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Logic pro coming with new ipads?

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  • schsch
    edited March 2021

    @jblock said:
    I'd prefer to see GarageBand evolve a little more on the iPad. Better automation and a better mixer, to start.

    Absolutely, lose all the cutesy UI elements and the interminable screen effects when switching between windows etc. Allow more tracks and proper in/out options for MIDI and audio, and a more comprehensive mixer etc. I cannot imagine the work needed to port LPX, with its huge amount of options and minuscule controls to a touch-paradigm. It has to be an easier, and probably more productive process to upgrade GB iOS.

  • @jblock said:
    I'd prefer to see GarageBand evolve a little more on the iPad. Better automation and a better mixer, to start.

    Yes. A real mixer would be a big step up.

  • Certainly some UI elements would need to change, but logic has already been re-written from the ground up for apple's new m1 arm achitecture, which shares many similarities with ipados and ios. It wouldn't be as monumental as porting ableton, for instance.

  • @MobileMusic said:

    @ErrkaPetti said:

    @MobileMusic said:
    Just give me Final Cut Pro on iPad

    But, what’s missing most for you to use Lumafusion on iPad instead of using FCP on Mac?

    Using LF only on iPad but it is limited to only 6 tracks currently.

    Yeah, that’s a limitation...

    But, overall, fuckin’ great, especially on my newest iPad Pro 12.9” 2020 edition...

    I wish though that I could direcly import .mkv and .avi-files...

  • Logic Pro (and Final Cut) full versions running on iPad would make me very, very happy! :smiley:

    For my workflow, having all the ios apps side by side with these and all on touch screen would be really great.

  • @ion677 said:
    ... logic has already been re-written from the ground up for apple's new m1 arm achitecture, which shares many similarities with ipados and ios. It wouldn't be as monumental as porting ableton, for instance.

    That first part isn't accurate. It has been modified and compiled as necessary to run natively on M1. That's a far, far cry from re-writing from the ground up.

    The second part is accurate. Assuming it has been developed, and/or adapted to, Xcode, and compiles for M1 it is far closer to readiness for iOS.

  • This rumor has been out for awhile now.
    Sure, bring it on. I applaud any and all “pro” DAWs making the jump over to iOS (I own all the current crop of iOS DAWs). I’ll buy the hell out of iOS Logic. I’m pretty skeptical of it actually happening though.

  • edited March 2021

    @Apex said:
    This rumor has been out for awhile now.
    Sure, bring it on. I applaud any and all “pro” DAWs making the jump over to iOS (I own all the current crop of iOS DAWs). I’ll buy the hell out of iOS Logic. I’m pretty skeptical of it actually happening though.

    I don’t see full-blown Logic coming to iPad yet, but the new chips they’ve developed with TSMC (Taiwan Semiconductor) are monsters and I don’t doubt it is now possible to offer desktop class computing in an iPad.

  • Apple could take aspects GB iOS to Logic Pro levels of power...

    I suppose they’ve been waiting for other devs to step up to the plate first to give them a fighting chance.

    Because anything resembling Logic Pro on iOS would obliterate everyone else .

    But alas many iOS developers have said nahh

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  • @NeuM said:

    @Apex said:
    This rumor has been out for awhile now.
    Sure, bring it on. I applaud any and all “pro” DAWs making the jump over to iOS (I own all the current crop of iOS DAWs). I’ll buy the hell out of iOS Logic. I’m pretty skeptical of it actually happening though.

    I don’t see full-blown Logic coming to iPad yet, but the new chips they’ve developed with TSMC (Taiwan Semiconductor) are monsters and I don’t doubt it is now possible to offer desktop class computing in an iPad.

    I’m not doubting it can be done. I’m sure it can. There’s some incredibly brilliant and resourceful people out there (and on here). But making it worthwhile for the companies & developers is another matter entirely. People can’t expect a “desktop quality DAW” for a one time payment of $50. When people are willing to start paying for the endless updates and expensive development that DAWs require, then maybe we’ll see more big players jump into iOS. Not holding my breath.

    Personally, I’d pay full price for Ableton or Bitwig on an ipad.

