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I interpret that somewhat differently: smartphones and tablets are now effectively mature devices, and there's simply not a market space for a radical redesign of the category, any more than there is for the laptop. Bear in mind that the current market-standard design of laptops is not essentially different from the MacBook Air that was introduced in 2008; that's longer than the lifetime of the iPad!
Evolving UI's to better accommodate touch doesn't have to come at the expense of usability with a mouse and keyboard shortcuts. There are plenty of ways to accommodate both.
I think I'm right about this trend on Apple's part. (In a more general sense, Not specifically about Logic. I'm not a believer that Logic as it is will come to iOS.) But we'll see.
I don't disagree with the general principle of your statement, but I think that there are actual limits to how much "better for touch" you can make a UI that was primarily designed for mouse-and-keyboard before it starts to become noticeably worse for mouse-and-keyboard, and I don't think that limit overlaps meaningfully with the design space where you'd be happy to use an interface on a touch-primary device like the iPad. As you say, we'll see. My only real interaction with macOS at this point is to run iTunes and Safari, so my needs will probably be met regardless.![;) ;)](https://forum.loopypro.com/resources/emoji/wink.png)
i find this craving for logic (one of the most old school daws) a bit sad when you have some of the most forward thinking music applications available on ios. we don’t need logic, we need these new tool to grow and evolve.
Most of the existing DAWs on iOS follow a similar paradigm to Logic though, so it’s possible that Logic could also grow on the platform, or potentially outstrip its competitors.
I do agree that something more recently created, like Ableton Live, would be more welcome on my iPad.
I think part of the interest in Logic is that Apple should be able to actually support AUs more fully/properly etc. (along with other concerns) unlike 3rd party devs who apparently have to struggle with crappy documentation and shifting hardware and OS issues etc.
Two areas I know they’re planning on entering involve AR (augmented reality) glasses and a car (transportation system) they’ve been pouring billions into. The AR glasses could be the big one that will really move the needle. It’s not entirely clear what is the extent of their plans for transportation.
I hope they get a little better at OS updates before then.![:D :D](https://forum.loopypro.com/resources/emoji/lol.png)
Gonna be pissed when they decide it no longer needs doors.
Is this the origin of the robot uprising when Apple products decide they no longer need users?
Sk-iNet becomes self-aware...
No R gear, if you miss an exit you’re f*cked![:) :)](https://forum.loopypro.com/resources/emoji/smile.png)
No offense but have you ever used Logic for a bigger project? I never was one of those "this is not pro enough for me" blokes but when you use software that is so stripped down that you need a new app for every task you quickly lose the momentum.
Logic combines many areas of expertise in one app. The stock of instruments and sounds it comes with is amazing, all the audio and midi tools, workflow tools, the mixer etc etc
It would be a waste to not port some version of it over to iOS. May it be a version with half of everything it still will be incredible.
They’ll need transportation to get people to hospital after they’ve fallen over wandering around with the AR glasses on 😁
👏👏👏
Obviously, we will still have fanboys on social media explaining why we were all wrong to use doors in the first place.
The M1 MacBook Air is fanless with an M1 in, and the rumoured A14Z is apparently just an M1 with lower tpd.
The iPad Pro is 5.9mm thick. The Air is 1.61cm think at the point of the processor. The Air has a passive heat spreader that wouldn't fit in an iPad and would spread too much heat to the case of an iPad to be comfortable to hold. The screen, also a heat generator, is separated from the case in the Air. The thermal design situation in an Air is much easier than an iPad.
The battery in the Air is about 50 watt hour. The iPad Pro is about 30. So, the iPad is more constrained here too.
Look at the reports of the differences between the MacBook Air and the M1 Mini. The Air is thermally constrained and can't stay at full power where the Mini can. Pushing that into the much more constrained iPad is going to be much harder.
The A14 and the M1 have a lot of similarities. They also have a lot of differences. The M1 has a lot of similarities to the Fujitsu A64FX, but you aren't going to put an A64FX into a MacBook. By the time the Mac Pro turns up, I suspect that the M-whatever will have a lot more in common with the A64FX and they will be able to stuff that (or a couple of them) into a Mac Pro.
