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Weird
I am still looking for a comparison between FT and Audio Mastering. When FT was $20 this was pretty obvious that at ~half of the price AM won out the price/performance ratio. Now with the sale from $15 to $13, I need to revisit.
I can tell a couple of differences in the apps, first off FT is 70.5 Mb vs AM's 7.5 mb.
FT has more presets, AM has "open in".
FT has greater control of the dithering, AM has a fade in and out function.
FT has "double perscise" 64 bit processing, but I'm unsure of its value compared to AM's 32 bit floating point.
AM seems more efficient with system resource and no issues with "sluggishness" that I've read some we're having with FT.
Is there anything I'm missing? Anyone own a copy of both, why?
@Crabman said:
Weird must be feeling those who got it at full price. I heard someone on this forum that PG often moves prices around so I stayed put ;-) I don't think it's gonna go any lower for some time though
@WMWM I guess best to keep both just in case
@WMWM: I have only AM yet and though i like it so far but it really lacks a second EQ or at least more than 5 bands.And i really dislike that the EQ is only +/- 6 db.The EQ is definitely not flexible enough for my taste (at least the EQ got low/hi shelf with the latest update,ridiculous that it wasn't included right from the beginning.In a Mastering EQ mind you!),I also think the interface is somewhat confusing.But i bought it while it was on sale so at the end there isn't much to complain for 5 bucks.And the dev is constantly updating it.At least i have a usable (pre)mastering tool now to put it on the masterbus of cubasis.Although it's quite possible that i'll grab final touch now.
Good points, I am like you, I like Audio Mastering and bought it on sale, supreme value. It actually reads 6 bd but the top/bottom line represent 8 bd, I rarely use more than 3 db though. As far as a second eq, I've have been processing the file and reopening it and processing it with just eq. I like the looks of Final Touch and it seems to be a robust option, but I've always been function over form. Putting Audio Mastering on master bus, awesome, I guess I never thought of that.
@supadom , it may boil down to that for me.
If you need more than 6db on a mastering eq and you're mastering your own music , address the issue again in your mix, it will work much better. In fact, a good mastering engineer should tell you the same- that they have to do too much so bring it back to them when you fix it(friendlier than it sounds. I promise!).
On the subject of dB changes...
http://www.sengpielaudio.com/calculator-levelchange.htm
@mrufino1 said:
That's a valid point of course but i'll give you a simple example:steep low cut below 30-50HZ.For this purpose i need usually more than 6db.I also have a lot of older songs,that i don't have access to the single tracks anymore etc.
And it doesn't excuse the absence of more than 6db if ANY other EQ is able to do so.
@crabman the button in the bottom left of AM's eq section is shelving, you get a drastic cut below that frequency. Please let me know your thoughts if you decide to jump on FT.
@PaulB thanks for the link, i love calculators.
Eq info http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/jul01/articles/equalisers1.asp
@WMWM said:
Yes,i know.But as i said it's new to the game.It came with the last update (2-3 weeks ago).But still,i prefer to have more conrol over the curve.The transition is too smooth for my taste.
Mastering EQs often have much less range than general purpose of tracking EQs. Pretty rare you need more than a couple dBs boost or cut in mastering, so the focus is given on making a more limited gain range sound good.
@crabman I guess your right, some kind of slope control would be nice. Anybody know if this available in FT?
@Tarekith: so it seems i'm too spoiled from something like Pro-Q
for the record:it seems (from the pictures,the manual is quite here) the FT eq's have +/- 18 db.And the thread was about to compare both,not what somebody need or don't.I still would like to decide myself.
But no offense meant,i always like to read tips or explanations from people who have a bigger knowledge (in mastering) than i have.
18 in such a small area, how much finesse can there be?
Edit: that must be 9 to 9, in which case only +1 vs AM's 8 to 8.?
the graph on the the eq picture shows +/- 18db so i would assume you can reach this points with the gain slider/knob.Maybe a FT owner can elighten us?
Bought it,love it so far but couldn't test long now.EQ is -/+ 18db and way more flexible with up to eight bands,each of them with 5 different filter and adjustable curve.
edit:they really need to add an"open in"function.And maybe i'm dumb but can Audiocopy 2 not handle 24bit files??That would mean i can not open my songs (from audioshare) in FT until i use another way like dropbox (slow)but what if there's no internet connection?Bummer.
Yes to that, I said that during the beta period, as well as editing and fades. I believe it's all planned. And you are correct, no 24 bit in audio copy.
Is there a support forum or something for feedback?An option to make the waveform screen invisible (and use the space for a bigger interface then) when using as a"plugin"in AB or Cubasis etc.would be great as well.
Thanks @crabman for the info. I was wondering about that. I guess ifunbox could be a tethered workaround.
Wait, general copy/paste does 24 bit right? I know Retronyms Audiocopy only does 16 so that sux. But am I wrong about general paste board?
I had no success trying to paste in any 24 bit file. I rarely use any copy and paste on iOS though, so maybe I missed something. I would like at least the ability to go to and from audio share if not directly from auria.