  • wimwim
    edited March 2021

    @winconway said:
    Is Logic Pro full stack or do they use any open source libraries etc, Reaper will never make it to iOS for example because of licensing issues with some libraries, it is one of the main reason a lot of major DAWs will never crossover.

    It's Apple. I'm sure they've got all licensing sewed up tighter than a gnat's ass.

    I don't own Logic, but anyone that does could check in Logic > About Logic.

  • edited March 2021

    If Apple wants to make the iPad a true laptop killer then making sure their professional apps work on iPads is important. The whole idea of of M1 was to make the experience seamless across devices. ARM based Macs have been in the works for a long time. Eventually everything will be mobile. It is also financial brilliance, cutting down manufacturing costs and maximizing profits.

  • I can’t find anything on iOS that compares with Logic’s Alchemy. From my research Beatmaker3’s sampler is the best contender but still doesn’t come close for the kinds of stuff I like to do. Would love it if the full version of Alchemy made it’s way to iOS (not the stripped down version in GarageBand). There are some fantastic sample/granular apps for sure though... very innovative and inspiring.

  • edited March 2021

    The whole Apple lineup will be just screens in different sizes, all with the same Design. Like iPhone and iPad Air and Pro we will see iPad-like laptops (iPads with attached keyboards) and iPad like iMacs (hopefully with touch). Its pretty 'logical' that one would want all pro apps on all screens that are available to you or use all screens with one computer like Logic Remote. Like Korg Gadget which is beautiful to have on iOS, iPadOS and MacOS at the same time. Just one seamless environment with different access points.

  • @Doc_T said:
    The whole Apple lineup will be just screens in different sizes, all with the same Design. Like iPhone and iPad Air and Pro we will see iPad-like laptops (iPads with attached keyboards) and iPad like iMacs (hopefully with touch). Its pretty 'logical' that one would want all pro apps on all screens that are available to you or use all screens with one computer like Logic Remote. Like Korg Gadget which is beautiful to have on iOS, iPadOS and MacOS at the same time. Just one seamless environment with different access points.

    Bringing desktop apps to iPad would make iPads more valuable to users as they get to own apps for one time payment and get locked into the ecosystem. And Apple would make more revenue from regular sales of iPads (users upgrading iPads every few years) and iCloud storage and other services like gaming, streaming...

    2021 may see iPad Pro 12” in widescreen :smile: (and axe down iPad Pro 11”)

  • @ErrkaPetti said:

    @MobileMusic said:

    @ErrkaPetti said:

    @MobileMusic said:
    Just give me Final Cut Pro on iPad

    But, what’s missing most for you to use Lumafusion on iPad instead of using FCP on Mac?

    Using LF only on iPad but it is limited to only 6 tracks currently.

    Yeah, that’s a limitation...

    But, overall, fuckin’ great, especially on my newest iPad Pro 12.9” 2020 edition...

    I wish though that I could direcly import .mkv and .avi-files...

    I requested luma-touch to offer at least 10-12 tracks. They offered 6 tracks. Then I begged them to add just more one track so I won’t bother them for one year or offer two more tracks so I won’t bother them for two years; they laughed and said they are waiting for Apple to up iPad specs before they can add any more tracks to LF. Ptch!

  • @MobileMusic said:

    @ErrkaPetti said:

    @MobileMusic said:

    @ErrkaPetti said:

    @MobileMusic said:
    Just give me Final Cut Pro on iPad

    But, what’s missing most for you to use Lumafusion on iPad instead of using FCP on Mac?

    Using LF only on iPad but it is limited to only 6 tracks currently.

    Yeah, that’s a limitation...

    But, overall, fuckin’ great, especially on my newest iPad Pro 12.9” 2020 edition...

    I wish though that I could direcly import .mkv and .avi-files...

    I requested luma-touch to offer at least 10-12 tracks. They offered 6 tracks. Then I begged them to add just more one track so I won’t bother them for one year or offer two more tracks so I won’t bother them for two years; they laughed and said they are waiting for Apple to up iPad specs before they can add any more tracks to LF. Ptch!

