DrumPerfect Pro recent update: new features and new packs

TheOriginalPaulB

@wim said:

@FlowingRobes said:
Hi,
Was kinda excited about per sample group velocity tuning. I have DPP and in making my own kits for playing on my ekit ,this new feature is one I really needed.
Alas it now requires iOS 13+....and my iPad air 1 can't do 13. Wished they had noted that in the update notes. So @Gilbert ,what is the feature that requires ios13?
Thanks

I don't claim to speak for the developer, but specific program features aren't always what's dependent on an iOS version, but, rather the underlying libraries, API calls, classes and objects used to produce features that are introduced in later iOS versions. Each major OS version introduces new features that can be called to make adding features easier. In some cases features that weren't possible in previous releases are introduced, but often it's just plumbing that can work better. Sooner or later things start to be introduced that are attractive enough to make it worthwhile to up the minimum version supported.

Also, supporting older versions becomes more and more difficult as time goes on. Developers can't usually have a bunch of non-upgraded hardware around to do testing on, and beta testers with those versions become harder come by. So, they have to resort to Xcode's simulators. For the most part these seem to be pretty good, but for touch-based apps aren't ideal as they run on a non touch-screen Mac. They also take a lot of storage and a lot of time to download and test with.

If you're interested, take a look at some of the release notes for various versions. https://developer.apple.com/documentation/ios-ipados-release-notes

You don't need to understand the technical details much to see that there are substantial changes between OS versions. Programmers have to deal with these all the time, and each supported version introduces potential for issues and incompatibilities.

It’s quite possible it’s a switch to a new version of the iOS development tools. Apparently the latest ones default to building apps that only run on iOS13 onwards and you have to jigger around with config files to support older versions.

Gilbert

@tja, @Johnba , @MeatWalrus, @McD, @Pierre, @White , @JohnnyGoodyear, @gusgranite, @Philandering_Bastard , @Fitz , @Telstar5 and many others

Thanks to all! But concerning the app development, the credit goes mainly to @Marinus! As you know!
Though we work in close cooperation.
Users feedback and support is key to meaninful development too!
So, please let us know which topic (s) you would like to see in video tutorials. Time to dissipate the TLCS ("tough learning curve syndrome") associated with DPP 😉

Wrlds2ndBstGeoshredr

@Gilbert said:

So, please let us know which topic (s) you would like to see in video tutorials. Time to dissipate the TLCS ("tough learning curve syndrome") associated with DPP 😉

That would require a total UI rewrite. Great app; I’ve recommended it on here many times. But it is so very non-intuitive and opaque and hard to figure out, and it doesn’t take advantage of the touch screen.

audiblevideo

@Gilbert the handpan is something I’ve wanted for a while. I didn’t think DPP was going to be the one to give it to me.

The mutes for the AU are a super idea. Thank you.

Charlesalbert

@Wrlds2ndBstGeoshredr said:

@Gilbert said:

So, please let us know which topic (s) you would like to see in video tutorials. Time to dissipate the TLCS ("tough learning curve syndrome") associated with DPP 😉

That would require a total UI rewrite. Great app; I’ve recommended it on here many times. But it is so very non-intuitive and opaque and hard to figure out, and it doesn’t take advantage of the touch screen.

Must understand how to use it. I have to admit that Since i’ve bought it I never studied enough and it’s not so intuitive. Gonna buy some iap e try again 👏

Philandering_Bastard

@Gilbert said:

@tja, @Johnba , @MeatWalrus, @McD, @Pierre, @White , @JohnnyGoodyear, @gusgranite, @Philandering_Bastard , @Fitz , @Telstar5 and many others

Thanks to all! But concerning the app development, the credit goes mainly to @Marinus! As you know!
Though we work in close cooperation.
Users feedback and support is key to meaninful development too!
So, please let us know which topic (s) you would like to see in video tutorials. Time to dissipate the TLCS ("tough learning curve syndrome") associated with DPP 😉

Being the resident idiot, I’d like a few bite-sized tutorials (5 - 10) minutes that go over each tab of the UI (song, kit etc.) in sequence. Perhaps dwell a bit on UI conventions. What’s the difference between Drummer and Audience views?