Yep, MS is genius at getting their army of IT specialists to shove whatever crap they produce onto workers all over the world. But, it makes sense a lot of the time (just not in the case of the Surface) because this is where the MS ecosystem has its strengths.
It's too bad that MS isn't really focused on making things more usable by creatives because their giant Surface iMacish thing is really pretty cool and would be great as a music making device.
BTW, I am actually hoping that they do put a processor in the new iPad that is essentially an M1. I'd gladly take a lower clocked M1 with less memory. The main thing I want on the new Pro, Thunderbolt, is supported by the M1.
I'd also gladly take a new "pro" DAW on the iPad. I just don't want it to be Logic or Logic lite. I'd much rather have a couple of features added to AUM.
I’m not even a Logic user and I’d be excited to see it come to iOS. Not because I would use it (I probably wouldn’t honestly), but for what it would mean for the platform in general. Maybe it would draw in more big players like Ableton or Bitwig. It would definitely signal a bigger commitment to music production from Apple.
But, not holding my breath. For all intents and purposes they’ve already released ‘Logic for ipad’. It’s called GarageBand.
The person I know who uses one bought it because he wanted a conventional DAW for traveling, and couldn’t install one on an iPad. However, he did say he would freeze a lot of tracks because of performance on the Surface once the tracks started stacking up.
Few things that are essential and i can NOT do in ios Garageband:
-Track stacks
-Proper mixing with an actual mixer
-Master bus
-Multi output for drums and apply effects individually and then group the whole thing and apply effects then save with project
-Apply a certain ’groove’ just to a few midi notes on a track
The list can go on....all essential to finish a project professionally without workflow killers and workarounds.
100% this ^^^^
But, I wouldn’t be waiting around for Apple to make it happen. Apple nowadays is an iphone company that just happens to dabble in computers. Tablets are a fraction of their business. I’d love a full scale DAW (be it Logic or whatever), but with the inherent limitations of iOS and the low price point of ‘apps’, I don’t see it happening. The few choices we have now are OK, but are all lacking in one respect or another. TBH, I’ve given up on that quest and just use iOS as a groovebox/sound module/production device. Which I am very happy with for those uses.
But when I need to ACTUALLY get work done on a commercial project for a client (remix, mixing, recording, etc)..... I have no choice but to use a desktop DAW. 😕
I think you’re agreeing with me here, I was just pointing out that Apple are already putting an M1 in a thermally constrained device.
Nope, what I'm saying is that compared to the iPad a MacBook Air has the heat capacity of an ocean of ice water. The design constraints of the iPad are much more difficult. The job that Apple has done to get an A12 and probably an A14 into an iPad is already amazing. My expectation is that the A14whatever they put in the iPad Pro will have a 2.4 configuration with about half the GPU that the M1 has. Since the little cores don't really count much on the DSP side of things, we are looking at about half the processing power of the MacBook Air before the additional thermal constraints.
My expectations are that the new iPad Pro will see an actual gain of less than 20% over the current generation. A 20% gain in a generation is actually incredible, so this is no small thing. But it isn't going to get the iPad anywhere near the level of the MacBook Air.
Logic isn't designed to run on the low end Macs. The expectation is that you are going to be running it on a high end MacBook Pro or the Mac Pro. Sure it runs well on lower level Macs, but asking for Apple to want to put Logic on an iPad isn't asking them to put a MacBook Air program onto an iPad. It's asking them to put a Mac Pro application onto an iPad.
Maybe not “Logic for iPad”... but how about “GarageBand Pro”?![;) ;)](https://forum.loopypro.com/resources/emoji/wink.png)
MainStage would be amazing on iOS.
Yeah. This would be really slick. Fits the UI of iPad well too.
Now that’s a great idea.
It would also do the GarageBand-like "gateway drug to MacOS Logic" thing. I can totally imagine Apple doing this.
This is exactly my point TBH. Apple will think they’re doing something special and release some half-baked “pro” app. Personally I can’t stand GarageBand.