    There is nothing like LF on iOS currently. Check out RobHK and LumaTouch channels -

    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCR4EXjl2MLY7i1ia_IsKXTA

    https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=lumafusion

    I have 40 or more issues and suggestions to report on it soon

  • @nickneek said:
    I've never used Logic and it's been a while since I used a desktop DAW.

    If it did come to iOS, what would it bring that isn't here already? Are there specific features? Is it more that we would have something approaching a 'real DAW' with a traditional workflow? Do we think it would encourage more development on the platform?

    This is an honest question. I am not saying that it wouldn't be a good thing, I'm just interested in how much of the game it would change.

    Melodyne

  • @MobileMusic said:

    @MobileMusic said:

    @ErrkaPetti said:

    @MobileMusic said:

    @ErrkaPetti said:

    @MobileMusic said:
    Just give me Final Cut Pro on iPad

    But, what’s missing most for you to use Lumafusion on iPad instead of using FCP on Mac?

    Using LF only on iPad but it is limited to only 6 tracks currently.

    Yeah, that’s a limitation...

    But, overall, fuckin’ great, especially on my newest iPad Pro 12.9” 2020 edition...

    I wish though that I could direcly import .mkv and .avi-files...

    I requested luma-touch to offer at least 10-12 tracks. They offered 6 tracks. Then I begged them to add just more one track so I won’t bother them for one year or offer two more tracks so I won’t bother them for two years; they laughed and said they are waiting for Apple to up iPad specs before they can add any more tracks to LF. Ptch!

    There is nothing like LF on iOS currently. Check out RobHK and LumaTouch channels -

    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCR4EXjl2MLY7i1ia_IsKXTA

    https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=lumafusion

    I have 40 or more issues and suggestions to report on it soon

    Intresting!

    40 or more issues?

    Can you tell some of the more severe issues for me?

    Perhaps I’m not as Pro as you are...

  • @tahiche said:
    @RedSkyLullaby

    I have used Auria for years and love it but it has become increasingly unstable for my workflow and I am worried they are not making enough income to warrant the amount of development work needed to keep it stable. I think a benefit of a logic on ipad would be the fairly strong guarantee of long term development

    100% agreed. Auria is superb but crashes frequently and the interface looks outdated. It’s a shame that there’s not enough business on iOS music. It’s also quite unfair that these devs can’t even make a living while Apple keeps 30% of their earnings.
    Do I want Logic on the iPad?. No, I don’t care. I want a proper workflow. Serious audio editing and mixing capabilities. I’d rather have a very capable NS2 , Zenbeats, BM3, mobileDaw or whatever already exists and have contributed so far. Would it be fair if Apple puts Intua out of business with a sparkling Logic after they’ve contributed enormously to iOS music and giving Apple profits in app sales and sold iPads?. No, it wouldn’t.
    If it was up to me, I’d go the AUM/modular route. Specialized apps that would greatly increase creativity. But again, it’s the market. There’s too many pieces missing (audio again) for a solid and pro workflow.

    I'll be interested to see what happens to the price of iOS apps once they have a mature OSx counterpart. I think that they pull the prices of iOS apps up after them.

  • @ashh said:

    @tahiche said:
    @RedSkyLullaby

    I have used Auria for years and love it but it has become increasingly unstable for my workflow and I am worried they are not making enough income to warrant the amount of development work needed to keep it stable. I think a benefit of a logic on ipad would be the fairly strong guarantee of long term development

    100% agreed. Auria is superb but crashes frequently and the interface looks outdated. It’s a shame that there’s not enough business on iOS music. It’s also quite unfair that these devs can’t even make a living while Apple keeps 30% of their earnings.
    Do I want Logic on the iPad?. No, I don’t care. I want a proper workflow. Serious audio editing and mixing capabilities. I’d rather have a very capable NS2 , Zenbeats, BM3, mobileDaw or whatever already exists and have contributed so far. Would it be fair if Apple puts Intua out of business with a sparkling Logic after they’ve contributed enormously to iOS music and giving Apple profits in app sales and sold iPads?. No, it wouldn’t.
    If it was up to me, I’d go the AUM/modular route. Specialized apps that would greatly increase creativity. But again, it’s the market. There’s too many pieces missing (audio again) for a solid and pro workflow.