Gilbert

@Philandering_Bastard said:

@Gilbert said:

@tja, @Johnba , @MeatWalrus, @McD, @Pierre, @White , @JohnnyGoodyear, @gusgranite, @Philandering_Bastard , @Fitz , @Telstar5 and many others

Thanks to all! But concerning the app development, the credit goes mainly to @Marinus! As you know!
Though we work in close cooperation.
Users feedback and support is key to meaninful development too!
So, please let us know which topic (s) you would like to see in video tutorials. Time to dissipate the TLCS ("tough learning curve syndrome") associated with DPP 😉

Being the resident idiot, I’d like a few bite-sized tutorials (5 - 10) minutes that go over each tab of the UI (song, kit etc.) in sequence. Perhaps dwell a bit on UI conventions. What’s the difference between Drummer and Audience views?

Ok, that sounds like a well defined request. A series of short tuts, overview of each tab of the menu ( each view ).
Noted.

About the Drummer versus Audience view: just a 180° shift of the sound image.
Drummer = the drums heard from the drummer seat.
Audience = drums heard from the audience seat!

Santosgera

Would not have how to include individual paterns as AUv3? I use only a few paterns for me to follow the guitar. I have to save each standard that I want to use as a music.

Gilbert

@Santosgera said:
Would not have how to include individual paterns as AUv3? I use only a few paterns for me to follow the guitar. I have to save each standard that I want to use as a music.

Do you mean that you would like to only play some individual patterns in the AUv3 player to accompany you when you play the guitar?
You could do it quickly this way:
let's say you have patterns like: Bossa_01, Bossa_02, Bossa_03....
1- go to Song view and start with a blank song

2 - insert pattern Bossa_01 as a first bar.....
..... and Save as... with the name of your pattern ( or anything else ).

3 - Select the song pattern Bossa_01… and replace by Bossa_02
Then....... Save as.... Bossa_02

4 - continue the same way for the remaining patterns

5 - Each of these mini songs will appear in the AUv3 preset list. Choose the one you like, press Loop and...
play with the guitar. You can change the preset at any time.

You can adjust the BPM from the host.

Santosgera

@Gilbert said:

@Santosgera said:
Would not have how to include individual paterns as AUv3? I use only a few paterns for me to follow the guitar. I have to save each standard that I want to use as a music.

Do you mean that you would like to only play some individual patterns in the AUv3 player to accompany you when you play the guitar?
You could do it quickly this way:
let's say you have patterns like: Bossa_01, Bossa_02, Bossa_03....
1- go to Song view and start with a blank song

2 - insert pattern Bossa_01 as a first bar.....
..... and Save as... with the name of your pattern ( or anything else ).

3 - Select the song pattern Bossa_01… and replace by Bossa_02
Then....... Save as.... Bossa_02

4 - continue the same way for the remaining patterns

5 - Each of these mini songs will appear in the AUv3 preset list. Choose the one you like, press Loop and...
play with the guitar. You can change the preset at any time.

You can adjust the BPM from the host.

Thank you! Is what I've been doing. I thought that there was a way more practice. Thank you, in any way!

Wrlds2ndBstGeoshredr

@Gilbert said:

@Santosgera said:
Would not have how to include individual paterns as AUv3? I use only a few paterns for me to follow the guitar. I have to save each standard that I want to use as a music.

Do you mean that you would like to only play some individual patterns in the AUv3 player to accompany you when you play the guitar?
You could do it quickly this way:
let's say you have patterns like: Bossa_01, Bossa_02, Bossa_03....
1- go to Song view and start with a blank song

2 - insert pattern Bossa_01 as a first bar.....
..... and Save as... with the name of your pattern ( or anything else ).

3 - Select the song pattern Bossa_01… and replace by Bossa_02
Then....... Save as.... Bossa_02

4 - continue the same way for the remaining patterns

5 - Each of these mini songs will appear in the AUv3 preset list. Choose the one you like, press Loop and...
play with the guitar. You can change the preset at any time.

You can adjust the BPM from the host.

