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I don’t believe that ESI is class compliant. I remember looking at it long ago.
Not gonna use two ipads. It would be one ipad on one interface and my computer on the other. There’s plenty of analog channels on the 96 for gear. But if I need more I could get something like a Speck X-Sum or Rane SM82s, etc. as a sub-mixer. Now that it’s been confirmed that the soundcards will actually work with an ipad, I’m good. Plenty of options on the analog side of things (and I have 30+ years of engineering experience and lots of patchbays😃).
Many thanks everybody for confirming this will work. Now off to Reverb to spend stupid money on a DJ mixer 😳
Seems there's an advanced control panel, but seems also Class Compliant
https://www.manualslib.com/manual/453055/Esi-U24-Xl.html?page=14#manual
I'll check all that soon...
Ah yes...I know what it was now that turned me off of them after looking at the manual again.
Those aren’t ADAT ports. They are Toslink. Only a stereo pair, not the full 8 channels of ADAT. So that interface will only see 2 channels of the usbstreamer, which you’ll have to put in toslink mode.
Yeah, I’m fighting it myself now I got it verified as well. There’s some on eBay now (open box) for 1799 FYI. (US)
And I feel ya with the sm82s. I buy them whenever I see them for sale. Only the new ones tho....not the ones that are the RJ power connector. (And always missing the power supply)
Went down this rabbit hole a few years ago... I went with DB4 and just use an 8 ch audio interface to get noise into the mixer from iPad... (8 ch = 4 stereo)
I still debate going this route, but with a 16a to make use of sends and inserts. The thing that’s keeping me is the more I look at the DB4, the more cramped it becomes to me.
That and I still gotta cart more crap around. Current setup is 10x4u without a mixer. I think in a post COVID era, part of economic recovery for the music industry is going to be getting people to places cheap. They’re gonna be more hesitate now to pay for that 150lbs of checked baggage/gear when venues are gonna be at a fraction of capacity and income for the foreseeable future.
+1
And the Xone 96, OMHO, is the best (but expensive) alternative...I mimic a huge EQ+effect section with a Faderfox PC12, but it's not as stable as the Xone...and without DJ mixer proper features that are great to have for a live act...
And these filters...wow...
@AlmostAnonymous ok, for the ESI, it's fine for me to have it just stereo...I'll get soon 3 iPads on the Clarett 4 pre, with ADAT (so 8 tracks) to add some effects on the main iPad, and a third on the coaxial (in stereo)
I jut bought second had a A&H Xone 23C , so my fourth iPad will be on USB on this one, and the Clarett will go on the 2 input of my little Xone...I'll get the cue's and the filter
(not as good as the Xone 96...)
So finally
Xone 23C
Clarett
Stream USB-Adat
ESI 24X
I'm happy
Is all this running into a computer? Or this for standalone?
I still have some other stuff that’s ADAT (akai s6000 and a k2600).
When I bought my 828, I was letgit thinking of getting an https://motu.com/products/avb/lp32 and just an older 8x8 on it for output
I was actually leaning twards a https://rme-audio.de/digiface-usb.html .....and then the depression set in that it wasn’t class compliant.
I’m probably gonna just pull the trigger next week and get a 96. Trying to get hold of a couple buddies in the UK as 96s are about 600$US cheaper there than here, but Thoman says they can’t ship A&H to the states.
Standalone, I only use a computer while I work with a friend on some tracks, or for recording a voice sometimes, but I try not to use it.
I looked at the RME recently... couldn't think it wasn't class compliant !!! The LP32 seems far more interesting, and more expensive also...With an octopre that would be good to add some hardware...
Let us know how it goes while you get the 96
@AlmostAnonymous I've received the USB streamer ADAT, but at the moment, no luck to have any sound out of my iPad...
It see's it as an USB output stereo (just one stereo pair to choose) it seems working, but the Clarett does not receive any sound...(tested with the Focusrite control panel on my mac, making sure ADAT inputs are available...)
Well...I'll receive the ESI 24 tomorrow I think and test further...
Did you flash it with the adat firmware? Shipped I believe it’s in toslink mode.
