I can map up to 8x User and 8x templates (8 banks each).

    Not sure if any of the key combinations described for Ableton can work. Would be nice to map a "track left / track right" like Drambo has with sequencer. Just got the control, open to any recommendations/discussions!

    (Big fan of old Faderfox controls, but my they are steep!)

    I normally use Factory Scene 1 as the main mixer when I'm using the default Template.
    I have done extensive mapping for projects including
    Templates for some of the synths I've designed in dRambo.
    Here's one of the maps.
    This particular synth has two pages of mappings.

  • edited January 2023

    @Gravitas hey how do you actually map templates on the XL? I’ve had mine a couple of years or so now and have absolutely no idea, there doesn’t appear to be any documentation I can find, and I’m a complete noob when it comes to this sort of thing. I can map the faders and pots just fine, but when it comes to the templates, etc I just don’t know quite what to do, like what are the factory templates and how do I access them, let alone set up my own

  • @ghost_forests said:
    @Gravitas hey how do you actually map templates on the XL? I’ve had mine a couple of years or so now and have absolutely no idea, there doesn’t appear to be any documentation I can find, and I’m a complete noob when it comes to this sort of thing. I can map the faders and pots just fine, but when it comes to the templates, etc I just don’t know quite what to do, like what are the factory templates and how do I access them, let alone set up my own

    The Factory Scenes themselves are generic except
    for Factory Scene 7 which caters for Fruity Loops.

    The ones you can set for yourself are User Scenes 1-8.
    I use Midi Synth Control on iOS for the user scenes but obviously you can use Components.

    When using dRambo I don't bother with changing the default messages
    on the LC XL and I use Midi Mapping in dRambo to map the modules etc to the LC XL.

    To change scenes press either "User" or "Factory" on the top right hand
    of the LC XL together with the pad for the template/scene/channel you need.

    For instance if you need to send midi messages
    on channel 7 then you would press "User" + Pad 7.

    If you need to send midi messages on channel 12 then you press "Factory" + Pad 4.

    User Scenes are midi channels 1-8
    Factory Scenes are midi channel 9-16

  • @Gravitas @ghost_forests , we should break off a Launch Control XL thread! Its a cool interface, right?

    I notice Gravitas left off those right side buttons. They have special purpose on Ableton Live, but with Drambo they are just buttons. So I map those to play / record and previous/next for Drambo's sequencer.

    But I wish someone (helloOoOoo?) would figure out how to make those work in Drambo too.

    Last -- i use Factory 1 to do main mix also, have it as pan/mix a/mix b per channel & I keep far right strip as master. I rarely have more than 5x tracks in Drambo, so i could map bus a/bus b also, but havent done that (yet).

    Things get wild when mapping other scenes to do more. I should get more standardized (makes easier to remember!!!), but I haven't yet. But generally User 1 gets mapped to multiple FX knobs (all over Drambo).

    Toggling from User 1 & Factory 1 seems easier for some reason than User 1-8 or Factory 1-8.

    Ive never had the patience to map more than User1 / Factory 1. Has anyone EVER used all 8/8?!? That would take so much time!!!

    But if there was a way to auto-magically map all those knobs, wow! Minds would be blown, right!?!

  • With a bit of luck, his life was ruined forever. Always thinking that just behind some narrow door [in all of their studios], men in red woolen shirts are getting incredible kicks from things he’ll never know.

  • @REkzkaRZ said:
    @Gravitas @ghost_forests , we should break off a Launch Control XL thread! Its a cool interface, right?

    I notice Gravitas left off those right side buttons. They have special purpose on Ableton Live, but with Drambo they are just buttons. So I map those to play / record and previous/next for Drambo's sequencer.

    But I wish someone (helloOoOoo?) would figure out how to make those work in Drambo too.

    Last -- i use Factory 1 to do main mix also, have it as pan/mix a/mix b per channel & I keep far right strip as master. I rarely have more than 5x tracks in Drambo, so i could map bus a/bus b also, but havent done that (yet).

    Things get wild when mapping other scenes to do more. I should get more standardized (makes easier to remember!!!), but I haven't yet. But generally User 1 gets mapped to multiple FX knobs (all over Drambo).

    Toggling from User 1 & Factory 1 seems easier for some reason than User 1-8 or Factory 1-8.

    Ive never had the patience to map more than User1 / Factory 1. Has anyone EVER used all 8/8?!? That would take so much time!!!

    But if there was a way to auto-magically map all those knobs, wow! Minds would be blown, right!?!

    I actually use the side buttons like any of the other buttons.
    I generally map them to cycle, loop, pattern up and pattern down
    when using Factory scene 1 as mixer.

    My current configuration is actually quite intensive.

    Factory scene 1 is for the mixer and effects trigger.
    Factory scene 2 is a 16 step sequencer for my Behringer Crave
    with cut off freq and pitch per step control using the knobs and faders.

    User scenes 1-6 is for editing the sounds on the Korg Volca Drum.
    User scene 7+8 is for the Korg NTS-1 and that is for a 16 step sequencer
    and can toggle between the 16 step sequencer, Arpeggiator and midi thru.
    The knobs are for cutoff freq , note length, Shape and Alt for the NTS-1.
    I’m now about to map on Factory scene 3 the controls to edit the Korg NTS-1
    as I’ve further developed the patch editor that I put up on patchstorage
    not to long ago.

    For the LC XL to automagically be mapped it needs a project actually set for it it seems.
    I’m currently thinking about ways to do it.
    I think it will need sysex exclusive messages rather than using just midi notes and cc messages.

  • my favourite controller for performing with Drambo is the Faderfox UC4

    for producing, i tend to use the NanoKey Studio. I select the Drambo channel I want to record to and use the keys to do melodies and rhythms. the knobs are useful as ad hoc controls that I set when needed to record automation or for tweaking a control to find the right spot.

    here's a jam using the UC4:

    I also use the LCXL for jams that require more knobs, these videos have some notes on screen which explain my process a bit more. AUM is the host in this case but Drambo is sequencing everything. Considering the discussion above, there might be some food for thought in the onscreen notes here:

    In the past I have also used the Numark DJ2GO2 Touch as a controller for Drambo, here's a quick vid I made about that set-up:

    to be honest, I haven't used the Numark with Drambo much recently, but maybe it will match someone's workflow

  • @drewinnit Wow, you haven't even used the DJ wheels for scratching in Drambo? 😉

  • @rs2000 said:
    @drewinnit Wow, you haven't even used the DJ wheels for scratching in Drambo? 😉

    :D that's my secret side-project...DJ Drambo on the wheels of plastic

  • @drewinnit This controller type works for scratching in Flexi (Works with my Hercules DJ controller but it should be the same with yours):

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