It would be better to be able to drag patterns onto the timeline and rearrange them by dragging. There should be no need for insert buttons.

JohnnyGoodyear

@Gilbert said:

@Philandering_Bastard said:

@Gilbert said:

@tja, @Johnba , @MeatWalrus, @McD, @Pierre, @White , @JohnnyGoodyear, @gusgranite, @Philandering_Bastard , @Fitz , @Telstar5 and many others

Thanks to all! But concerning the app development, the credit goes mainly to @Marinus! As you know!
Though we work in close cooperation.
Users feedback and support is key to meaninful development too!
So, please let us know which topic (s) you would like to see in video tutorials. Time to dissipate the TLCS ("tough learning curve syndrome") associated with DPP 😉

Being the resident idiot, I’d like a few bite-sized tutorials (5 - 10) minutes that go over each tab of the UI (song, kit etc.) in sequence. Perhaps dwell a bit on UI conventions. What’s the difference between Drummer and Audience views?

Ok, that sounds like a well defined request. A series of short tuts, overview of each tab of the menu ( each view ).
Noted.

About the Drummer versus Audience view: just a 180° shift of the sound image.
Drummer = the drums heard from the drummer seat.
Audience = drums heard from the audience seat!

Adding a hearty second to a) being an idiot and b) loving the idea of some bite-sized tuts for us boys with slow mouths etc.

Pxlhg

@Gilbert
I would like to see how that RD1 with '16 fills built in one' to variate between are built. That really are an awesome 4 bar masterpiece. I would like to build a few like that for various occasion and parts. Thanks.

wim

@gilbert - This might already exist, but if not, a tutorial exploring pedal hats vs. choke groups could be very useful. How-to of each, but especially examples what can be accomplished with pedal hats that you cannot with simple choke groups.

Before choke groups were added, it took me a lot of time to understand how to use pedal hats to accomplish what I normally did with choke groups. Once I understood it I appreciated the power and the potential for better realism.

yowza

@Gilbert @Marinus I hate to ask for tech support but I can’t find any contact info for DrumPerfect anywhere so... is there an issue with the sounds in the Afrobeat pack? This pack used to work fine but I’m not getting any sound out of the Afrobeat songs, kits or patterns, recently the only sound playing was a shaker and now there is no sound so something is wrong with the samples in that pack, I think. I have tried deleting this pack and reinstalled it with no luck. I have not tried deleting DP yet because I have imported a lot of midi patterns and don’t want to lose anything. Any ideas? Thanks!

yowza

Never mind I figured out how to backup DrumPerfect first, then deleted it and now after restoring the Afrobeat sounds are working again, something definitely got hosed.

Pxlhg

@yowza said:
Never mind I figured out how to backup DrumPerfect first, then deleted it and now after restoring the Afrobeat sounds are working again, something definitely got hosed.

Yeah, I also had some issues with packs not being seen but restore solved it. Contact form are at: http://www.drumperfect.nl/contact-form.html

@wim said:

@gilbert - This might already exist, but if not, a tutorial exploring pedal hats vs. choke groups could be very useful. How-to of each, but especially examples what can be accomplished with pedal hats that you cannot with simple choke groups.

Before choke groups were added, it took me a lot of time to understand how to use pedal hats to accomplish what I normally did with choke groups. Once I understood it I appreciated the power and the potential for better realism.

+1 Sounds very useful.

Gilbert

@Pxlhg said:
@Gilbert
I would like to see how that RD1 with '16 fills built in one' to variate between are built. That really are an awesome 4 bar masterpiece. I would like to build a few like that for various occasion and parts. Thanks.

The concept of 16 fills, randomly triggered, packed in a single pattern is based, as can be seen, on the Linked Set feature. A bit complicated to explain it in detail with words, so I might make later a video about it. Meanwhile you can start from this.