    I'll be interested to see what happens to the price of iOS apps once they have a mature OSx counterpart. I think that they pull the prices of iOS apps up after them.

    Good point

  • edited March 2021

    @ErrkaPetti said:

    @MobileMusic said:

    @MobileMusic said:

    @ErrkaPetti said:

    @MobileMusic said:

    @ErrkaPetti said:

    @MobileMusic said:
    Just give me Final Cut Pro on iPad

    But, what’s missing most for you to use Lumafusion on iPad instead of using FCP on Mac?

    Using LF only on iPad but it is limited to only 6 tracks currently.

    Yeah, that’s a limitation...

    But, overall, fuckin’ great, especially on my newest iPad Pro 12.9” 2020 edition...

    I wish though that I could direcly import .mkv and .avi-files...

    I requested luma-touch to offer at least 10-12 tracks. They offered 6 tracks. Then I begged them to add just more one track so I won’t bother them for one year or offer two more tracks so I won’t bother them for two years; they laughed and said they are waiting for Apple to up iPad specs before they can add any more tracks to LF. Ptch!

    There is nothing like LF on iOS currently. Check out RobHK and LumaTouch channels -

    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCR4EXjl2MLY7i1ia_IsKXTA

    https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=lumafusion

    I have 40 or more issues and suggestions to report on it soon

    Intresting!

    40 or more issues?

    Can you tell some of the more severe issues for me?

    Perhaps I’m not as Pro as you are...

    Some issues and some suggestions like -

    The global volume fader needs to be locked! I accidentally touched it before uploading a video to YouTube without my knowledge (because it is at the left edge) and that resulted in low video volume which I noticed after publishing the video. Reuploading the video fetched very poor results because YT is not perfect. This happened twice. The volume fader should be readonly and made slidable only on demand and back to locked. This fader is rarely used (other than as a visual level indicator) because individual tracks have their own volume faders which are what mostly used.

    Touching or swiping in the timeline stops playback. This was working fine before but they changed the behavior unnecessarily. Too many taps and bad UX. Even Cubasis 3 continues playback even after undoing changes!

    Ability to drag and move automation key frames instead of having to delete and re-add them in new location.

    When using cross dissolve etc, it renders a few extra frames from the end/beginning of adjoining clips.

    Video and audio sync.

    Copy/paste of attributes for text layers does not work.

    Trash-Can for deleted projects to safeguard against accidental deletion of projects (already suggested over a year ago and they said it is a great idea).

    Grid view of project browser panel.

    Folders!

    More effects (already suggested some FX).

    And more. I’ll post the list on their forum when I get a moment.

  • With notation would be cool!

  • @MobileMusic said:

    @ErrkaPetti said:

    @MobileMusic said:

    @MobileMusic said:

    @ErrkaPetti said:

    @MobileMusic said:

    @ErrkaPetti said:

    @MobileMusic said:
    Just give me Final Cut Pro on iPad

    But, what’s missing most for you to use Lumafusion on iPad instead of using FCP on Mac?

    Using LF only on iPad but it is limited to only 6 tracks currently.

    Yeah, that’s a limitation...

    But, overall, fuckin’ great, especially on my newest iPad Pro 12.9” 2020 edition...

    I wish though that I could direcly import .mkv and .avi-files...

    I requested luma-touch to offer at least 10-12 tracks. They offered 6 tracks. Then I begged them to add just more one track so I won’t bother them for one year or offer two more tracks so I won’t bother them for two years; they laughed and said they are waiting for Apple to up iPad specs before they can add any more tracks to LF. Ptch!

    There is nothing like LF on iOS currently. Check out RobHK and LumaTouch channels -

    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCR4EXjl2MLY7i1ia_IsKXTA

    https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=lumafusion

    I have 40 or more issues and suggestions to report on it soon

    Intresting!

    40 or more issues?

    Can you tell some of the more severe issues for me?

    Perhaps I’m not as Pro as you are...

    Some issues and some suggestions like -

    The global volume fader needs to be locked! I accidentally touched it before uploading a video to YouTube without my knowledge (because it is at the left edge) and that resulted in low video volume which I noticed after publishing the video. Reuploading the video fetched very poor results because YT is not perfect. This happened twice. The volume fader should be readonly and made slidable only on demand and back to locked. This fader is rarely used (other than as a visual indicator) because individual tracks have their own volume faders which are what mostly used.

