One App Workflow

muzka

@tahiche said:

@muzka said:
Zenbeats would be a good choice for me. Mostly because of the huge range of sounds available in the store for their ZC1 synth, sampler and other plugins. This cobvers everything from classic synths to live sounds and drums. Then you have all the basics covered with fx plus clip launcher and traditional daw style for song creation. Can add samples etc

Only issue is it crashes for me a lot

+1. I find Zenbeats to be the fastest route to get an idea going. Clip mode is a must for me lately.
When a proper audio clip looper/launcher comes out (Loopy Pro) I’d probably stick with AUM, even faster and better routing (aux groups and such).

I’m the same, drambo is working on a clip launcher though not sure if its midi clips or audio clips. If its both that will be great

reasOne

If i had to do everything in one host app, id probably go with bm3.
Reason: it’s very strait forward to get jams going with either samples or audio units. It has pattern launching, auv3 state saving, midi editing, midi fx routing, audio tracks, lots of play options on the 16 pads, scales, timeline arranging, great sampling and editing features, iaa support, access to multiple audio effects in one screen, great mixer... the list goes on.

But since i like the modular approach of iOS i open other hosts often and jam around. Everything can be finalized in bm3 but it dosent always start there or even get arranged in bm3.

Stuntman_mike

@tahiche said:

@muzka said:
Zenbeats would be a good choice for me. Mostly because of the huge range of sounds available in the store for their ZC1 synth, sampler and other plugins. This cobvers everything from classic synths to live sounds and drums. Then you have all the basics covered with fx plus clip launcher and traditional daw style for song creation. Can add samples etc

Only issue is it crashes for me a lot

+1. I find Zenbeats to be the fastest route to get an idea going. Clip mode is a must for me lately.
When a proper audio clip looper/launcher comes out (Loopy Pro) I’d probably stick with AUM, even faster and better routing (aux groups and such).

I’m excited about Loopy Pro! I look forward to using my Midi Fighter 3D with it...

Stuntman_mike

@jblock said:
I could easily live with just Cubasis or Zenbeats. I’ve always done better with a minimal setup even in my hardware-only days. I made a few albums just using a Roland Fantom and before that an XP-50, just using the internal sequencers. Although for my first album, the label owner wanted the sound palette expanded so loaned me some gear to do that. I could just never wrap my head around more than one main synth and maybe a module. It’s the same with iPad apps although I have a bunch because they can be so inexpensive.

Good point. The price of these apps is unbelievable when you consider what you are getting. Model D is what, less than $30 and gives you that Minimoog grit! Steve Jobs changed the game with iOS. It’s nice to support the developers who share the same passion for music. You mention the word palette and this is a lot like painting, blending colors to create something new. I never realized how much I love sound design until I started buying synths and crazy effects.

jblock

@Stuntman_mike said:

Good point. The price of these apps is unbelievable when you consider what you are getting. Model D is what, less than $30 and gives you that Minimoog grit! Steve Jobs changed the game with iOS. It’s nice to support the developers who share the same passion for music. You mention the word palette and this is a lot like painting, blending colors to create something new. I never realized how much I love sound design until I started buying synths and crazy effects.

I hear you regarding sound design. I can spend hours doing that, but all the hoops we have to jump through to route apps and sometimes hardware together I have no patience for. I had a Launchpad X and even after just having to spend 10 minutes setting it up to work with a synth was 10 minutes too much for me.

Stuntman_mike

@jblock said:

@Stuntman_mike said:

Good point. The price of these apps is unbelievable when you consider what you are getting. Model D is what, less than $30 and gives you that Minimoog grit! Steve Jobs changed the game with iOS. It’s nice to support the developers who share the same passion for music. You mention the word palette and this is a lot like painting, blending colors to create something new. I never realized how much I love sound design until I started buying synths and crazy effects.

I hear you regarding sound design. I can spend hours doing that, but all the hoops we have to jump through to route apps and sometimes hardware together I have no patience for. I had a Launchpad X and even after just having to spend 10 minutes setting it up to work with a synth was 10 minutes too much for me.