So then "open in" maintains the 24 bit? I guess this question should be its own thread.
@WMWM I've got a comparison for you. I have been a user and huge fan of Audio Mastering since I got it the day it came out. (I love Master FX too!) I always use AM for every song I do and it is a big improvement on anything I record. That said, I just bought Final Touch after watching Doug's video (per tradition) and set up a test. I just finished mixing a song on Auria and put it on Soundcloud mixed to what I thought sounded good on AM. I took the same mix and ran it through what I thought sounded good on FT and put it on Soundcloud too. I listen to both and I have to say Final Touch kicks Audio Mastering's butt! I'm very sad to admit that because I have been such a hardcore AM fan, but it's true. Bear in mind I don't have enough Mastering savvy to actually tweak around with things before I destroy my mixes, I try to control myself by using presets. That's what I did in both apps. The difference was enough that now I am trying to deal with having one of my all-time favorite super apps get whipped by this new one...
@Mythmongrel said:
Yes. Apple sandboxes apps, so that if one app gets corrupted it doesn't take down the whole system. It means apps can't share files. So essentially you're copying and pasting the file to the new app, just a file transfer. Audio copy must be doing things differently. When you use open in you'll have copies of the file in both apps.
I am in the middle of fixing a friends windows machine I built for him a few years ago , and although apple makes you jump through some hoops, at least it all works...it makes you appreciate the user friendliness (at the loss of some control). That being said, final touch needs open in ! As I said, I believe it is coming.
My appoholic dark side convinced me to buy FT due to the second price drop.
I tested it yesterday. I finished a song in gadget, which sounded ok. I knew it needed additional mixing in Auria, but I decided to test it with FT. After playing a bit with the presets and very minor tweaks the result was amazing. Toggling FT on and off the difference was huge. Stereo depth and clear sound separation yet still mixed together.
I'm eager to test it on my old songs, where I don't have the source anymore.
Good to hear this! I got it yesterday but never managed the side by side test. Nice one @WMWM
@Mythmongrel said:
Yes it does.I copy my cubasis songs (24bit)this way to Audioshare.I tried dropbox yesterday but it took almost an hour just to upload the track.That is not a practical solution but the only way i can open a 24bit file in FT without using a computer.That is definitely a no go,how could they"forget"such an important function like"open in"?So in case of file handling AM is stil ahead.But yes,playing arround with the (massive amount of)presets alone gave me great results on my first test and it has a brilliant easy layout.I did not test IAA nor AB functionality yet.
I am huge fan of AM who is tempted to buy FT. In AM I only use basic mode, advanced mode looks too complicated for me. AM for me is really a great app, within only a few minutes you get a much better sound.
The way FT looks is great - I wouldn't be surprised if more than 50% of the costs goes to (cosmetic) designers - but I am more interested in functionality. One thing I am missing in AM is a volume slider, it is only the volume knob on my iPad I can use, which is too rude for me.
To be more precise: I miss a volume slider which has no effect on the mix, but only has the purpose of setting the volume while you are working with the app.
So my question is: does FT has a volume slider?
@NoiseHorse , TRAITOR...just kidding, thanks for the honest comparison. I don't think Audio Mastering activates the MB compressor when using presets, FT does? The presets getting you close to minimize the tweaking is big, I have a tendency when mastering my own work to fry it ( sizzzle ). I have recently bought a couple books on Mastering and on Mixing properly. According to sources, you shouldn't have to do a lot in the mastering stage if mixed properly, critical small adjustments. I have decided to stick with Audio Mastering ( champion the little gie ) and work on my mixing ability. No doubt FT is great as I respect your option. It is a good idea to have someone else master you work, fresh ears, fresh perspective. The monitoring chain is critical as well. There are some real pro's around my area that I am friendly with but they do it for a living (money), I make music for fun (free). The two don't mix well. I am looking for others who would like to exchange works to master for each other.
BTW I have Ozone on Desktop but I am now on the road traveling cross country homeward, portable options are fantastic for that reason.
1's and 0's are 1's and 0's.
@WMWM I know I'm a traitor, and I now live in shame! :-( I am just like you, sizzling my songs in a bad way when I master them on my own. I tend to stick to presets to keep me within somebody else's idea of reasonable, which is what I'm shooting for when I master something anyway. However, after I went though the many presets available in FT, I began tweaking knobs and flipping switches. I accidentally found out FT is very intuitive and when it sounded good to my tweaking, it actually DID sound good when it was all done. Which I can't pull off as well for some reason with Auria's mastering stuff. Look, if you want to compare real easy, go to Soundcloud, look up NoiseHorse, and you'll see the two mixes of the same song. The first is called "Truck full of Puppies" which is Audio Mastering. The second is the "Flea Dipped" version, which is Final Touch. Decide for yourself (and excuse the bad singing!)
-If you want the best mastering advice on them web, consult @Takrekith, he has written some textbook how-to's on his site and obviously does a stellar job if you listen to any of his songs.