    Touching or swiping in the timeline stops playback. This was working fine before but they changed the behavior unnecessarily. Too many taps and bad UX. Even Cubasis 3 continues playback even after undoing changes!

    Ability to drag and move automation key frames instead of having to delete and re-add them in new location.

    When using cross dissolve etc, it renders a few extra frames from the end/beginning of adjoining clips.

    Video and audio sync.

    Copy/paste of attributes for text layers does not work.

    Trash-Can for deleted projects (already suggested over a year ago and they said it is a great idea).

    Grid view of files panel.

    Folders!

    More effects (already suggested some FX).

    And more. I’ll post the list on their forum when I get a moment.

    OK - yeah, when reading you list some of this show up in my mind, like ” Touching or swiping in the timeline stops playback” - that’s irritating!

    But, overall, for a video editing app on iPad it’s no other apps on iPad that is near Lumafusion...

    But, we still have to argue about the bugs and future requests...

  • @MobileMusic said:

    @ErrkaPetti said:

    @MobileMusic said:

    @MobileMusic said:

    @ErrkaPetti said:

    @MobileMusic said:

    @ErrkaPetti said:

    @MobileMusic said:
    Just give me Final Cut Pro on iPad

    But, what’s missing most for you to use Lumafusion on iPad instead of using FCP on Mac?

    Using LF only on iPad but it is limited to only 6 tracks currently.

    Yeah, that’s a limitation...

    But, overall, fuckin’ great, especially on my newest iPad Pro 12.9” 2020 edition...

    I wish though that I could direcly import .mkv and .avi-files...

    I requested luma-touch to offer at least 10-12 tracks. They offered 6 tracks. Then I begged them to add just more one track so I won’t bother them for one year or offer two more tracks so I won’t bother them for two years; they laughed and said they are waiting for Apple to up iPad specs before they can add any more tracks to LF. Ptch!

    There is nothing like LF on iOS currently. Check out RobHK and LumaTouch channels -

    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCR4EXjl2MLY7i1ia_IsKXTA

    https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=lumafusion

    I have 40 or more issues and suggestions to report on it soon

    Intresting!

    40 or more issues?

    Can you tell some of the more severe issues for me?

    Perhaps I’m not as Pro as you are...

    Some issues and some suggestions like -

    The global volume fader needs to be locked! I accidentally touched it before uploading a video to YouTube without my knowledge (because it is at the left edge) and that resulted in low video volume which I noticed after publishing the video. Reuploading the video fetched very poor results because YT is not perfect. This happened twice. The volume fader should be readonly and made slidable only on demand and back to locked. This fader is rarely used (other than as a visual indicator) because individual tracks have their own volume faders which are what mostly used.

    Touching or swiping in the timeline stops playback. This was working fine before but they changed the behavior unnecessarily. Too many taps and bad UX. Even Cubasis 3 continues playback even after undoing changes!

    Ability to drag and move automation key frames instead of having to delete and re-add them in new location.

    When using cross dissolve etc, it renders a few extra frames from the end/beginning of adjoining clips.

    Video and audio sync.

    Copy/paste of attributes for text layers does not work.

    Trash-Can for deleted projects (already suggested over a year ago and they said it is a great idea).

    Grid view of files panel.

    Folders!

    More effects (already suggested some FX).

    And more. I’ll post the list on their forum when I get a moment.

    After trying too many video editing apps, LF is far and away the best we have. I think it's great and have been using it to make multi-track instrumental videos. Specifically, I think it's great for syncing audio and video. I'm curious where you find the shortcoming there.

    One issue I have with LF is that I can't crop efficiently. For example, I want to crop a video diagonally. I can rotate the clip, but the cropping box rotates with it. I haven't figured out how to slice off anything without dragging a strict X/Y axis.

  • @Sabicas said:

    @MobileMusic said:

    @ErrkaPetti said:

    @MobileMusic said:

    @MobileMusic said:

    @ErrkaPetti said:

    @MobileMusic said:

    @ErrkaPetti said:

    @MobileMusic said:
    Just give me Final Cut Pro on iPad

    But, what’s missing most for you to use Lumafusion on iPad instead of using FCP on Mac?