Great, great point about the X!!! Setup can be a creativity killer. It’s one of the many reasons I admire @blueveek work with Atom 2. I appreciate the template system he created. I love that I can plug my Launchpad in and Atom recognizes it immediately, no setup needed! I can get down to business making music. I wish AUM had a system like Atom 2 where it always recognizes my controller if transport controls are mapped, there always mapped unless I decide disable it.

Tamir_Raz_Mataz

@muzka said:

@tahiche said:

@muzka said:
Zenbeats would be a good choice for me. Mostly because of the huge range of sounds available in the store for their ZC1 synth, sampler and other plugins. This cobvers everything from classic synths to live sounds and drums. Then you have all the basics covered with fx plus clip launcher and traditional daw style for song creation. Can add samples etc

Only issue is it crashes for me a lot

+1. I find Zenbeats to be the fastest route to get an idea going. Clip mode is a must for me lately.
When a proper audio clip looper/launcher comes out (Loopy Pro) I’d probably stick with AUM, even faster and better routing (aux groups and such).

I’m the same, drambo is working on a clip launcher though not sure if its midi clips or audio clips. If its both that will be great

I got told by the dev it’s audio clips

muzka

Excellent

Stuntman_mike

@Tamir_Raz_Mataz said:

@muzka said:

@tahiche said:

@muzka said:
Zenbeats would be a good choice for me. Mostly because of the huge range of sounds available in the store for their ZC1 synth, sampler and other plugins. This cobvers everything from classic synths to live sounds and drums. Then you have all the basics covered with fx plus clip launcher and traditional daw style for song creation. Can add samples etc

Only issue is it crashes for me a lot

+1. I find Zenbeats to be the fastest route to get an idea going. Clip mode is a must for me lately.
When a proper audio clip looper/launcher comes out (Loopy Pro) I’d probably stick with AUM, even faster and better routing (aux groups and such).

I’m the same, drambo is working on a clip launcher though not sure if its midi clips or audio clips. If its both that will be great

I got told by the dev it’s audio clips

Wow!!!

Stuntman_mike

@muzka said:
Excellent

Looks like one day I might go Drambo only just to see what happens!

Stuntman_mike

What will Drambo look like in ten years? Go!

Poppadocrock

@Stuntman_mike said:
With apps like BM3, Drambo, Flip, Gadget, Groove Rider, Koala, and NS2 it is possible to live musically inside one environment.

This is a homage to culture like hip hop that could create music with just an SP1200 or MPC.

Does anyone only use one app to make all their music or given thought to a one app workflow?

Please share your ideas.

In terms of a Host or DAW, my workflow has evolved somewhat organically over the last 4-5 years of making music on an iPad.

Beginning- Figure, GarageBand. AB2.
Middle- Gadget, IM2.
Middle 2- AB3, Cubasis 2.
Currently- AUM

That’s just my path to finding what I liked the best, my personal choice of workflow. I still go back and use all of those other apps, but as I learned more, I wanted the ability to do more, to try new techniques, and ideas. Ultimately to find the setup where I felt most creative and comfortable.

Stuntman_mike

@Poppadocrock said:

@Stuntman_mike said:
With apps like BM3, Drambo, Flip, Gadget, Groove Rider, Koala, and NS2 it is possible to live musically inside one environment.

This is a homage to culture like hip hop that could create music with just an SP1200 or MPC.

Does anyone only use one app to make all their music or given thought to a one app workflow?

Please share your ideas.

In terms of a Host or DAW, my workflow has evolved somewhat organically over the last 4-5 years of making music on an iPad.

Beginning- Figure, GarageBand. AB2.
Middle- Gadget, IM2.
Middle 2- AB3, Cubasis 2.
Currently- AUM

That’s just my path to finding what I liked the best, my personal choice of workflow. I still go back and use all of those other apps, but as I learned more, I wanted the ability to do more, to try new techniques, and ideas. Ultimately to find the setup where I felt most creative and comfortable.

Wow, subtractive workflow! What apps do use the most in AUM or are your recording acoustic and hardware instruments into it?