Basically linked sets ( LS ) are groups of strokes ( sets ), not limited to only one instrument, that share ( linked to ) one common stroke. This stroke can be a played stroke, velocity 0, or even a muted one, so anything can work. ( read more about LS in the user manual )

Then you have to create 16 different fills ( if possible with the same subdivision level to not complicate too much at the beginning ).
Start writing a simple fill, turn it to a LS, then make variations by adding strokes, and turn each to a different LS. At the end you can choose a common stroke that you add to each LS. If you make some of the fills more complex/dense, you could play them every 8 or 16 cycles, so change the value of "every... at..." accordingly.

You can make your own " auto fill " with different degrees of complexity ( adding probability, JAM Dynamics to increase/decrease complexity/intensity, and sample groups ) to cover any style of drumming. I don't know of any app on the market that offers this kind of feature open to the creative user.

A convenient way to just Append this AutoFill pattern (of your own design,) to any matching groove from which you have truncated at the end the length of your fill, and have it change each time it plays.

There are other ways to vary the fills but this is probably the most compact and flexible.

Gilbert

@yowza said:
Never mind I figured out how to backup DrumPerfect first, then deleted it and now after restoring the Afrobeat sounds are working again, something definitely got hosed.

👍

yowza

@Pxlhg said:

@yowza said:
Never mind I figured out how to backup DrumPerfect first, then deleted it and now after restoring the Afrobeat sounds are working again, something definitely got hosed.

Yeah, I also had some issues with packs not being seen but restore solved it. Contact form are at: http://www.drumperfect.nl/contact-form.html

I did try the contact form several times but it didn’t seem to work correctly using Safari iOS 13. Maybe the link isn’t working at the moment?

I think a video concentrating on each page of the buttons across the top is a great idea! Make sure to show ALL of the long press functions hidden on each page which I know are there somewhere.

Thanks!

Pxlhg

@Gilbert said:

@Pxlhg said:
@Gilbert
I would like to see how that RD1 with '16 fills built in one' to variate between are built. That really are an awesome 4 bar masterpiece. I would like to build a few like that for various occasion and parts. Thanks.

The concept of 16 fills, randomly triggered, packed in a single pattern is based, as can be seen, on the Linked Set feature. A bit complicated to explain it in detail with words, so I might make later a video about it. Meanwhile you can start from this.

Basically linked sets ( LS ) are groups of strokes ( sets ), not limited to only one instrument, that share ( linked to ) one common stroke. This stroke can be a played stroke, velocity 0, or even a muted one, so anything can work. ( read more about LS in the user manual )

Then you have to create 16 different fills ( if possible with the same subdivision level to not complicate too much at the beginning ).
Start writing a simple fill, turn it to a LS, then make variations by adding strokes, and turn each to a different LS. At the end you can choose a common stroke that you add to each LS. If you make some of the fills more complex/dense, you could play them every 8 or 16 cycles, so change the value of "every... at..." accordingly.

You can make your own " auto fill " with different degrees of complexity ( adding probability, JAM Dynamics to increase/decrease complexity/intensity, and sample groups ) to cover any style of drumming. I don't know of any app on the market that offers this kind of feature open to the creative user.

A convenient way to just Append this AutoFill pattern (of your own design,) to any matching groove from which you have truncated at the end the length of your fill, and have it change each time it plays.

There are other ways to vary the fills but this is probably the most compact and flexible.

Thanks for the reply, we'll see if I can teach myself this. I certainly have fun appending, merging so far I am reading the manual as well but my old brain is like syrup (read: stupid) sometimes and a video sequence you can repeat, if/when you don't follow the first time, would help a great deal.

garden

Can Drumperfect be loaded as an AUv3 unit into a host like AUM? Or only its “player” widget?

Gilbert

@garden said:
Can Drumperfect be loaded as an AUv3 unit into a host like AUM? Or only its “player” widget?

You create songs ( and patterns ) in Drumperfect Pro main app.
Then load instances of the player as Auv3 in AUM.
At that point no need to edit anymore; just load ( Presets ) and play.
Each instrument has its own audio out ( multi out ) so you can use effects per instrument.
Still you can keep the main app open, edit the song, save it or save as..., and reload the modified/new preset in the player.

MatthewKay

@garden said:
Can Drumperfect be loaded as an AUv3 unit into a host like AUM? Or only its “player” widget?

Only the player.