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Allen & Heath XONE 96: Has anybody tried it with an iPad?
Been eyeing the A&H Xone 96 mixer for awhile now and was wondering if anybody had tried to use the USB audio interface portion of the mixer with an iPad? Supposed to be “class compliant” with a mac. I searched extensively and couldn’t find any mention of it being tried? Nothing. I suspect it works, but I’d love to get confirmation......
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I'm with you on this one. Its class compliant, so it should work just fine. Ive been debating on picking one up with a couple k2's. Or some other dual usb DJ mixer and use 2 iPads. I currently have 3 iPads on a motu828, but really miss the hands on live feel of a DJ mixer.
I really can't justify the costs of DJ mixers tho. They're just absurdly priced.
But being the idiot I am, I'll probably pick one up. Running 1 pad for AUM/synths on usb1 and the 2nd ipad on usb2 for the aux send/effects....or something to that extent.
I'll let you know how my stupidity goes if it gets the best of me in the near future.
(also been looking at old Rane sixty four or sixty eight as they are dual usb and pretty cheap on the used market now to see if i like the workflow. also been looking at the px5's or 43c's, but i think i really wanna go dual usb)
Definitely keep me posted if you end up buying one, and I’ll do the same if I end up pulling the trigger.
And yes.... they’re stupid overpriced as far as mixer go. I could get a SSL X-Desk for the same price. Unfortunately there’s nothing else on the market that really has the same set of features (without cobbling together some Franken-mixer). I’m looking at the Xone 96 or Playdifferently Model 1. I like the Model 1 better but the dual USB functionality on the Xone 96 is super tempting. Solves a lot of problems (can have the ipad and computer at the same time in one convenient package.....at least thats the theory). Also allows me to a have a few hardware pieces connected (Microwave XTK, E-MU E4XT Ultra, OB-6, etc). MIDI can be routed freely between the two USB ports. BUT, for the asking price the USB really needs to work rock solid with my 12.9 Pro.
Cheers.
Discussion here, https://www.elektronauts.com/t/xone-96-mixer/57659/167 sounds promising. Only limits seem to be in the routing of the USB audio channels on the mixer side.
Good find👍🏻 Confirms what I suspected. That it will work, but on a somewhat basic level. Still very doable. Big thanks.
I know plenty of people who have/had the model 1, and not one of them would recommend them or consider the,selves happy with their decision. Most of them have spent more time getting them serviced than using them. The other are in the same boat of “this is just stupid expensive, I should have just gotten the xone”
Yeah, they are set in stone, but that routing can take place outside the mixer. But then again, DJ mixers really haven’t been known for routing flexibility
Curious how you are using 3 iPads with Motu 828?
1 as the master with usb (24 channels) and 2 via ADAT (8 channels each).
I use the minidsp usbstreamB for adat.
https://www.minidsp.com/products/usb-audio-interface/usbstreamer-box
Yeah..... The Model 1 does scare me in some respects. Sucks to hear about quality control issues. I’m no stranger to hi-end DJ mixers and hi-end analog consoles for that matter, but having to service it would be a nightmare. My main reasons I like it (in theory) over the Xone 96 is that it’s a pure analog mixer with no embedded USB interface. Makes it future proof in a way. I also prefer the balanced DB25 connectors. The Xone 96 is a WAY better value for the money though. Even at its current retail price. I’ve owned both the Xone 62 and 92 in past years (as well as having used many other Xone mixers) and really liked the overall sound quality.
Gotta sit down force myself to make a decision. Another factor is availability. Xone’s are very easy to get......
I mean..the 96 is analog with the exception of the usb sound card, which would be no different than having an external one connected to an iPad.
The other advantage to the 96, it will be standard fare for clubs and easy for your rider. Probably difficult for places to source a model1 for you.
I wish the DB4 was class compliant.
Again, I’m trying to talk myself outta it. I think it’s really just GAS I’m suffering from.