ChancedMusic

CB3 and NS2 have so much built in that you could definitely work exclusively in either one, even without IAPs. I’m sure the same could be said for GR-16.

If you have a sample-based workflow, Flip could get you pretty far on its own too.

And of course there’s Gadget 2 and Electribe Wave.

Poppadocrock

Sure it’s possible, but you are always going to have certain advantages and disadvantages based on the environment you choose work in. On a side note, It’s actually a great creative exercise to intentionally make yourself create with restrictions. So sometimes I’ll say, next track only in Koala, or whatever... just to mix things up.

db909

If I’m making ambient drone type music, I’ll just open up Animoog and use the 4 track.

Hard for me to choose one daw/groove box as it depends what mood I’m in. NS2 works sometimes, but I really don’t like the GUI of Obsidian and would prefer not to clog the works with a bunch of AUs. I do really love Electribe Wave and have finished many tracks in there. I guess I need to dive into Drambo and figure out which parts to ignore because every time I open it I spend over an hour creating like 2 instrument presets and no music gets made. Anyone else like this?

Stuntman_mike

@DukeWonder said:
CB3 and NS2 have so much built in that you could definitely work exclusively in either one, even without IAPs. I’m sure the same could be said for GR-16.

If you have a sample-based workflow, Flip could get you pretty far on its own too.

And of course there’s Gadget 2 and Electribe Wave.

I’m curious to see where Flip goes next...

Stuntman_mike

@Poppadocrock said:
Sure it’s possible, but you are always going to have certain advantages and disadvantages based on the environment you choose work in. On a side note, It’s actually a great creative exercise to intentionally make yourself create with restrictions. So sometimes I’ll say, next track only in Koala, or whatever... just to mix things up.

Good idea!

Stuntman_mike

@db909 said:
If I’m making ambient drone type music, I’ll just open up Animoog and use the 4 track.

Hard for me to choose one daw/groove box as it depends what mood I’m in. NS2 works sometimes, but I really don’t like the GUI of Obsidian and would prefer not to clog the works with a bunch of AUs. I do really love Electribe Wave and have finished many tracks in there. I guess I need to dive into Drambo and figure out which parts to ignore because every time I open it I spend over an hour creating like 2 instrument presets and no music gets made. Anyone else like this?

Cool idea with Animoog! I’m the opposite with Drambo... I tend to make stuff and do less fiddling. I’m pretty productive in there. I just need proper stem export.

ChancedMusic

@Stuntman_mike said:

@DukeWonder said:
CB3 and NS2 have so much built in that you could definitely work exclusively in either one, even without IAPs. I’m sure the same could be said for GR-16.

If you have a sample-based workflow, Flip could get you pretty far on its own too.

And of course there’s Gadget 2 and Electribe Wave.

I’m curious to see where Flip goes next...

I’m still waiting on time stretching.

ecamburn

@Stuntman_mike said:

@dendy said:

@Stuntman_mike said:
With apps like BM3, Drambo, Flip, Gadget, Groove Rider, Koala, and NS2 it is possible to live musically inside one environment.

This is a homage to culture like hip hop that could create music with just an SP1200 or MPC.

Does anyone only use one app to make all their music or given thought to a one app workflow?

Please share your ideas.

since previous year autumn i'm hardware only (digitakt+digitone), before that all my music was made in NS2. With few exceptions i even didn't used any AU plugins, just NS2 bundled stuff. It just covers all my needs, i need one unified UI to be creative, switching between different apps, spending all the time by solving puzzles about proper routing of midi and audio between apps just kills my creativity... Tried various approaches but no matter what i try, i always end back in NS. I'm pretty sure, when i suck all available inspiration from Digitakt/Digitone, i will return back to NS again :-)

I totally get it. I looked into the Elektron workflow. They only thing that stopped me from trying it was cash flow 😂. NS2 is truly the most stable music app on iOS. Not only that, I find the UI/UX easy and inspiring. My only gripe is the lack of MIDI learn for transport controls. I like to be able to trigger play and record from my MIDI controllers and foot pedal so I can jam.