    Using LF only on iPad but it is limited to only 6 tracks currently.

    Yeah, that’s a limitation...

    But, overall, fuckin’ great, especially on my newest iPad Pro 12.9” 2020 edition...

    I wish though that I could direcly import .mkv and .avi-files...

    I requested luma-touch to offer at least 10-12 tracks. They offered 6 tracks. Then I begged them to add just more one track so I won’t bother them for one year or offer two more tracks so I won’t bother them for two years; they laughed and said they are waiting for Apple to up iPad specs before they can add any more tracks to LF. Ptch!

    There is nothing like LF on iOS currently. Check out RobHK and LumaTouch channels -

    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCR4EXjl2MLY7i1ia_IsKXTA

    https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=lumafusion

    I have 40 or more issues and suggestions to report on it soon

    Intresting!

    40 or more issues?

    Can you tell some of the more severe issues for me?

    Perhaps I’m not as Pro as you are...

    Some issues and some suggestions like -

    The global volume fader needs to be locked! I accidentally touched it before uploading a video to YouTube without my knowledge (because it is at the left edge) and that resulted in low video volume which I noticed after publishing the video. Reuploading the video fetched very poor results because YT is not perfect. This happened twice. The volume fader should be readonly and made slidable only on demand and back to locked. This fader is rarely used (other than as a visual indicator) because individual tracks have their own volume faders which are what mostly used.

    Touching or swiping in the timeline stops playback. This was working fine before but they changed the behavior unnecessarily. Too many taps and bad UX. Even Cubasis 3 continues playback even after undoing changes!

    Ability to drag and move automation key frames instead of having to delete and re-add them in new location.

    When using cross dissolve etc, it renders a few extra frames from the end/beginning of adjoining clips.

    Video and audio sync.

    Copy/paste of attributes for text layers does not work.

    Trash-Can for deleted projects (already suggested over a year ago and they said it is a great idea).

    Grid view of files panel.

    Folders!

    More effects (already suggested some FX).

    And more. I’ll post the list on their forum when I get a moment.

    After trying too many video editing apps, LF is far and away the best we have. I think it's great and have been using it to make multi-track instrumental videos. Specifically, I think it's great for syncing audio and video. I'm curious where you find the shortcoming there.

    I was referring to automatic syncing of audio to video with one tap

  • @winconway said:
    Is Logic Pro full stack or do they use any open source libraries etc, Reaper will never make it to iOS for example because of licensing issues with some libraries, it is one of the main reason a lot of major DAWs will never crossover.

    I think you have misunderstood something. Or please point me to some resources about this problem. I think it is legally not possible to forbid the usage of open source software on an operating system. I’m also quite sure that this is not against the Apple guidelines. I would even say that the vast majority of apps on the App Store does contain open source software. Nowadays it is virtually impossible to write a complex application without it. I’m in the software industry for many many many years and I was also taking part in projects that included developing iOS apps and open source was never ever an issue and was used a lot in the apps.

  • edited March 2021

    Just my two cents for this topic...

    I think there are several aspects that keeps software developers away from offering pro software on the iPad. Definitely it’s not the processing power as modern iPad Pro models are on par with laptops.

    • low memory resources
    • the filesytem’s restrictions
    • the price points
    • the effort to redesign for touch UI

    The price points are probably the worst problem. If it’s low, you would cannibalize your desktop sales. If it’s high, probably not enough people would buy it. Moreover it would require an iPad Pro and I guess most iPad users don’t have a Pro. You would get all the bad reviews from non Pro users that your app sucks.

    All that could be solved but Apple would need to do something to establish an iOS pro software segment. Maybe that is the long term strategy behind iPadOS

  • My 2018 12.9 iPad Pro just died from a buggered USB-C jack, so no way to recharge, get data off etc, and then it proceeded to go into an infinite reboot loop!

    I'm looking very seriously about replacing it with the M1 MacBook Air, and simply run LPX there, giving up the endless search for the right combos of Hosts and AUv3 etc. in iOS.

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