@AlmostAnonymous THANKS ! I've updated, seing now 8 outputs (cool !) but no sound going into the Clarett...Seems all set correctly...
I've also received the Xone 23C, and it's really cool...
Tomorrow I'll get the ESI 24XL and see how it goes with the spdiff and Toslink...
@AlmostAnonymous ok, with the ESX 24XL, the spdiff works as expected into the Clarett.
Problem with the StreamerUSB is that it needs to be master ADAT slave configured into the Clarett but in this configuration, the Clarett won't lock the clock...
As internal, the Clarett can handle the spdiff, no issue.
Too bad for the ADAT, or at least a TosLink stereo pair...I'm using some jack to connect the 3rd iPad...
At least I have 3 iPads on the Clarett, the 4th on the Xone.
I'm good to send back the StreamerUSB, sell some unused stuffs...Still a good deal for me
Ot sure what you mean. Mine works on internal or external clock. That’s something else you need to set when you flash the adat firmware.
Also check yourr routing in the clar....
You can set the StreamUSB as slave connected on the iPad ?? I'm 100% sure of my routing with the Clarett...
I've tested both firmware
USBStreamer_Up_ADAT_v6_ID3.bin
USBStreamer_Up_ADAT_v6_ID4.bin
Also updated the low sample rate
USBStreamer_Up_LowRate_v4_ID6.bin
I'm going to test the other one...But seems irrelevant...
@AlmostAnonymous YEEEEEEEEESSSSSS IT WORKS !
Issue with the config of my Clarett....
I didn't want to have the playback all the time to be able to route all tracks into effects or cut them...
Dope , thanks a lot !!!!
The id3 and id4 are just separate firmwares for identification. You can have up to 2 on a computer. The 3rd won’t get recognized. This is only an issues going from a computer to an interface since hey can see more than 1 interface. You wouldn’t have an issue the other way cause he iPad only sees 1 interface.
I really with this was usb class compliant.....
@AlmostAnonymous @crony I'm looking at this for future: https://www.perfectcircuit.com/motu-lp32.html It's class complaint, so it should work with USB streamers. I have other audio interfaces which I might pair with it for routing multiple ADAT devices. Though I have debated getting a USB streamer too.
Can you connect 2 of the USB streamers on a PC or just MAC?
I almost got the LP instead of my 828es.
It’s 2 devices on a Mac or PC or device That’s them plugged into the USB ports on the pc.
That being said you can use 4 iPads connected to all 4 adat pairs on the lp32 and plug that into the computer. It’s only 2 per usb host.
I tried to ask them to write some additional IDs, and they said hey wwould be down, but to hit them up after COVID died down a bit.
I get a lot of questions about these devices and how I use them, setup, and use cases. I should probably write a guide and start it’s own thread
sorry, wrong post
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Here is some intersting disscussion Running a&h Mixers with Ipad and aum
https://www.elektronauts.com/t/xone-px5-most-underrated-mixer-review-tutorial/152330/2
Great find 👍🏻
Just for inspiration, I ended up with a Xone 23C and a Motu ultralight Mk5...
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I've also ordered a Typhon Dreadbox Limited that I'll include also as a synth but also as a kind of insert (for the filter) with the Motu (wonder how I'll handle the feedback loop, but I guess I'll find out
Great decision to run that motu. Also eying on it
Hope it’s ok to dig up this old thread - I can’t work out whether it is possible to use an iPad connected over USB as send effects for the mixer (running effects in AUM for example) or not? If it’s not (i.e. you need an audio interface connected to the iPad to connect it as send/return) I’ll probably get a second hand 92, that’s the only new feature I’m that interested in.
Can anyone comment if they can do this with their 96?
Sends can be done over usb
Hi Crony
May I ask: Are you satisfied with the Xone? Is the routing flexible? (To the iPad). And how is the converter quality?
Thanks
@128BPM hello ! I must say that I'm impressed with this mixer. I like the filter and sound of it.
Routing is quite simple : you may have 2 stereo channels from USB on the two channels of the mixer maximum.
Dead simple...