Count me in the NS2 camp for all stated reasons - stability, usability, fast workflow. I too find it inspiring. When I'm in the mood to dink around in a modular environment, I do that in AUM. But if I want to actually use AUM doodles in a song, they get rendered to audio which are loaded on Slate pads which is used as a sample/clip launcher. If I want to go beyond the ipad, NS2 stems are brought into Ableton and further mangled.

Poppadocrock

@Stuntman_mike said:

@Poppadocrock said:

@Stuntman_mike said:
With apps like BM3, Drambo, Flip, Gadget, Groove Rider, Koala, and NS2 it is possible to live musically inside one environment.

This is a homage to culture like hip hop that could create music with just an SP1200 or MPC.

Does anyone only use one app to make all their music or given thought to a one app workflow?

Please share your ideas.

In terms of a Host or DAW, my workflow has evolved somewhat organically over the last 4-5 years of making music on an iPad.

Beginning- Figure, GarageBand. AB2.
Middle- Gadget, IM2.
Middle 2- AB3, Cubasis 2.
Currently- AUM

That’s just my path to finding what I liked the best, my personal choice of workflow. I still go back and use all of those other apps, but as I learned more, I wanted the ability to do more, to try new techniques, and ideas. Ultimately to find the setup where I felt most creative and comfortable.

Wow, subtractive workflow! What apps do use the most in AUM or are your recording acoustic and hardware instruments into it?

I mostly use AU apps on my iPad but I also use a couple midi controllers, Korg NanoKey studio, 49 key presonus keyboard, as well as acoustic guitar, electric guitar, mic, voice, and miscellaneous percussion instruments. I don’t have any hardware synths yet. In terms of apps I use a lot of them on regular basis since that’s kind of how I see AUM, I just use the pieces I need instead of having everything under one roof. Usually start with a template I have many saved, and setup, but not always. Typically my session has AUM, MidiMixer, and 4 instances of Atom, now Atom 2, a few Mozaic’s and then whatever synths, drum machines, samplers, etc I think will get me where I need to go, or want to go... I recently did the 9 app “challenge” thread so I posted a list of some of most used apps there. Also I started on an iPhone for two years then realized I need an iPad if I want to take this to the next level so about three years ago I got one. I’ve played guitar/Bass/sung in bands in high school and college, but was never formally trained. So I’ve only been using synths and drum machines for about 5 years. I did have a Boss DR-8 - 8 track digital recorder awhile back, with built in drum machine, and dabbled with some PC stuff, but it never really clicked for me on PC. Between learning software, installs, setups, etc. seemed to be cumbersome and honesty I never gave it the proper time. Then I began diving in with Apple Devices, starting small and easy and learning more as I went along, eventually finding my favorite way to work.

Stuntman_mike

@DukeWonder said:

@Stuntman_mike said:

@DukeWonder said:
CB3 and NS2 have so much built in that you could definitely work exclusively in either one, even without IAPs. I’m sure the same could be said for GR-16.

If you have a sample-based workflow, Flip could get you pretty far on its own too.

And of course there’s Gadget 2 and Electribe Wave.

I’m curious to see where Flip goes next...

I’m still waiting on time stretching.

Ah yes...

Stuntman_mike

@ecamburn said:

@Stuntman_mike said:

@dendy said:

@Stuntman_mike said:
With apps like BM3, Drambo, Flip, Gadget, Groove Rider, Koala, and NS2 it is possible to live musically inside one environment.

This is a homage to culture like hip hop that could create music with just an SP1200 or MPC.

Does anyone only use one app to make all their music or given thought to a one app workflow?

Please share your ideas.

since previous year autumn i'm hardware only (digitakt+digitone), before that all my music was made in NS2. With few exceptions i even didn't used any AU plugins, just NS2 bundled stuff. It just covers all my needs, i need one unified UI to be creative, switching between different apps, spending all the time by solving puzzles about proper routing of midi and audio between apps just kills my creativity... Tried various approaches but no matter what i try, i always end back in NS. I'm pretty sure, when i suck all available inspiration from Digitakt/Digitone, i will return back to NS again :-)

I totally get it. I looked into the Elektron workflow. They only thing that stopped me from trying it was cash flow 😂. NS2 is truly the most stable music app on iOS. Not only that, I find the UI/UX easy and inspiring. My only gripe is the lack of MIDI learn for transport controls. I like to be able to trigger play and record from my MIDI controllers and foot pedal so I can jam.