I could just get another interface for more input/output and do it all externally with any other plain DJ mixer....1 or 2 usb cables is nice tho, rather than 2u of interfaces and cabling.
I’ve been using my Xone96 for production with an iPad Pro and can confirm it works well and has a class compliant audio interface. My own use case could be considered overkill, but it’s a good time.
While it is impossible to route audio from interface one with interface two inside the Xone itself, there’s significant routing possibilities for MIDI between them. In practice, this means one can connect a computer running Ableton and the iPad simultaneously, and either can be used as your MIDI clock, controlling the other. (Pay special note of the interface titled “Xone 96 Partner” for this hand off.) The 5-pin MIDI out on the Xone works in kind.
I’ll often use Ableton as the master clock, with AUM sending to stereo channels 1-2, 3-4, 5-6, & 7-8 on the Xone. Returns A and B are each dedicated to two Eventide H9 sends. The 5-pin Midi goes to my Moog Mother32 & DFAM stack.
I have the Xone 96 Master Out going into Superanalogue channels 1 & 2 on an SSL Six, each hard panned left and right respectively, summing for eq and light compression. This output is sometimes joined by other instruments on the Six’s own stereo inputs and sent to my Motu 8A, and finally back into Ableton for printing.
I’ll add that another paradigm shift in my workflow happened when a friend put me on to the free app Multiband. Using three separate channels using the same source, I use Multiband to send my lower frequencies to Xone 1, mid freq to Xone 2, and high frequencies to Xone 3. This let’s you shape sounds in real time across your source’s spectrum using your Xone’s faders and EQ. It’s a good bit of fun to add whatever send effects you want to just part of the spectrum, too. For example, using Koshiba or Perforator to glitch out your midrange and print to its own clip.
Great
Thank you for sharing!
Genius idea with the hands-on multiband.
Does anybody know if the small
Xone mixers works with the iPad as well? Xone 23c ?
My main question I had is can iPad 2 sit on usb2 and have things sent to it in the aux send?
iPad 1 on usb 1 is primary sound source, iPad 2 on usb2 is most effects and 2ndary sound sources. If so, how is the latency?
From the sound card section of the manual it appear so, but confirmation before is always a plus. If it’s possible and it’s giving you 15ms latency and phasing all over........
Thanks for responding.
Unfortunately you cannot use either USB as a hardware effects send/return, as the RTN A and RTN B are from the line level inputs in the back. By selecting USB 2 on either return channel, you add a stereo input to that channel while losing a Return.
Not using it as a standard send/return, my thinking (to be a bit more clear):
USB1 input from iPad A to channel 1 on xone
Aux 1 send channel 1 on xone out USB2 to iPad 2
iPad2 sends back out USB2 channel 1 as audio
iPad 2 USB audio received as stereo pair on return channel 1 on USB2
Not really a send/receive loop, but more just like standard routing.
USB 1 in to usb2 out via aux
USB 2 Input to its own channel
More of an effects chain than affects loop just using aux sends as wet dry....
Right now my setup is iPad 1 into motu828 via usb and out adat to iPad2 (or iPad 3)
iPad 2 adat out into motu adat in to assignable output channel of MOTU
My latency here is under 10ms.
check.
I haven’t succeeded in doing anything like this so far. Both Send 1 and Send 2 are line level sends to outboard hardware and returnable on channels A and B only.
It could be lost in the terminology you’re using, but I think one should view each USB connection as a potential sound source or routing to print audio, but not a closed loop to process effects in real time.
If I’m wrong, someone help us out, because I’d love to use my iOS version of the FabFilter bundle to process whatever I want from Ableton!
This is another part I know is not possible. If Ch. 1 has USB 1 selected, you can’t use it simultaneously for any other input source. The rotary selector switch is the only option to select input.
I did some more digging in the manual. Send 2 does have the option to send digitally via channels 9/10. You’ll eat up another channel to get the processed audio back in, but it could be doable that way.