Count me in the NS2 camp for all stated reasons - stability, usability, fast workflow. I too find it inspiring. When I'm in the mood to dink around in a modular environment, I do that in AUM. But if I want to actually use AUM doodles in a song, they get rendered to audio which are loaded on Slate pads which is used as a sample/clip launcher. If I want to go beyond the ipad, NS2 stems are brought into Ableton and further mangled.

Ahhh, gotcha!

tahiche

@Tamir_Raz_Mataz said:

@muzka said:

@tahiche said:

@muzka said:
Zenbeats would be a good choice for me. Mostly because of the huge range of sounds available in the store for their ZC1 synth, sampler and other plugins. This cobvers everything from classic synths to live sounds and drums. Then you have all the basics covered with fx plus clip launcher and traditional daw style for song creation. Can add samples etc

Only issue is it crashes for me a lot

+1. I find Zenbeats to be the fastest route to get an idea going. Clip mode is a must for me lately.
When a proper audio clip looper/launcher comes out (Loopy Pro) I’d probably stick with AUM, even faster and better routing (aux groups and such).

I’m the same, drambo is working on a clip launcher though not sure if its midi clips or audio clips. If its both that will be great

I got told by the dev it’s audio clips

Yes!. Do you have any idea of what it’ll be like?. And when it’s due?

wawelt

@tahiche said:

@Tamir_Raz_Mataz said:

@muzka said:

@tahiche said:

@muzka said:
Zenbeats would be a good choice for me. Mostly because of the huge range of sounds available in the store for their ZC1 synth, sampler and other plugins. This cobvers everything from classic synths to live sounds and drums. Then you have all the basics covered with fx plus clip launcher and traditional daw style for song creation. Can add samples etc

Only issue is it crashes for me a lot

+1. I find Zenbeats to be the fastest route to get an idea going. Clip mode is a must for me lately.
When a proper audio clip looper/launcher comes out (Loopy Pro) I’d probably stick with AUM, even faster and better routing (aux groups and such).

I’m the same, drambo is working on a clip launcher though not sure if its midi clips or audio clips. If its both that will be great

I got told by the dev it’s audio clips

Yes!. Do you have any idea of what it’ll be like?. And when it’s due?

Let me guess... probably “coming soon” Couldn’t help myself.

Stuntman_mike

@Poppadocrock said:

@Stuntman_mike said:

@Poppadocrock said:

@Stuntman_mike said:
With apps like BM3, Drambo, Flip, Gadget, Groove Rider, Koala, and NS2 it is possible to live musically inside one environment.

This is a homage to culture like hip hop that could create music with just an SP1200 or MPC.

Does anyone only use one app to make all their music or given thought to a one app workflow?

Please share your ideas.

In terms of a Host or DAW, my workflow has evolved somewhat organically over the last 4-5 years of making music on an iPad.

Beginning- Figure, GarageBand. AB2.
Middle- Gadget, IM2.
Middle 2- AB3, Cubasis 2.
Currently- AUM

That’s just my path to finding what I liked the best, my personal choice of workflow. I still go back and use all of those other apps, but as I learned more, I wanted the ability to do more, to try new techniques, and ideas. Ultimately to find the setup where I felt most creative and comfortable.

Wow, subtractive workflow! What apps do use the most in AUM or are your recording acoustic and hardware instruments into it?

I mostly use AU apps on my iPad but I also use a couple midi controllers, Korg NanoKey studio, 49 key presonus keyboard, as well as acoustic guitar, electric guitar, mic, voice, and miscellaneous percussion instruments. I don’t have any hardware synths yet. In terms of apps I use a lot of them on regular basis since that’s kind of how I see AUM, I just use the pieces I need instead of having everything under one roof. Usually start with a template I have many saved, and setup, but not always. Typically my session has AUM, MidiMixer, and 4 instances of Atom, now Atom 2, a few Mozaic’s and then whatever synths, drum machines, samplers, etc I think will get me where I need to go, or want to go... I recently did the 9 app “challenge” thread so I posted a list of some of most used apps there. Also I started on an iPhone for two years then realized I need an iPad if I want to take this to the next level so about three years ago I got one. I’ve played guitar/Bass/sung in bands in high school and college, but was never formally trained. So I’ve only been using synths and drum machines for about 5 years. I did have a Boss DR-8 - 8 track digital recorder awhile back, with built in drum machine, and dabbled with some PC stuff, but it never really clicked for me on PC. Between learning software, installs, setups, etc. seemed to be cumbersome and honesty I never gave it the proper time. Then I began diving in with Apple Devices, starting small and easy and learning more as I went along, eventually finding my favorite way to work.

You’ve been on a journey! I remember having a cheapy midi controller, Midisport cable, and Fruity Loops. Humble beginnings...

oat_phipps

@Stuntman_mike said:

@oat_phipps said:
Hell no. Everything in moderation is still the key to life. No reason to limit yourself or a song just to prove a point to yourself (or others). Many did that because hardware isn't cheap and iPads and laptops weren't around. And the ones who did/do it by choice only felt the need to prove something to themselves (or others). If you have to limit yourself to get something with no timeline done (such as a song/album, not talking about real world time restraints at work & the like), then you have a self-discipline deficiency. And I don't think that self-imposed constraints are the best way to improve that deficiency.

I feel what you’re saying! Is there one app that you have “deep dived” to really understand its in’s and out’s?

Yes. SunVox, which I absolutely love to play with still but never produce any final tracks with. I admire it as a true work of art coding-wise, beauty-wise for its simplicity, and DSP sound-engine wise. It sounds great. It's quite capable, but the reason I've never produced full tracks with it is there's always a few elements that I need from somewhere else to get the song like I envision it. Or there is a quicker app to use to do what I need.

Korg Electribe Wave, Vogel CMI-These were the two I experimented with heavily to try to do the one-source song. The attempts lead me to learn the lesson stated above. The first was out of impulse buy curiosity, the latter was out of nostalgic feelings and to get an idea of just how long it took people in the 80s to program a song with the Fairlight. Man, I wish I still had a couple of the tracks I made with the Vogel. Labor of love.

A handful of synths I have expert handle on but maybe not mastery over (Moogs, mood, Zeeon, iVCS 3, ARP Odyssey, and Continua).

Most importantly, DAW-control of Cubasis and Auria.

Probably tmi, but as I typed I started taking stock of all i've purchased but not even touched more than once or twice and began rambling to myself about what I haven't wasted money on. Sorry not to be more terse.

supadom

@reasOne said:
If i had to do everything in one host app, id probably go with bm3.
Reason: it’s very strait forward to get jams going with either samples or audio units. It has pattern launching, auv3 state saving, midi editing, midi fx routing, audio tracks, lots of play options on the 16 pads, scales, timeline arranging, great sampling and editing features, iaa support, access to multiple audio effects in one screen, great mixer... the list goes on.

Interesting, I finished many tracks in BM2 but my brain froze with 3. I’m drawn but now with Drambo and loopy pro around the corner I feel my corners might be covered.

oat_phipps

@supadom said:

@reasOne said:
If i had to do everything in one host app, id probably go with bm3.
Reason: it’s very strait forward to get jams going with either samples or audio units. It has pattern launching, auv3 state saving, midi editing, midi fx routing, audio tracks, lots of play options on the 16 pads, scales, timeline arranging, great sampling and editing features, iaa support, access to multiple audio effects in one screen, great mixer... the list goes on.

Interesting, I finished many tracks in BM2 but my brain froze with 3. I’m drawn but now with Drambo and loopy pro around the corner I feel my corners might be covered.

Re: Loopy pro: You must've been pulling out of the driveway as you typed that