So send 1 can’t be sent usb at all?
I think the more I type the more I confuse everyone. :[
In the end, what I’m after is:
4 stereo pairs input from iPad 1(ch 1/2,3/4,5/6,7/8 main channels) on USB 1
2 stereo pair output to iPad 2 on send 1 and 2 on usb 2
2 stereo pair input from iPad 2 (ch 9/10,11/12 on channels a and b) on usb 2
I don’t need to switch inputs in the mixer itself....I can choose in AUM
Maybe I didn’t mention this would be a pure 2 AUM iPad setup....no traktor...no DJ software..
(Sorry for being a brainlet trying to comprehend and be 100% clear before I go spend my BidenBuxx. Returning stuff really isn’t an option for me due to location and shipping costs....not even around locally to try or buy. Nearest store that carries A&H is 2100 miles away)
@AlmostAnonymous I understand the versatility of the Xone96 and the live act feel that you can achieve with it. The 2 fx processors and the sound quality will be there for sure.
Just consider at this price a FaderFox (MX12 for instance ?) mapped to an AUM designed EQ to your existing setup...
It will take a bit of time to configure, and even if I believe the Xone is a really cool plug'n'play weapon of choice, it's really expensive...
http://faderfox.de/mx12.html
@MikeJett thanks for the tips, you've got a really cool config...
@Apex I guess biggest question for you is how portability and live session are necessary...For a minimal setup, 2 iPads + Xone96 sounds like a breathe...But how will you record your sessions ? Is printing multitrack is needed ? Won't you need an other mixer for additional gears ? (synths, mics, drum machine ?)
You have no idea how many of these things I have, let alone built.
The 96 is for live acts, not studio/production use for me.
I'm redesigning my live rig.
@AlmostAnonymous ok, so for a live performance, I'd go for the Xone...
For the gears...I guess I can imagine...
Now try putting all that on an airplane
We won't use airplane soon...
But yes, I see your point.
This is the studio setup, but it's natively modular. Meaning that I can take off my workflow, just the Clarett 4 USB, with an iPad on USB C, then, up to 3 other iPad as stereo pairs with the MDB-USB.
The SL49 Mk3 as my main additional sequencing controller / keyboard / mutli arpegio and Faderfox PC12 as a super EQ.
I also may add a mic if needed.
But for a crazy compact setup, sure Xone + 2 iPads is the way to go...(to start, because you'll always want to add gears...that's how I end up each time I want to reduce my set...)
I just ordered one to test with my Clarett 4 pre...So, no latency with this ?
I'd like to know if there's the same type of gear for a coaxial connection ?
Purpose is to also connect an iPad with it...This means I could get 3 iPads connected in numeric !
Thanks for your inputs !
I like that arrangement of iPads on the left, @crony. What are you using for the stands and mounting brackets, if you don’t mind my asking?
Theres a tiny bit, but nothing that can't be tweaked to minimize. No different if you're playing a dry drum loop on 1 source and send the same dry drum loop out a send and return and playing them at the same time. Mine is hovering around 5-6ms, at 256/48k. If you're recording into a DAW and working there (i don't but some people still use these things from an old paradigm called desktops), compensate in you DAW with a couple ms of delay on the needed channels and it'll sync right up.
Same question!
Sure ! The IK multimedia iKlip. They're robust and cheap !
https://www.amazon.fr/gp/product/B00L9EKJY8/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o03_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
And for the 2020 - 12'9 I'm using an old one (for iPad 3 ? or something...)
It's not perfectly fixed, but like this I can charge the pen, and the usb connector is not bugging me !
Thanks ! I think it's going to be great
I think I'm also getting one of these
https://www.thomann.de/fr/esi_u24_xl.htm
For the coaxial. I guess the ADAT is just a stereo out, but I'll test also...
Really too expensive for me...
Did you get the Xone 96 finally ?